Restoring Traders/Investors Faith into Investing

Einstein

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There is a higher probability of Covariance existence between whole IT sector and Other Indexes if rupees stays above 60 mark (based on last 6 months data) . Since Mutual funds have very high exposure in IT, probability of deep correction is very low.

BUT this covariance can lead to a bubble in IT sectors, but it depends on rupee and september now. wait and watch.
 
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praveen taneja

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There is a higher probability of Covariance existence between whole IT sector and Other Indexes if rupees stays above 60 mark (based on last 6 months data) . Since Mutual funds have very high exposure in IT, probability of deep correction is very low.

BUT this covariance can lead to a bubble in IT sectors, but it depends on rupee and september now. wait and watch.
MF have a policy and cannot invest more then a fix percentage in IT only sectorial MF can invest more in themotherwise most have to invest equally in growth debt small midcap etc depending on brain of fund manager:)
 

Einstein

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you mean diversification?? they buy whats going up, its the main policies they has adapted.
 

Einstein

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A true story most have not heard about yale investers.

in 1979 it was a re-union of class of 1954 of yale universities, a group of 50 man now working as managers and investors meet on their 25th class reunion and and someone got a crazy idea he said, lets have some money and invest it, and on our 50th reunion we shall give the returns to Yale, That class of 1954 collected around 375000$ (like a house, no big deal for them). and give it to an average performing investment manager and they actually said to him herehave fun and go invest it anywhere you like, it doesn't matter even if the risk is high we just want the maximum profit possible.

after 25 years, on their 50th reunion (that was 2004) that class of 1954 gave 90 Million $ to yale university. that manager was Joe McNay.

This is why an Investor should not get influence by the market trend, bull/bear IT/bank these all are noises which should be ignored.

Add: that was total gain of 23900%, Cagr of 23% per annum.
 
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Einstein

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"I just wanted to reiterate a little bit about the intuition of Efficient Markets. The idea is that if you trade securities, the advantage to being there a little bit ahead of anyone else is enormous. If you know five minutes before the other investors about some good news or bad news, either way it doesn't matter--you know it five minutes earlier, you jump right in and trade. You trade ahead of them and prices haven't changed yet, you make money. So, that has created an industry that speeds information.

The first such industry that I would tell you about is Reuters. Mr. Reuters, I think in the 1840s before the telegraph, created a financial information service using carrier pigeons. You know, these are birds. And so, when he was in London with some information, they had carrier pigeons that were brought from Paris, and as soon as new information came out, they would tie it to the foot of the little bird and they'd let it go, and it would fly to Paris. It would go to its roosting place, the message would be read, and subscribers would be notified. And that was no joke, that really worked, because you would have information hours or even days before everyone else in Paris. So, you could make a killing. So, Reuters today, it's now called Thomson Reuters, is still in that business. The carrier pigeons were a brilliant idea. But they had to keep up with the times, because, shortly thereafter, telegraph was invented and pigeons no longer were the leading technology. But maybe that was the beginning of the information age, with pigeons."
 

Einstein

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applied quant analysis on one of my portfolio(test purpose) and failed pretty badly.!! :(
 

Einstein

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It was a mathematical pursuit of getting the most optimum portfolio return in theory. It is available to most of the MBAa and CFAs and ofcourse, the theory is controversial, if it was correct, then most MBA and CFA would have been billionaire by now, things to add here is that most hedge funds around the worlds have billions of dollar invested on these thesis.

below is the text from papers of prof. Shiller from yale.

So, all I have to do is fool people into thinking I have a high Sharpe ratio for a while. So, what do I do? Well, there's an interesting paper on this by--there's a lot of papers on this, but I'm going to cite one--by Professor Goetzmann and co-authors. It's actually Goetzmann, Ibbotson, Spiegel, and Welch. Maybe I'll put all their names on. Roger Ibbotson is a professor here, Matt Spiegel, and Ivo Welch.

What they did is they calculated the optimal strategy for someone who wants to play games with a Sharpe ratio. So, you want to fool investors and get a spuriously high Sharpe ratio. And they found out what the optimal strategy is. And that is to sell off the tails of your distribution of returns. So, if your return distribution looks like this--this is return, OK? And you have a probability distribution; say a bell-shaped curve, OK? And so the mean and standard deviation of this would be the inputs to the Sharpe ratio. But if you're cynical and you want to play tricks, what you can do is sell the upper tail. These are very unlikely good events. Sell them and get money now, and then double up on the lower tail. So, you push the lower tail to something like that, and you wipe out the upper tail, so it goes like that, all right? So, that means you'll get money, because you sold the upper tail. You would do that by selling calls--we haven't talked about options yet--but you can do it by selling out-of-the-money calls. And you would do this by writing out-of-the-money puts.

OK, but what you do it you make it, so that if there's really a bad year, it's going to be a doozer bad year for your investors. And if there's ever a good year, then, hey, you won't get it. But these good or bad years occur only infrequently. So, in the meantime, you're making profits from these sales and you have a high Sharpe ratio. But little do they know that you sold off the tails. And so, nothing happens for many years and you just look like the best guy there. So, it turns out that this is not just academic. There was a company called Integral Investment Management that did something like this strategy. It was a hedge fund. So, it was Integral Investment Management. It did something like this, by trading in options. And, it got lots of investors to put millions in them.

Notably, the Art Institute of Chicago put $43 million into this fund and its associated funds. And then, in 2001, when the market dropped a lot, Art Institute of Chicago was wiped out. They lost almost all of their $43 million. And so, they got really angry, and they sued this company. Because they said, you didn't tell us. What have you been doing? And then, the company pointed out, in its defense, that it actually said somewhere in the fine print, that if markets go down more than 30%, there would be a problem. And somehow, nobody at the Art Institute read that or figured it out. They thought the guy was a genius, because this company had the highest Sharpe ratio in the industry, all right? You see what they're doing? They're playing tricks. They're making it look like there's less risk than there really is. And there's a strategy to do that.

It didn't end well for Integral Investment Management, because the Art Institute of Chicago managed to stick them on other things--they disclosed it. They told people that they were doing this strategy. The artists didn't figure it out. But there were other dishonesties that they nailed these guys on.

What Goetzmann and his co-authors did is, they showed that you can play tricks with the--you can play a lot of tricks in finance. But one of them is to play a trick with the Sharpe ratio. But their trick was very explicit. It involved particular portfolio composition involving options, and any professional would immediately know that that's a trick. And it didn't work for these guys; they were too aggressive in their manipulation. But you can do subtler things as a portfolio manager to get your Sharpe ratio up. Instead of manipulating with special derivatives positions, you could just buy companies that have large left tails. They have a small probability of massive losses.
 

Einstein

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Performance Update:-

Portfolio 2013




proper capital allocated.


Portfolio duration: 18 months
 
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