How Will The Market Behave Near And After Fed Meet In Mid December ??- Traders' Views

Where will Nifty settle after Fed meet ??


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Historical data shows that after the first Fed hike EM markets trade flat with a slight positive biasfor the next one year.No major gains for the indices in the year after the rate hike but the next two years after that there are major gains to the tune of 30-50%.Markets expect a rate hike if no rate hike there will be problems.Janet will hike 15-25% bps more probably a 15% bps and then go slow.That will satisfy everyone and it will be buisness as usual.But Dec series in Nifty will not cross 7800 as this year has been bad and will end badly as correctly stated by a senior TJ member Mr Ramakant.
 

Vertigo_1985

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Re: How Will The Market Behave Near And After Fed Meet In Mid December ??- Traders' V

Historical data shows that after the first Fed hike EM markets trade flat with a slight positive biasfor the next one year.No major gains for the indices in the year after the rate hike but the next two years after that there are major gains to the tune of 30-50%.Markets expect a rate hike if no rate hike there will be problems.Janet will hike 15-25% bps more probably a 15% bps and then go slow.That will satisfy everyone and it will be buisness as usual.But Dec series in Nifty will not cross 7800 as this year has been bad and will end badly as correctly stated by a senior TJ member Mr Ramakant.
Can you also give the historical period of such events, thanks.
 
#23
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You are missing a point that we are discussing how a market will react to a very important event like Fed interest rate hike....we are no way saying that the prediction is that the market will bottom out at so and so level and we go long there irrespective of the trend and keep adding to longs if the market tanks further,and we will see higher levels in 15 days....that is predicting ...we are just discussing various possible scenarios.The trade will be on the trends, signals with proper stops.

Most traders here do directional trading and non directional trading sounds great but let us take a definite example ...can you suggest a non directional trade in Nifty or any other stock which will make money irrespective of the market goes up or down ? Let us monitor this trade for December...we will learn something useful.

Smart_trade
Ok, I see.

Now about the non directional trading. In a nutshell: You enter any trade with at least two legs. Two legs means one for each direction (Up and Down). So regardless if market now goes up or down, one of your leg is with it. There are different option and hedge strategies around to use doing this. Some are two leg strategies, more advanced stuff is with three and more legs.

So let's take just one example like the simple "Synthetic Short Call = Short future + Short Put ". When ever we want to enter any trade we place this two legs in the market. Depending on the main picture according to our minds and what we see, we can modify the option leg by choosing a lower or higher Delta level. Stop loss is individual, depending on each traders preferences and how he trades.

Now we are placed in the market more or less "Non directionally", depending on how exact we want to level our Delta in the whole position.

Now the trading management starts:

If market not moves, our short put will make money. If market moves up, we throw away the future and work and manage the put leg. If market moves down, we throw away the put and work and manage our future leg. (This just to mention one way to handle the situation) Now each of this left over single leg can be converted again into other combinations when ever needed. Around this, individual follow up trading plans with filters can and are created, all depending if pure day trader or managing a position over days and weeks.

So the start of the trade is non directional and we do not depend on any targets or what so ever at this moment. After market wants to leave any of our zones which are define with our break even levels, we are free to stay directional with those specific leg and we are free to convert when ever we want this one leg into some thing new, depending what market is doing and how our rules are worked out for those situations.

What ever non directional we choose, each leg must be separately managed during the time in the market. So "Non Directional" needs as management as any other kind of trading. But we do far less depend on any predicting and hoping as we know how and when to put in or out any needed leg for which reason. Hope this makes it a bit more clear what I meant with "Non Directional' trading.

Have a nice day / Dan :)
 

DSM

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Re: How Will The Market Behave Near And After Fed Meet In Mid December ??- Traders' V

Interesting question... All answers will reflect one's bias. My take :

* .25% interest rate hike factored already.

* Major impact will be based on Fed commentary rather than rate hike.

* If rate hike is as expected, Fed will not want to rattle the market further, as this rate hike is coming after a long period of 9 years....

* Any selloff, will find buying once the Fed commentary is digested if it is dovish (as expected)

* USD will strengthen, leading to a greater impact and fall in commodity prices. Crude can see more sell off based on fundamental news. Companies such as HPCL and BPCL to benefit. Cairn will be under pressure (more so due to new negotiations on royalty front)

* Strong USD will mean EM currencies will weaken, including INR.

* Companies with highly leveraged Balance Sheet and Foreign Currency Loans (likely to be unhedged) will face pressure.

* The important question is how will the market fare in 2016? What will give us a good clue will be to wait and watch what happens in the month of January. By then, the market would have had enough time to act on Fed's policy action as well as following commentary. That will be a revealing tell in my view.....

General notes :

* Liquidity is expected to dry up next year, which may lead to higher volatility.

* Markets are fragile, but currently, the risk is hidden due to low volatility. (Option writers betting on rising volatility in the future will benefit immensely)

Fed meeting is scheduled on 15-16 December 2015. How will the world markets and Emerging Markets and Indian markets behave post Fed meet ?

Traders can share their views with reasoning. But be "tolerent" with every view...

Looking forward to some good discussion.

Smart_trade
 

Pradeep Narayan

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One possible scenario that I can think of is that Fed would go for a 50-100 basis points kick start with a mellowed down 25 bps per qtr/half yr totalling 200-250 basis points as guidance. This will take the markets down for a week or so... but will pave a clearer path for future growth.

I feel Nifty is on a long term bull phase, so corrections like this would be good investing opportunities.
 
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Vertigo_1985

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Anyone checked S&P futures chart ? Indicating possible break of 2000 after which next support is around 1860-1900, so if this happens NF may test 7200-7300 zone. This scenario would would lead S&P to a strong support zone, so even if we see only charts then any fall is most likely to be bought supporting theory that we are gng to see rise after fed event.
Anyways.. tomorrow we should know if it breaks or not as on tuesday, wednesday i dont expect big trending moves.
 
#27
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Another thing that may happen is that the Fed may announce rate changes but make them effective from a later date, say from February or March. Difficult for me to predict how the market will react then.
 
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HTML:
So let's take just one example like the simple "Synthetic Short Call = Short future + Short Put ". When ever we want to enter any trade we place this two legs in the market. Depending on the main picture according to our minds and what we see, we can modify the option leg by choosing a lower or higher Delta level. Stop loss is individual, depending on each traders preferences and how he trades.
I think this trade will work fine in lower side or nifty slight movement in up side
But trade off will be when there will be big gap up tomorrow.
Though possibility is very small but at the same time we should not forget that there are many short positions still open in market and any good news will result in big up move because of short covering.