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1.) LTCG Tax on Equity - Taxing Genuine Investors to get a best case 3000-5000 cr of Tax Revenue and losing 15 lakh crore Market Cap but not catching and penalizing Tax Evaders/Money Launderers does not seem Morally or Revenue Right.
2.) The Big Statement in Budget2018
3.67 Lakh Crores of Exempted LTCG Tax in A Y 2017-2018 and 20k crores expected in tax revenue in 2019 and 40k crores in 2020.
3.) Matching the 3.67 lakh crore number with Income Tax Website.
https://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/Pages/Direct-Taxes-Data.aspx
Looks like 5 years data added as per Income Tax Website. All Tax Payers – Range of Long Term Capital Gains Tax
4.) Conclusion
The data on Income Tax India website for LTCG is only for other asset classes.
Or the budget used a cumulative data of 5 years?
Or the data used in the budget for LTCG for Equity is from the Income Tax and other agencies but not available on any public website
5.) Invert , Invert , Invert !!
1) LTCG Collection 2) 3.67 lakh cr number in one A.Y .
1) LTCG Collections - How Much ?
As per the statements of FM and Finance Secretary the expectation was 20,000 cr in 1st year and 40,000 cr in 2nd year.
Tough to get 20000 cr every year.
6.) The LTCG tax estimate of 20000 cr and 40000 cr from next year does not add up as it expects 30-40% of all Volumes to be LTCG profit booking.
Expects 6-10% of Equity of Indian Markets to change hands!! The Public holding is less than 10% and another 6% through MF
7.) Who Holds How much & Why Numbers dont Add up.
2.) The Big Statement in Budget2018
3.67 Lakh Crores of Exempted LTCG Tax in A Y 2017-2018 and 20k crores expected in tax revenue in 2019 and 40k crores in 2020.
3.) Matching the 3.67 lakh crore number with Income Tax Website.
https://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/Pages/Direct-Taxes-Data.aspx
Looks like 5 years data added as per Income Tax Website. All Tax Payers – Range of Long Term Capital Gains Tax
4.) Conclusion
The data on Income Tax India website for LTCG is only for other asset classes.
Or the budget used a cumulative data of 5 years?
Or the data used in the budget for LTCG for Equity is from the Income Tax and other agencies but not available on any public website
5.) Invert , Invert , Invert !!
1) LTCG Collection 2) 3.67 lakh cr number in one A.Y .
1) LTCG Collections - How Much ?
As per the statements of FM and Finance Secretary the expectation was 20,000 cr in 1st year and 40,000 cr in 2nd year.
Tough to get 20000 cr every year.
6.) The LTCG tax estimate of 20000 cr and 40000 cr from next year does not add up as it expects 30-40% of all Volumes to be LTCG profit booking.
Expects 6-10% of Equity of Indian Markets to change hands!! The Public holding is less than 10% and another 6% through MF
7.) Who Holds How much & Why Numbers dont Add up.
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Conclusion :-The broader markets have corrected 40% since the budget.Even if new investments become profitable there will be a lot of set-offs available for LTCG Loss for many years. LTCG revenues could become significant only after a decade of compounding.
2) Inverting the 3.67 lakh crore number !!
Assuming 400% profit , The booked value of LTCG transaction of 4.58 lakh crores implies roughly 19 % of the total volumes of 2016-2017 is LTCG booking !!
A transaction of 4-5 lakh crores in a Total Market Capitalization 120 lakh crores would imply 4% of Equity of India being sold and LTCG booked.
Now if we consider 100% profit the Value of Trade becomes 7-8 lakh crores which would be 30% of all delivery volumes.
Genuine Investors being taxed instead of penalizing tax evaders/money launderers.
The government collects 10000 cr plus from STT and for quite a few years may not even get LTCG equivalent to STT.
A practical estimate is 2-4% of Equity changes hands every year and Market goes up 12-15% the max collections could be 3000-5000 cr
The Market Cap Loss of 5-15 lakh crores in lieu of best case revenue of 3000-5000 crores which will hardly be a few 100 cr this year reminds us of this saying – Khaya Piya Kuch Nahi Glass Toda Bara Anna.
2) Inverting the 3.67 lakh crore number !!
Assuming 400% profit , The booked value of LTCG transaction of 4.58 lakh crores implies roughly 19 % of the total volumes of 2016-2017 is LTCG booking !!
A transaction of 4-5 lakh crores in a Total Market Capitalization 120 lakh crores would imply 4% of Equity of India being sold and LTCG booked.
Now if we consider 100% profit the Value of Trade becomes 7-8 lakh crores which would be 30% of all delivery volumes.
Genuine Investors being taxed instead of penalizing tax evaders/money launderers.
The government collects 10000 cr plus from STT and for quite a few years may not even get LTCG equivalent to STT.
A practical estimate is 2-4% of Equity changes hands every year and Market goes up 12-15% the max collections could be 3000-5000 cr
The Market Cap Loss of 5-15 lakh crores in lieu of best case revenue of 3000-5000 crores which will hardly be a few 100 cr this year reminds us of this saying – Khaya Piya Kuch Nahi Glass Toda Bara Anna.
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