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DanPickUp

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Today I found this definition by vsparikh :

""A well disciplined and rule following cash management could never face a risk which could be sudden. It always results into a calculated well defined risk.

Once a risk/reward ratio is predefined and determined, result and risk would always be minimal.

As in most incidences, loss in profits rather than in capital.""

To me, it sounds very clear and straight and it is very simple to remember under stress conditions.

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DanPickUp

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A tiny look at how real pros at ForeX work. Adaptable to other markets. The third statement ( * ) and some other ones are really eye opener.

Enjoy it :

-@jeff [16:25]>Say a hedge fund asks for the price on US$200 million of EUR/USD (normally they ask for 2 sided price so you do not know which way they are).

-Since I worked on option desk, we had limits on our delta position, gamma, vega, etc…

- (*)Pro bank traders will use customer orders as stops, trade in front of it. Very common in FX land.

-A Bank I was at, traders liked the GET system for trading, MA crossovers, Elliot Wave, Fibonacci Levels

-So using options makes sense. They also have resources to track and trade volatility in options

-@jeff [16:31]> They also use option info to plan trades, where strikes are concentrated, barriers, etc

-First the good stories
@jeff [16:33]> Worked with an options trader who had no ego, no preconceived ideas, could go from
@jeff [16:33]> long to flat to long to short in quick order if he saw changes in market. Never got
@jeff [16:34]> married to a position. Never cared about paying brokerage or spread to get out as knew
@jeff [16:34]> bad positions would cost him more in the long run

-Another bad one, had a friend running a hedge fund and he was doing this option trade with me.
@jeff [16:37]> Anyhow, this was a long term position and he had essentially turned about $250,000 into $1.9 million
@jeff [16:37]> not bad
@jeff [16:37]> It was a Friday before a long weekend and the option expired Wednesday and I
@jeff [16:37]> begged him to take his profits
@jeff [16:37]> Nope, he wanted to earn the time decay over the long weekend
@jeff [16:38]> comes in Tuesday, the option is now worth ZERO !

-The best traders I saw mapped out all scenarios and knew risk, knew swing highs and lows, where stops were,
@jeff [16:46]> in FX 20's and 80's (e.g.: 1.2020 or 1.2080 in Euro) were popular levels to put stops around so knew these areas well,
@jeff [16:46]> , had in mind simple support and resistance levels, MA levels
@jeff [16:47]> Either wrote them down or had scenarios on their minds
@jeff [16:47]> I would say most were more concerned with losing money vs. making money. The making money came out of this mindset.

Take care and have a nice weekend

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DanPickUp

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Today I found this explanation about Risk Reward Ratio by sashsaha0 and I liked it. There are already some post about that in this thread. If you are still not sure about RRR, this here should clear it definitively.

""Getting the risk reward equation right while trading

Risk / reward analysis is a very important aspect of initiating a trade. As the name suggests, risk / reward analysis helps to identify the potential return from a given trade compared to the amount of risk being taken. Ideally, you want at least a two-to-one ratio – two points of profit for every one point of risk.

Risk/reward is just what the name implies. It is the process of evaluating how much risk you will take on compared to how much reward you can expect to gain on any given trade. Or said another way, how many points could the stock fall if the trade doesn’t work out, versus how many points could the stock rise if the trade does in fact go in your favor? Typically, when evaluating risk/reward, we like to see a two-to-one ratio, at a minimum. In other words, for every point of risk, we want to have two points of potential reward.

So, as the above suggests, you need to be able to determine the expected reward and the potential risk. How do you do that? Well, a few things are needed to calculate the amount of risk versus reward.

* Determine where significant resistance lies ahead, or where the stock would be overbought on its trading band.
* Determine where significant support resides below.
* Calculate the price objective for the stock, using either the vertical or horizontal count.
* Determine one’s stop-loss point – where the stock will break a significant bottom or trendline, the point at which you no longer want to own the stock. You must be able to handle the worst-case scenario – that of the trade not working, and therefore being stopped out.

Examples

Here are a few examples of the risk-reward ratio:

* If the risk is Rrs200 and the reward is rs400, then the risk-reward ratio is 200:400 or 1:2.
* If the risk is rs500 and the reward it rs1,500, then the risk-reward ratio is 500:1500 or 1:3.
* If the risk is rs1,000 and the reward is rs500, then the risk-reward ratio is 1000:500 or 2:1.

What is a Good Risk-Reward Ratio?

The minimum risk-reward ratio for a trade is 1:2. However, a larger ratio is better. An acceptable risk-reward ratio for beginning traders is 1:3. Any number below 1:3 is too risky so the trade should be avoided. Never enter a trade in which the risk-reward ratio is 1:1 or the risk outweighs the reward.

Many experienced trader will only enter trades in which the risk-reward ratio is 1:5 or higher. This requires that the trader wait for a trade with this ratio, but the reward is worth it. A higher risk-reward ratio is a good idea in case the stock does not make the anticipated price movement. However, if the trader uses a lower risk-reward ratio, there is very little room for smaller price movements and the amount of risk will increase.

The risk-reward ratio is an important risk management and trading tool. It is important for beginning traders to take the extra time to perform this task because it can help to minimize risk in every trade. Waiting for the right risk-reward ratio can take a long time. However, the benefits of waiting for a higher risk-reward ratio are worth the effort and patience. You will know your risk and know your potential profit. Most importantly, you will know whether the trade is worthy of your money. ""

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