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Abhishek87 said:
Hi guys,

I am 21 and am just starting in the market scenario. I would like to invest in MF but don't really have an idea on what basis should I be picking one? I have visited some sites and they say you should pick one based on your age, profile etc. So, my age as told is 21 and I tend to invest for mid-term priod (neither long nor short)... Need help from you people as to which MF fund should I use and why?

Also, how and on what parameters should I compare the different MFs? How do i compare their returns?

Thanks a lot...
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Hi,

Kindly check "Mutual Fund Discussion Forum"
Hope that would help.

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Guys,
As said in my previous post, I am quite new here and understanding the terminology of the market. I wanted to ask if it is fine for me to start learning the Technical analysis(teach a man to fish) as of now or do I need to do something else too before that ( to get my basics right) ...
 
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Abhishek87 said:
Guys,
As said in my previous post, I am quite new here and understanding the terminology of the market. I wanted to ask if it is fine for me to start learning the Technical analysis(teach a man to fish) as of now or do I need to do something else too before that ( to get my basics right) ...
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dear abhishek
u learn it(teach a man to fish) as early as possible...saint sir has explained the basics in simple language... as a trader i have one and a half year experience...but it was purely speculative... now i realize what mistakes i commited in past trades... it was only because of saint sir... he is the gem of this site...try to read all posts made by him in various threads.. it gives u confidence... if u r an absolute beginner try to get familiarise with all technical terms used here in this site..hope the following link could help you for some extent.

http://www.streetauthority.com/terms/glossary.asp#w

once again ,start with Teach a man to fish.. it will give you a clear direction if you like to be a day trader(helps for long term investing also)..am sure..
you can get compiled notes of Teach a man....i will get u the link soon as time not permits me to search
regards
bijo
 
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Re: General Guide to Day Trading

haribird said:
Here I will guide you about the setups needed fort day trading.

First off all you need to arrange all the inventories before starting day trading. I will describe below what you need to do first. All are inconsideration that you want to be a dedicated online trader and need to have a fool proof trading system. This setup will keep you in trading as far as you want.

1. Open a Bank Account, Demat Account & Online Trading Account. You can contact a broker firm to get these accounts opened.
Brokerage firms: Sharekhan, Geojit, Religare, Reliance Money, HDFC, ICICIDirect, etc.

Funds from your bank will be transferred to the trading account. Then shares can be brought using that money. The shares you brought will be held on your demat account.
While buying a share: Bank account -> (cash) Trading Account -> (shares) Demat Account
While selling a share: Demat Account (shares) -> Trading Account (cash) -> Bank Account

The above transactions attracts certain commissions, known as brokerages. Since, above the value of shares you will be charged some small amount of money as brokerages. Also you will be charged some taxes for these transactions and for the gain.

Brokerage: For the whole buy and sell value,
STT(Security Transaction Tax): Calculated on the Weighted Average Price of the client for a particular days turnover,
Stamp Duty,
Service Tax,
etc.
This doesn't include income tax. You need to pay a particular % of income tax for all your Gains only, Also you can deduct your losses from the Gains for the calculation of income tax.

I will post a real life example of a transaction.

Share: UNITECH LTD
No of Shares brought: 200
Buy Price: 147.85
Total Amount: Rs: 29570
Brokerage: Rs: 15
Service Tax: Rs:1.86
NET COST OF BUY: Rs: 29586.86

Now you have a Trading Account ready to buy and sell shares.
For day traders the shares are brought and sold in the same day itself.
So these shares will not actually go to your demat account.

Now we can discuss about other client setups.
Consider you are a dedicated trader who trades from your home or office, you need to have the below hardwares and softwares.

1. Sufficient Trading Capital (Money).
3. A good Computer System.
4. A Power Back Up System.
5. A good Trading Terminal Software.
6. A very good Internet Connection.
7. A calm environment where other will not disturb you.

Sufficient Trading Capital
You should have sufficient fund for trading. Broker firms allow you to trade more than the money you have for non-delivery trading(day trading) or for 6 days trading with some brokers like Sharekhan. This is known as leverage, its good you can buy more for less money but, say for example if you have Rs:1000 the broker firm may allow you to trade for 4000 and for even 10000 with some brokers. But high leveraged trading is extremely dangerous and it will kill your trading capital. So try to be less leverage as possible.

See the danger of leveraged trading by an example,
One have taken the leverage of 10 times his trading capital of 1000 and brought shares worth 10000.
Brought ABC 100 share for Rs:100
After 15 minutes the share price is not moving up but going down. So he decided to sell the shares at the current price to limit the losses.
He sold at: Rs:90, means he lost Rs:10 per share.
So, Total loss = 10*100 = 1000. Now Rs: 1000 will be deducted from his trading account. Now his trading capital is 0, means he cannot trade since there is no money left.

His Capital: 1000
Brought in leverage: 10000
Lost 1000
Now his Capital: 0
Like wise if you have gained and booked profit at 110 you will gain 1000. Means you have made 1000 from 1000 from a single trade. But a single loss will kill a greater percentage of your capital and you will get pain to even recover from the loss.

I know I have detailed roughly about leverage. But consider, many traders left trading just because they traded with highly leveraged money. So my advice is to not leverage or leverage very less but never leverage more than 4 times(4000 from 1000). As a thumb rule don't loose more than 1% to 2% of your money in any single trade and not more than 10% at any time.

Computer System
These days all computers are highly powered so there is no need to discuss much but, for a dedicated online trader I recommend the following computer setups.
Processor: Dual Core min. 3.2 Ghz(1.6*2)
RAM: 1 GB or more if you are using Windows XP or higher versions.
Monitor: Preferably 2 monitors. 15inch minimum. One for Charts/Graphs and the other for orders and Index tracking.
Browsers: Internet Explorer + Opera or FireFox

Power Back Up System
You must have a power back up system over your conventional 20 minute UPS. Buy a UPS which gives atleast 1 hour back up or buy some other kind of backup system. Even if the power fails you must be able to trade for the next 1 hour atleast even if you have no power cuts in your area.

Trading Terminal Software
As a day trader you should have a trading terminal rather than brokers webpage trading. For this you can signup for brokers providing software terminals to trade. Below are some brokers who provides softwares.

Sharekhan: Provides Software(with technical analysis tools).
ICICIDirect: Donot provides software (So, not suitable for day traders).
Religare: Provides Software.

[Optional]
If you can buy technical analysis softwares (like MetaStock, Amibroker, etc) will be a good idea. Also you need to buy good real time data feeds inorder to see charts and prices in MetaStock, Amibroker,etc. Softwares provided by brokers doesn't need additional data feeds. The advantage of these Technical Analysis softwares over broker's trading terminal softwares are the higher ability to do technical analysis.

Internet Connection
A proper internet connection is a must for every trader. A 250Kbps internet connection will smooth out your trading. Also take a backup connection from a different company inorder to continue trading when the other connection fails of any reason.
Backup Connection is not expensive if you take a usb data card wireless connection or mobile edge internet connection. All these are available for as low as 400 per month or even less. You may also activate the backup connection from your mobile service provider and can use your mobile as modem to access internet through GPRS or EDGE. All mobile service providers have this facility for less than 250 per month. This will save you from a sudden internet blackout.


I wrote these all in a jiffy manner, so please correct if I have missed something or did anything wrong. Will update and add more advanced topics regarding day trading soon. But I need your feedback, questions, complaints, etc to keep me in track.

Thank you,
Hari.
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Though the thread is qute old I have seen it today only. Really nice and educative for beginners.Keep it up friend.
 
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dear hari
sorry for disturbing you so much... as i said earlier am following mini flow from the last 2 weeks.. but still not crystal clear about the system.. i have the following doubts
1. About moving filters..
eventhough in todays trade you ended in profit( you longed at 2675) it was not correct as per my understandings.. what made you take that decision? how the moving filters were applied? is it using 15m Tf or 30min Tf before 11a.m?what was your mistake? and how to apply moving filters properly? please explain in simple understandable way( with TFs)

2.About 2 bar & 4 bar rules
when and how these rules are applied.. i couldnt understand 2 bars rule much... 4 bar rule is ok

3.About SAR
i am still confused in using TFs.. which TF should we use after 10.00 to 11 for applying moving filters?
Is it wise to reverse whenever stop is hit? i mean in extreme volatile days it may hit several times and we end in loss!!

4. About saints class
which are the rules amended by him?

hari, please answer for each of the above questions whenever you get time . one question per day will be sufficient for me.. Is it the wrong thread to ask such questions??? if i am mistaken tell me where to post .

In you library thread kindly include summery of trades we undertook in tough days (as on 6-11-08 and 20-11-08) categorizing them under
a. uptrend
b. downtrend
c. sideways move
one example for each category will be sufficient

Wishing you all success for your library thread.

regards
bijo
 
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