Market Operators - Do they exist ? Who actually runs the show?

Do they exist in your price/volume observation experience and do they manipulate?


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#1
Folks -

After actively trading for a year now - I strongly believe Market is purely Orchestred buy Smart Big Monies whatever we call them....to say the least there are lots of price jack up and down incidents (often without reasons) I have observed in price and volume movements even without any charts and I can boldly say...sharing few articles from our this forum too..Shark exists and they only rule....!

Various name that are used for them....

- Sharks
- Smart Money
- Big Boys
- Market Operators
- Insiders
- Floor Traders
- BEAR Cartel
- BULL Cartel
.....
.....

Ultimately these guys have made Stock Market a Casino - White Collar, legal, professional casino.

Just wondering what are your true real evidential experiences...


( Isn't EDUCOMP a biggest example of a big Gambling table in this Casino that even novice can see ??)
 
#2
From the article..THE DEADLY ART OF STOCK MANIPULATION

RULE NUMBER ONE:
ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN --ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE PRICE.

RULE NUMBER TWO:
IF THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE (DUMP)HIS SHARES, HE WILL START A GOOD NEWS PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN.

RULE NUMBER THREE:
AS SOON AS THE MARKET MANIPULATOR HAS COMPLETED HIS DISTRIBUTION (DUMPING) OF SHARES, HE WILL START A BAD NEWS OR NO NEWS CAMPAIGN.

RULE NUMBER FOUR:
ANY STOCK THAT TRADES HUGE VOLUME AT HIGHER PRICES SIGNALS THE DISTRIBUTION PHASE.

RULE NUMBER FIVE:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET YOU TO BUY AT THE HIGHEST, AND SELL AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE.


RULE NUMBER SIX:
IF THIS IS A REAL DEAL, THEN YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO BE NOTIFIED OR WILL BE DRIVEN OUT AT THE LOWER PRICES.

RULE NUMBER SEVEN:
CONVERSELY, YOU WILL OFTEN BE THE LAST TO KNOW WHEN THIS DEAL SHOWS SIGNS OF FAILURE.

RULE NUMBER EIGHT:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL COMPEL YOU INTO THE STOCK SO THAT YOU DRIVE UP ITS PRICE SHARES.

RULE NUMBER NINE:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR IS WELL AWARE OF THE MOTIONS YOU ARE EXPERIENCING DURING A RUN UP AND A COLLAPSE AND WILL PLAY YOUR EMOTIONS LIKE A PIANO.

FINAL RULE:
A NEW BATCH OF SUCKERS ARE BORN WITH EVERY NEW PLAY.
 

Prabhjeet

Well-Known Member
#3
Folks -

After actively trading for a year now - I strongly believe Market is purely Orchestred buy Smart Big Monies whatever we call them....to say the least there are lots of price jack up and down incidents (often without reasons) I have observed in price and volume movements even without any charts and I can boldly say...sharing few articles from our this forum too..Shark exists and they only rule....!

Various name that are used for them....

- Sharks
- Smart Money
- Big Boys
- Market Operators
- Insiders
- Floor Traders
- BEAR Cartel
- BULL Cartel
.....
.....

Ultimately these guys have made Stock Market a Casino - White Collar, legal, professional casino.

Just wondering what are your true real evidential experiences...


( Isn't EDUCOMP a biggest example of a big Gambling table in this Casino that even novice can see ??)
I dont think there are any Market operators ( used to think they exist earlier) who move markets in a Big way to eat small fish, I would actually give them a bit more respect and call them SMART Traders.

After years in this profession a good trader will know where the Stops of Herd Newbie traders would be lying so what these Smart ones do is that they hold back their orders for a while or even put some orders to wash the not so SMART stops and get the absolute bargain for their money.

Now who would not like to do that,would nt you want nicest bargains for your stocks within your strategy. Though it takes time to understand which ones are true and which one are false moves but if you give sufficient time to studying these moves, you will be one of the so called BIG OPERATORS.


And plz. dont quote Satyam or Educomp as manipulative moves, both these stocks were yelling SELL on all time frame charts, we just had to listen :)
 
#4
And plz. dont quote Satyam or Educomp as manipulative moves, both these stocks were yelling SELL on all time frame charts, we just had to listen :)
Thx Prabhjeetji,

Satyam case is totally different..IMHO I would label it as white colored open fraud...let's not go there

1) What is the reason why we are seeing Educomp roughly 200+- Rs everyday since it's listing..what is changing everyday in it's supply/demand or risk/opportunities??

2) Why is Aban falling like a sharp knife with utter silence from everywhere?

3) Why delivery % in all stocks transaction is merely 25% on average on any day - this means only Short/Long selling happening for whooping 75% of the times...
 
#5
Also..in one year I have seen even professional traders with 10 years whooping experience (solid TAs) are trapped and lured by Greed and Fear by these Sharks !

Recent example..LnT got trapped in Satyam drama @157 levels (very next ten minutes price was @31 rs level - the deal was done by a TA team with reasoning of Fibo Retracement)! - though this is a different case..not going there

In my humble observation...do these guy run Cartels (Nexus among Corporates themself, Brokers, Exchanges, Govt) to loot general public...??

At the same time volatility is good thing for traders like us..but subject of discussion is "Big Bad Boys and their Casino" !
 
#6
You missed front-running from your list.

Front-running is a very frequent activity in our markets where operators and fund managers are hand in glove. Here is the modus operandi of how it happens ( I have witnessed it from the sidelines )
Nicely described Adheer !

"Modus Operandi"..public are always last in Channel..

I remember reading following liner somewhere about Warren Buffet...that is once he went for Shoe Polishing and Shoe Polisher said..oh great stock marget guru..do you yourself know XYZ company's stock is multibagger and you should buy it immediately...Warren Buffet who was on lunch-break with his wife immediately cancelled his lunch-break and went to office and SOLD the stocks that he held for that company...the moral was...the news has reached to the top of the pyramid...it's time to get out !

It is all Pyramid Shape Nexus.....unless you are a part of the Nexus..you will be last to get any benefit...only 5% get that benefits (early herd of fools) rest 95% get traped !
 
#7
RULE NUMBER SIX:
IF THIS IS A REAL DEAL, THEN YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO BE NOTIFIED OR WILL BE DRIVEN OUT AT THE LOWER PRICES.

RULE NUMBER SEVEN:
CONVERSELY, YOU WILL OFTEN BE THE LAST TO KNOW WHEN THIS DEAL SHOWS SIGNS OF FAILURE.

- Isn't Satyam classic case? What do you think the (exchange/operators/insiders) guys who first knew content of the latter that Raju confessed they would have SHORTED them or BROUGHT them? the latter was written at 10:00 AM until 1:45 news was not broke to public clearly...rest all known...!!

..though people are equally to be blamed to get trapped because of FEAR and GREED and DESIRE to become RICH quickly (if possible with very next transaction)...but most of time they are unaware of these Nexus !


Ultimately is unfair casino type game ! You need to have edge over rest 95% to be among first 5%...you can never have edge of Sharks !
 
#8
lost 6 lacs in 2 months? how to recover now

hi friends,

i had 8.5 lacs in sept but just left with 2.5 lacs now. am worried about mony now. is there any way to earn 2500-3000 per day? please help me as to what should i do now. i have learnt somewhat from past experience.

regards
sumit
 
#10
http://tradeorinvest.com/stock-market-operators-manipulation/

Stock Market Operators: Do they exist? How do they manipulate?

I believe that most of us have heard of stock market operators. They are known by many different names and they are constantly the blame for our financial losses. In some parts of the world, they are known as sharks, syndicates, big bosses, speculators, liars, cheaters or stock market manipulators. Some of us cheer their existence and their operations while some cursed them as if they are the culprits to our financial ruins. Are they our friends or foes? As the famous saying goes, know thy foes and you will have the upper hand in battle. In this post, I will challenge and dare you to swim with the sharks and eat from the crumbs of their feeds and not to be their feed. Here I would like to bring out some of my personal thoughts on this question that most newbie has.


Ok, here is the short answer. Yes, you are right. They existed and their operations are hidden from most people especially the newbie in these financial markets. I believe if we know them and how they operate, we could actually move along with them. In fact, the whole purpose of technical analysis is to determine the balance of demand and supply and the stock market operators are some of the powerful and rich individuals or groups with much buying and selling power. If we are able to track their movement, we will be able to profit from their operations. However, if we are ignorant of their existence, we could be their next meal.

Basic facts of stock market operators are listed below for your reference.

  • They work individually or in a group.
  • They rely on the market trends to help them in their mission.
  • The general publics are their big customers.
  • They together work with the public listed company owners or insiders.
  • They have a main mission objective to accomplish.
  • The bulk of their operation revolved around the accumulation and the distribution of stocks from / to the general publics.
  • They are rich and powerful figures but they are also humans that have emotions like all of us.
  • They have extensive credit facilities and lower transaction costs than the retail investors.
  • They do make mistakes like any one of us. Their mistake costs millions in dollars.
  • Market news, stock market analyst, corporate announcements, word of mouth advertising, price bidding and order queues are some of their tricks and tools that they used to achieve their main objective.
  • They dont try to pick the bottom or the top like most retail investors do. Again, some of them try to do this and it costs them much sorrow and dismay.
  • They do attempt to manipulate the chart to trick the chartist whether you like it or not.
  • They are both the buyer and seller in the queue order at any given time.
  • They are not doing charity work. They existed to make your money.

It is important to understand them well as they are big volume buyers and sellers. They can tilt the balance of demand and supply. Understanding the above traits of stock market operators will help to clear some of the myths that we have of them. Remember, they are humans like us. Some of the above points deserved to be elaborated further to bring out the secrets of trading methodologies that we will employ in our technical analysis.

Primary market trends are very important to their success and failures. If they judge wrongly on this, they could go bust easily as the power of leveraging will work against them. Remember this, they cannot fight against the trends and they dont have the strength to do so. Dont ever think that they can swim against the tides.

If their mission objective is to acquire stocks, they might push down the prices to cause temporary market panics to squeeze out the stocks out from the speculators and investors and this is especially true in certain countries where short-selling is not allowed. The success of this technique will depends on what sort of people that are holding the stocks. This will get rid of the intraday and short term traders. However, they will try to maintain the prices around a certain range as to keep the sellers motivated. Usually the public listed company owners and insider will work in tandem to collect the shares from the general public. After they exhausted the fearful speculators and investors, they will then turn their eyes to the stronger speculators and investors by pushing up the prices higher to catch their interests.

If their mission is to distribute stocks, they will push up the stock prices to catch the attention of speculators and investors. They will work with market analyst to create beautiful pictures of the company prospects. They will work with the public listed company owners and insiders to create scarcity of stocks. At this moment of time, they will also announce all the good news while pushing up the stock prices. They will queue up as buyers and sellers in the order queue. They will buy their own stocks to create volume to entice the crowd to follow. As they bid up and down the prices, stocks were distributed without the awareness of the general public.

I believe that this write-up will increase our trading knowledge and make us a wiser trader. I will continue to write of how we can profit from their operation in future posts whenever I managed to get my time organized.
 

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