Market Operators - Do they exist ? Who actually runs the show?

Do they exist in your price/volume observation experience and do they manipulate?


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It is best to trade liquid markets , e.g ESmini, here it is impossible for a single institutions or a group to manipulate the market to a large extent. Same applies to liquid shares. Better still if their trading activity data is available via volume.

Then the footprints of the big operators can be detected via price shift and volume. This is the fundamental law of supply and demand which govern any market. Learning to judge the market by its own action via price/vol is a skill and like any other skill there are no shortcuts. The best source of learning is Wyckoff principles . He outlined them 100yrs before and they will continue to operate as long as there are markets.
Most traders resort to employing countless indicators to forecast prices, they are useful tools to make trading decisions but have limitations.
If you step back and enquire you will realise the fundamental flaw.

Any maths based indicator uses price in its calculation. Now price "A" is a variable, this is sliced and diced to arrive at an indicator value say of RSI or MaCD "X" , since it is dependent on A, it is also a variable.

We then look to forcast using this variable "X" to forecast variable "A"

Hope the inconsistent logic is evident, anyway dwell on it.
There is inherent certainty in the market. whereas our brains are hard wired to seek certainty and cannot operate from a probabilistic as casinos do (not the punters - they are the losers, the casinos win- not because of cheating(highly regulated now in places like Vegas, London and Europe) but playing the odds)
Until this truth dawns on the trader, 90% in this business will fail.
 
FEAR ARE RISING EVERY DAY FOR NEW ISSUES.
*** ***************************************************

AS MONEY HAVE BEEN SUCKED BY THE MANIPULATORS.
NOW THE INVESTORS SHOULD SEE ONLY THE VALUE
NOT THE PRICE.
LOOK ON SHREEASTHA WHICH I HAD STRONGLY GIVEN
A VALUE BUYING CALL AT 11-14/-. WHEREAS A
CONSTULTANT AT THIS WEBSITE (cnbc) WAS BEARISH UPTO
RS.5/-..

****ALTHOUGH ASTERSILI CATE IS NEW ENTRANT BUT
OPM % IS VERY MUCH ATTRACTIVE AND SALES GROWTH
IS ALSO VERY MCUH INSPIRING SUBJECT TO THE
BALANCE-SHEET FURNISHED BY THE CO. TO SEBI ETC.
IS TRUE????
THERE ARE THREE USER INDUSTRIES - FOOD,
OIL DRILLING & DETERGENT. ALL INDUSTRIES
GIVE SUFFICIENT DEMAND FOR ITS PRODUCT.
*****PLS HOPE POSITIVE AT THIS PRICE****
 

jagankris

Well-Known Member
It is best to trade liquid markets , e.g ESmini, here it is impossible for a single institutions or a group to manipulate the market to a large extent. Same applies to liquid shares. Better still if their trading activity data is available via volume.

Then the footprints of the big operators can be detected via price shift and volume. This is the fundamental law of supply and demand which govern any market. Learning to judge the market by its own action via price/vol is a skill and like any other skill there are no shortcuts. The best source of learning is Wyckoff principles . He outlined them 100yrs before and they will continue to operate as long as there are markets.
Most traders resort to employing countless indicators to forecast prices, they are useful tools to make trading decisions but have limitations.
If you step back and enquire you will realise the fundamental flaw.

Any maths based indicator uses price in its calculation. Now price "A" is a variable, this is sliced and diced to arrive at an indicator value say of RSI or MaCD "X" , since it is dependent on A, it is also a variable.

We then look to forcast using this variable "X" to forecast variable "A"

Hope the inconsistent logic is evident, anyway dwell on it.
There is inherent certainty in the market. whereas our brains are hard wired to seek certainty and cannot operate from a probabilistic as casinos do (not the punters - they are the losers, the casinos win- not because of cheating(highly regulated now in places like Vegas, London and Europe) but playing the odds)
Until this truth dawns on the trader, 90% in this business will fail.
Emini or Commodity or Forex constitutes of human traders.
Hence the strong hands will always try to move the prices in their favour and this cannot be avoided.

How then commodity/forex charts shows whipsaws hitting stop losses before making a huge move.

IT is only a consolation that it is hard to manipulate Forex,Commodities or Emini.

Just keep your strategy and money management rules strong enough.

Thanks,
-JK
 

protrade

Well-Known Member
Market Manipulation exists, and it is very simple to show that it exists. Under normal circumstances, a buyer should want to buy at lowest possible price, and seller would want to sell at highest possible price. At least that is true of natural buyers and sellers.

But, sometimes, buyers want to push the price higher - and sellers want to push the price lower. The reason being, once you have bought some amount of shares, you will only profit from those shares, if you can sell them higher. And to sell them higher, price has to go higher. Best way to make price go higher is to push it up yourself!

Once you understand this basic logic, you can easily understand what the Market Operator is doing - whatever be the term you use for their actions.

Typically, the characteristics are simple to notice - they ignore newsflow that is not favorable to them, and exploit favorable newsflow to the maximum extent! They operate in cartels or groups, to spread risks. They typically operate in stocks where liquidity is lower for whatever reasons. They typically take contrasting positions in Derivatives and Cash - because it is easy to push stock down and buy much more in derivatives, or vice versa. They typically use a lot of spoof orders - which aren't meant to get executed - just used to scare the other orders lower. Many times, they are hand in glove with promoters, to sustain interest.
 

travi

Well-Known Member
What to imagine? :D
Explain please what will happen and how?
Imagine, was in reply to earlier post. :D
If you had market operators in top 100 stocks, imagine it was in CRUDE.
Its just a thought due to the volumes and volatility related to CRUDE.

Nonsense in the case of top 100 or 200 stocks
Not applicable on index futures options and spot indices
 

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