Anna Hajare & The Fairy Tale

[praveen taneja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ho5-7sMHZY&feature=player_embedded

Dont know why posting of youtube Ban on this forum?????????

 

[praveen taneja]

Only 1 person came up with healthy discussion and rest all were as I said, "finger pointers"!

Superpower, well no not yet. But our growth rate is growing at fast rate. I agree rich are getting richer and poor people still live in same situation they were and your data is acceptable. But instead of pin pointing, finger pointing and blame game which we are doing in past 64 years and discuss something constructive Indians spend time in preaching just like cricket superflop oldies who did nothing when they were playing now tell on TV how should current player play. Well atleast they played long back but looks like on this forum of trading, economics and monetary people don't even read or have knowledge to take part in discussion and call names for what they don't agree too. Bravo.

As for your facts, let me again remind our economy till 1991 started with industrialsm and commulism in 1947 and became protectionism in Lal Bahadur's era, democratic socialism in Indira's era and building a nation in Rajiv Gandhi era. We had something called 5 year planning and planning commission which was bigger than now-a-days hyped budget speech.

Our only friend after independence was than Soviet Union which was indutrial superpower and we adopted heavy industry, psu during Nehru's era. When Shashtri came emphasis moved to small scale industries and agriculture, green revolution and to save nation against China and Pakistan. By than Nehru's industrial development started to give fruitful returns. When Indira came she brought various plans, reforms and schemes like banks, insurance and took Shastri's agriculture reforms to green revolution stage. Rajiv was 1st to make country pro-capalistic and in accordance with world.

Now question arises why I worte all this which for many here will be nonsense? Answer is simple, did we had currency printing machine to print new notes and do all this? From 90% below poverty line (and I don't mean by govt's BPL but real poor who earns less than rs 100 a month) to 80% in 64 years is worrisome data but don't forget we became triple in these 64 years.

Our balance of payments are negative since indendence but good thing is defecits in going down. So govt is doing it's job to bring down balance of payments. Not many kids jumping in this thread blasting guns and abusing politicians know that PV Narsimharao had payments for a week left and Manmohan Singh was Finance Minister that time brought drastic change which made him what he is now!

Economic disparities is another issue which is ages old and not just a 64 year old which governement didn't eradicate. Zameendaars and landless labours are from Mugal history and most populated states in India suffers from this disparity, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, MP, Maharastra and Orrisa. Can someone from Kerala or Tamil Nadu say that there farmers are landless labours? Is Indian govt in past 64 years reponsible for this?

Now coming to poverty, why poverty still prevails? For that look at states which are poor - Bihar stands number 1, Jharkhand 2, UP 3 and Rajasthan Orissa 4th and 5th and north east comes 6th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India One reason is given before, old zameendari system. Another reason is castism and uneducation. Now will Mr Taneja go to remote village in Orissa to teach Tribals leaving internet, electricity and television? Will any Anna Hazare fan go for that matter leaving family and luxury of city? Don't give me excuse why govt didn't do anything for tribals. They are tribals because they live in jungles and 80% of Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh and North East population lives in jungles. These tribals are big chunk in people who earn less than 100 but aren't they happy as any urban citizen? Yes they are. They do not need mobiles, eletricity, food from supermart and bike which eats 70% of urban income. They have food available in jungle, and bikes won't work there or mobile won't have network. In short thier basic needs is less than rs 100..!!

Doctors are not ready to work in class B towns forget villages. Education system in villages is worst than expected. Is government to be blamed? We have excess of teachers in India now but only for urban population. There is still lack of teachers in villages. Why don't Anna Hazare fans go to village and teach or give health service instead of wating time at ramlila ground? Blame on government for this also. Blaming is too easy. if India wins world cup people go hysteric but if they lose a test series blame from bcci to captain to old players to young players to ex-coach to new coach to wickets in India to lossing of toss but don't see that English team played way better than us. That's very Indian of us. Illogical and irrational. Just like people posting in this thread.

I said enough about corruption in past post which people didn't read for there convinence and for blaming. Corruption is menace and even superpowers like France, USA, China and UK are not in top 20s for least corrput nations. We need to change society and not bring some evil law which is above judicary. For everyone's knowledge China has captial punishment, kill person who is corrupt. Still it's not far behind corruption in compare to India. And they don't even have democracy where politicians do large chunk of corruption they are public republic and still small amount of bribery is most comman in China which as I said has capital punishment for small or big, any corruption.

Now go ahead and call me Rahul Gandhi, Digvijay Singh or Manmohan Singh and show your education background. If you can't debate, start abusing.

Discussion on this matter????????/

see yourself Calling someone Yuvraj of congress or a Minister or congress spokesman or Prime minister is abuse now:thumb:

Hail Anna Hazare:clap:

I think on politics and current political situation one can not talk without abusing leaders which is not allowed in forums thats why i stay away:thumb:

A small example

WHAT THE BRITISHERS DIDNT SUCCEED
IN DOING, WE ARE EXCELLING IN!!

Sir Winston Churchill wrote 64 years ago about India :
"Power will go to the hands of rascals, rogues, freebooters; all Indian political leaders will be of low caliber & men of straw. They will have sweet tongues & silly hearts. They will fight amongst themselves for power & India will be lost in political squabbles. A day would come when even air & water would be taxed in India ! ! !"

We are indeed an incredible NATION; we have worked very hard and we have indeed proved him right.....

Hope there is no more need for a debate or discussion on this topic better concentrate on topic which Anna raise and nation Unite on that:thumb::thumb:

 

[rahuld2976]

Only 1 person came up with healthy discussion and rest all were as I said, "finger pointers"!

Superpower, well no not yet. But our growth rate is growing at fast rate. I agree rich are getting richer and poor people still live in same situation they were and your data is acceptable. But instead of pin pointing, finger pointing and blame game which we are doing in past 64 years and discuss something constructive Indians spend time in preaching just like cricket superflop oldies who did nothing when they were playing now tell on TV how should current player play. Well atleast they played long back but looks like on this forum of trading, economics and monetary people don't even read or have knowledge to take part in discussion and call names for what they don't agree too. Bravo.

As for your facts, let me again remind our economy till 1991 started with industrialsm and commulism in 1947 and became protectionism in Lal Bahadur's era, democratic socialism in Indira's era and building a nation in Rajiv Gandhi era. We had something called 5 year planning and planning commission which was bigger than now-a-days hyped budget speech.

Our only friend after independence was than Soviet Union which was indutrial superpower and we adopted heavy industry, psu during Nehru's era. When Shashtri came emphasis moved to small scale industries and agriculture, green revolution and to save nation against China and Pakistan. By than Nehru's industrial development started to give fruitful returns. When Indira came she brought various plans, reforms and schemes like banks, insurance and took Shastri's agriculture reforms to green revolution stage. Rajiv was 1st to make country pro-capalistic and in accordance with world.

Now question arises why I worte all this which for many here will be nonsense? Answer is simple, did we had currency printing machine to print new notes and do all this? From 90% below poverty line (and I don't mean by govt's BPL but real poor who earns less than rs 100 a month) to 80% in 64 years is worrisome data but don't forget we became triple in these 64 years.

Our balance of payments are negative since indendence but good thing is defecits in going down. So govt is doing it's job to bring down balance of payments. Not many kids jumping in this thread blasting guns and abusing politicians know that PV Narsimharao had payments for a week left and Manmohan Singh was Finance Minister that time brought drastic change which made him what he is now!

Economic disparities is another issue which is ages old and not just a 64 year old which governement didn't eradicate. Zameendaars and landless labours are from Mugal history and most populated states in India suffers from this disparity, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, MP, Maharastra and Orrisa. Can someone from Kerala or Tamil Nadu say that there farmers are landless labours? Is Indian govt in past 64 years reponsible for this?

Now coming to poverty, why poverty still prevails? For that look at states which are poor - Bihar stands number 1, Jharkhand 2, UP 3 and Rajasthan Orissa 4th and 5th and north east comes 6th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India One reason is given before, old zameendari system. Another reason is castism and uneducation. Now will Mr Taneja go to remote village in Orissa to teach Tribals leaving internet, electricity and television? Will any Anna Hazare fan go for that matter leaving family and luxury of city? Don't give me excuse why govt didn't do anything for tribals. They are tribals because they live in jungles and 80% of Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh and North East population lives in jungles. These tribals are big chunk in people who earn less than 100 but aren't they happy as any urban citizen? Yes they are. They do not need mobiles, eletricity, food from supermart and bike which eats 70% of urban income. They have food available in jungle, and bikes won't work there or mobile won't have network. In short thier basic needs is less than rs 100..!!

Doctors are not ready to work in class B towns forget villages. Education system in villages is worst than expected. Is government to be blamed? We have excess of teachers in India now but only for urban population. There is still lack of teachers in villages. Why don't Anna Hazare fans go to village and teach or give health service instead of wating time at ramlila ground? Blame on government for this also. Blaming is too easy. if India wins world cup people go hysteric but if they lose a test series blame from bcci to captain to old players to young players to ex-coach to new coach to wickets in India to lossing of toss but don't see that English team played way better than us. That's very Indian of us. Illogical and irrational. Just like people posting in this thread.

I said enough about corruption in past post which people didn't read for there convinence and for blaming. Corruption is menace and even superpowers like France, USA, China and UK are not in top 20s for least corrput nations. We need to change society and not bring some evil law which is above judicary. For everyone's knowledge China has captial punishment, kill person who is corrupt. Still it's not far behind corruption in compare to India. And they don't even have democracy where politicians do large chunk of corruption they are public republic and still small amount of bribery is most comman in China which as I said has capital punishment for small or big, any corruption.

Now go ahead and call me Rahul Gandhi, Digvijay Singh or Manmohan Singh and show your education background. If you can't debate, start abusing.

Most of your statements are based on misconceptions &

misunderstandings,either inadvertent or deliberate.Issue is corruption & its

consequences,and you are diverting issue,discussing irrelevant topics,trying

to link them to corruption,praising congress & making readers feel as if Anna

and his supporters are your personal enemy.(peculiar to congressman who

can't bear criticism)

Your post reminded me of the cricket match played long ago between India

and some b-grade team (like bangladesh,Zimbabwe etc).Indian top & middle

batsmen failed,only Harbhajan scored significant runs,30 or 40.Indian players'

fielding also was not up to the mark and India lost that match badly.Now the

blind & die-hard fan and probably who have got vested interest,( you can

compare with yourself) will praise Harbhajan in response to all due criticism.

Harbhajan indeed played well but is it wise to focus only on Harbhajan's

play,ignoring or rather refusing to accept the failures of team players on all

other fronts and the fact that team lost match badly which should have won

easily by this team? You are taking pride in Harbhajan's play(deliberately to

remove the focus from failures) who is non-regular batsman,when one should

be concerned of collective failures of all regular batsmen & bowlers and the

team's defeat.This might be optimism (foolish ?)for you; but for us, this

attitude will not make India , a developed nation,leave alone superpower.

I can see you are so irked by criticism of congress party that you are

started to see abusive language(when it is not there),posting by kids in this

forum ( :rofland commenting on the education levels of others.

You've to introspect as every corrupt congressman ought to do.

 

[2021]

Yes for me terming some politicians is an abuse. I may be anti-facists/anti-extremists but I ain't pro-congress. I don't vouch dividing people in name of caste, religion and colour or party doing appeasement of anyone. I'm pro government and pro-Indian and I see better side of India and it's future. If I start blasting congress in next posts and people term me Gadkari or Advani it'll be bigger insult than that calling me Rahul or Manish Tiwari.

Coming back to Anna, I'm not against corruption but against janlokpal movement and people supporting it and mass-hysteria behind all this. Issue is applaudable and I was under 700 person of 5 lacs facebook followers who liked and linked India against corruption and when Anna's agitation was just 2 days old and Indians were going gaga on team India's world cup performance. But then issue become smaller in front of few men who kept blackmailing parilament. As I said and as things now stands, we are making a supreme law and not 2 minutes maggie whereas you hold gun and start negotiating only as hostage crisis. If you have people power behind and if you have good vision not even govt will do anything. But putting deadlines, calling for removing standing commitee, several clauses for which fight began. That was not done. And can anyone answer where are those demands now? Did people demanded 2-3 points resolution when Anna was arrested? Look what you got from all this drama. As for share market we lost a government which was coming on track in lieu with new reforms.

And who is Anna to preach nation? “We do not call Ralegan Siddhi a village. We call it a family in which Annajee is the headman and we are the people who provide service to the family. Here Hindus mean Marathas only. We Chamars and Mahars are never called Hindus. How can we claim that everybody is equal here? People who have land or jobs in the military have a different level of development. There is a lot of difference between them and me.” http://kafila.org/2011/04/14/the-making-of-an-authority-anna-hazare-in-ralegan-siddhi/ google ralegan siddhi hindu chamar if you can't go there and see the result. People call him 2nd Gandhi. Gandhi worked to eradicate untoucable but Anna's own developed village is high-caste dominated.

I wrote enough about what is bad in lokpal drafted by Team Anna and govt one was much worst. Well for a good debate or discussion one has to be able to listen and know both side of coins. Anna may be God for few who beats thier wife, drinks, breaks traffic rules, will never drink water at lower caste person or even those who never did anything wrong since birth but for me he ain't Gandhi. He's just a bad precident for parliament and democracy.

 

[2021]

Most of your statements are based on misconceptions &

misunderstandings,either inadvertent or deliberate.Issue is corruption & its

consequences,and you are diverting issue,discussing irrelevant topics,trying

to link them to corruption,praising congress & making readers feel as if Anna

and his supporters are your personal enemy.(peculiar to congressman who

can't bear criticism)

Your post reminded me of the cricket match played long ago between India

and some b-grade team (like bangladesh,Zimbabwe etc).Indian top & middle

batsmen failed,only Harbhajan scored significant runs,30 or 40.Indian players'

fielding also was not up to the mark and India lost that match badly.Now the

blind & die-hard fan and probably who have got vested interest,( you can

compare with yourself) will praise Harbhajan in response to all due criticism.

Harbhajan indeed played well but is it wise to focus only on Harbhajan's

play,ignoring or rather refusing to accept the failures of team players on all

other fronts and the fact that team lost match badly which should have won

easily by this team? You are taking pride in Harbhajan's play(deliberately to

remove the focus from failures) who is non-regular batsman,when one should

be concerned of collective failures of all regular batsmen & bowlers and the

team's defeat.This might be optimism (foolish ?)for you; but for us, this

attitude will not make India , a developed nation,leave alone superpower.

I can see you are so irked by criticism of congress party that you are

started to see abusive language(when it is not there),posting by kids in this

forum ( :rofland commenting on the education levels of others.

You've to introspect as every corrupt congressman ought to do.

I made 2 posts for which people are calling me pro-congress. Can you show me 1 line where I said hail Rahul Baba or Sonia Gandhi Jindabad? Just because I called a killer killer or termed whole drama is RSS backed you all accuse me of being a congressmen? I was not irked by anti-congress posts I stated what governement did in past 64 years and what you as in all who posted did. Truth is bitter and realty hurts. When you preach and do nothing for nation you start blame game. I gave a detailed 64 year economic, histoic and logical reason of our being not so developed. Did that make me congressmen? I posted relivent backgrounds, data and set of happening in history, economics or society which didn't led us to what we really want to makes me congressmen? Stop abusing me for God's sake. And reason for education is without reading perspective of my posts and making a sensible reply someone called me Rahul or something and all started following like very Indian "bhed-chaal". Read my 2 posts again and tell me where I praised congress. I don't like the opposition party does not means I like congress. I'm an Indian 1st.

 

[rahuld2976]

If I start blasting congress in next posts and people term me Gadkari or Advani it'll be bigger insult than that calling me Rahul or Manish Tiwari.

This line from yours post shows who you are.

For you, not nation but congress comes first.

Have some rest.

 

[2021]

This line from yours post shows who you are.

For you, not nation but congress comes first.

Have some rest.

You go and read something constructive before joining any debates and discussion young chap. If Rahul is an insult, Gadkari is bigger insult. I hope your IQ levels tells you difference between a cow and a buffalo. I already said I'm anti-extremists and anti-facists and pro-Indian and pro-development. Child, go and read what is facsits or extemeist. They are, just like you in this discussion, not contructive but distructive to nation. For not so old example, 2 days dharna, rasta roko, gherao of parliament on fuel price rise and result? Shiela Dixit name in CAG, not allowing parliament to work on Shiela issue and forgetting in 3 days? If congress led UPA is raising inflation why don't BJP do something for nation seriously? If CAG reports unearth and ministers go in jail why BJP don't makes this issue? What is stopping them? Gandhi said bigger culprit is one who keeps quite even on seeing the misdeed. Aren't they black sheep as much as congress? What are bajrang dals and VHPs? Some NGO? Congress is bad BJP is worst. Congress is unees but BJP is 20. Just like last 2 election where congress didn't win but BJP lost, I've opinion of mine just like those those who made this goverenment.

I won't post in this thread. TJ is full of extremists and distructive people who will ruin this nation. Bye from me. Have fun! God bless all. God bless India.

 

[rahuld2976]

You go and read something constructive before joining any debates and discussion young chap. If Rahul is an insult, Gadkari is bigger insult. I hope your IQ levels tells you difference between a cow and a buffalo. I already said I'm anti-extremists and anti-facists and pro-Indian and pro-development. Child, go and read what is facsits or extemeist. They are, just like you in this discussion, not contructive but distructive to nation. For not so old example, 2 days dharna, rasta roko, gherao of parliament on fuel price rise and result? Shiela Dixit name in CAG, not allowing parliament to work on Shiela issue and forgetting in 3 days? If congress led UPA is raising inflation why don't BJP do something for nation seriously? If CAG reports unearth and ministers go in jail why BJP don't makes this issue? What is topping them? Aren't they black sheep as much as congress? What are bajrang dals and VHPs? Some NGO? Congress is bad BJP is worst. Congress is unees but BJP is 20. Just like last 2 election where congress didn't win but BJP lost, I've opinion of mine those who made this goverenment.

That's it. :lol:

That is a congress culture.You can't face criticism.

You must be politician from ruling party or corrupt bureaucrat or corrupt

govt. employee fearing of passing the Lokpal bill.There is no reason to panic

just now,as implementation of this bill will not be possible in near future and

may be at the time of implementation,the amended bill might be toothless.so,

don't worry,you can carry on your corrupt practices even after passing of

this bill.

one more thing.Before participating in any debate/discussion,one should gets

his/her temper right.You've lost your temper for the reasons you know

better.

You've been very loyal to congress (you may beat dogs in respect of loyalty)

, now go and work on your temper.

Don't get too much excited as that might be injurious to your health at this

age.

Take care. ( shall I call you old and useless fellow?) :thumb:

 

[praveen taneja]

Friends I request you both to pls control your temper and going on personnel better think on what is happened what is happening and what can be done in future.

Politics is mud whenever a debate start on this mostly end in mudslinging thats why i avoid that topic.

Anna and his intension good or bad for country it would come in front of country in a year or two but his topics are most with hand in hand of Baba Ramdev who now have a think tank on most of topics which include Judges lawyers Dr. Rajeev and so many people whom we can call patriots and Loyal to nation.

Na Raja Rahega Na Raani Rahegi Ye Maati sabhi ki Kahaani Kahegi

 

[praveen taneja]

Congress Party has always openly used investigative agencies against its opponents. Please read the Pioneer's editorial Below:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/364148/CBI-a-weapon-of-offence.html