1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures - Bac

Whether the latest MTP v2.2 tool is useful?

  • YES. The tool helps to take safe positions using FLOW and Renko Charts

    Votes: 26 92.9%
  • NO. The tool is not useful

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

healthraj

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Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

Friends if u have time go through this video
The 7 Habits Of A Highly Successful Trader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsOfv_QKl2A&feature=related
please use head phone for clarity
It was good to listen. J

Some points that I noted down while listening to the Audio (It is not a Video)

1. Analyse your personality
2. Minimum three years is needed to be successful and so start with less investment and assume that you are going to loose everything that you invest in the first three years. It would be the fees that you pay to become a Trader. It is like the time and money you need to become an engineer or doctor or teacher or any other profession. Every profession needs time and Stock market also needs Money
3. Never be satisfied with your trading system and so improve your system
4. Be more disciplined and daily work on your discipline
5. Sound money management plan - Even if you are successful trader ALWAYS LEARN FROM MISTAKE
6. Read some books on Basic stock markets
7. REad books on Money management,
8. Stock market is not for Everyone as Evevybody as everybody cannot become a doctor or a dancer. So Analyse your personality.
9. Open a trading account with a small amount and expect to loose ALL the amount in 3 years. So invest very less. This would be fees that you pay to learn TRADING.
10. Develop a Plan and Keep improving the plan for 2-3 years.
11. If profession like Engineers study for 5 years to earn 50K in a month. To earn more 50K or more in a month in Stock market you have to invest more time in Stock market than 5 years.
12. So be patient while you are learning. You cannot become a doctor while you are learning. You only become a doctor after 5 years.
13. So start risking different % in the first three years to see the results you get. Do not always trade with 2% risk or 1% risk. You will not learn anything
14. You have to do atleast 100 Paper Trades before starting really.
15. Put a Plan and Follow the plan
16. Follow your rules
17. Have your own system and Follow your system
18. After 3 years you will start to make profit
19. Are you willing to spent three years to start getting profits. If not Quit Trading now.
20. Develop Positive Self Belief.
21. Extensive BackTesting of your system is necessary to get the confidence in the system Until you have confidence in the system and you have backtested DO NOT use the system.
22. Examine your Belief system about Trading. For example if You think Stock market as a Casino then QUIT immediately. How much returns possible? How long do you invest atfter market hours? Do you think it is just simple like spending 10 minutes a day will give you 10000 then QUIT Trading.
23. Normally problem and solution come from within. The solution or problem is not outside you.
24. Experience comes only from time. So invest small amount... For first three years trade for points and not for Money
26. So MONEY should be out of your mind for three years
27. Start TRADING with the assumption that you are going to Trade at least for 20 years.
28. TRADER = RULE FOLLOWER
29. EMOTIONS - ELIMINATE
30. RESPONSIBILITY - Take Responsibility like Doctors take responsibility for their surgeries
31. D - Discipline
32. Balanced Life is necessary to Trader like any other profession. So plan you 9 to 6 like any work.
33. Successful Trader - Very Relaxed
34. Excitement, Emotions Eliminate
35. Focus away from markets
36. Stock Trading should be Boring, effortless, and not exciting and emotion. If it is not bring and effortless then QUIT trading.


Just summarizing the final six questions so that it would motivate others. There is no answer or solution in the 60 minute Audio. The audio simply says that YOU are the Problem and YOU ONLY can be the solution.

If you can follow and understand the following 6 questions and answers then you are a successful trader. One question leads to another

1. How can I become a Successful Trader?
View trading as Game of points and not as Money

2. How do I do view market as points and not as Money?
Have complete Self belief in your system and Belief in Yourself

3. How do I get this Self Belief?
Do the ground work (hardwork) on your system and yourself. Keep working towards excellence (Or Perfection)

4. Where should I do the ground work?
Plan for every eventuality in every trade with the finer details considering all the posibilities. Develop the discipline to follow the Rules regardless of anything.

5. How do I plan a trade?
Either start from Scratch and Build a successful system that fits your Personality.

6. How do I find that successful system?
Hahaha... The most difficult. Take Responsibility now and Build that system.

So what are the Seven habits
1. Take responsibility
2. Have a system that suits your personality
3. Plan every trade to the finest detail
4. Do the Ground work
5. Complete Self confidence in system and Skill
6. See the market as Point based and not money based
7. Finally the Attitude towards the market - We cannot control markets and we can control ourselves
 
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healthraj

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Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

Hope some of you are going deeper into the Flow and might be having some doubts on How this Pivots are used to Generate the "BUY ABOVE" and "SELL BELOW" signals. Those who have gone through the SAINT's FLOW method would understand. If you have not understood I will try to explain (Not going too much into the FLOW method but by using the Pivots formed in our FLOW chart).

Please see the FLOW chart attached. (I have slightly modifed the EMA from 10 to 3.5 to get this chart). I have mentioned howto modify the EMA in my previous post.



On Friday the market opened around 5369 and previous day pivot (See REnko chart) was

BUY ABOVE - 5382.
SELL BELOW - 5357.
Market Opened at 5369.

For First trading opportunity the PivotLow(PL) is 5357 and Pivot High is (PH) 5382...

Always remember to take positions only LONG Above PH and SHORT below PL
1. When market crossed 5382 around 9:35, We could have gone LONG Keeping the PL (5357) as the stoploss (OR Whatver is your minimum stoploss)
2. So there is LONG positions open now
3. Market made a High 5399.
4. Market made a low 5391. (at this point the previous high of 5399 becomes a Pivot High)
5. Then made a high of 5396. At this point the previous low becomes a Pivot Low.
6. So when new Pivot Highs and Pivot Lows are made we have to adjust our stoploss points. In this case our stoploss would be shifted to 5391 the new Pivot Low....
7. And when the NIFTY made a Pivot low 5389 (L2), your stoploss (GAIN) would have triggered and your LONG position would have closed with a profit of 7 points.
8. Once you Quit your Long position, now you are looking for fresh opportunities.
9. Now the recommendation as per the pivot is BUY Above 5396 (H2) and Sell Below (5389). When market is trading in a such a close range (the gap should be at least twice the Renko Block size) , you would always apply some filter. Say I would put a filter of 4 points (our Renko block size) and modify my Recommendation to
BUY ABOVE 5400 (H2+4)
SELL BELOW 5385 (L2-4)
10. At H3, No Long Call triggered. Change your BUY ABOVE to H3+4, ie 5398
11. At L3, No Short Triggered
12. After L3, I would change my BUY Above to 5394 because the between L3 and H3 there is 8 points.
13. LONG Gets triggered once again above 5394 stoploss is 5386.
14. Market makes a high of 5400. and also Makes the High of the DAY and reverses.
15. Our Stoploss (LOSS) gets triggered at 5386. You make a loss of 8 points.
16. When you a make a loss at 5386, you should also REverse the positions and you will now GO Short below 5386.
17. Market made a low of 5342. Depending on your First Target you would have possibly booked 50% at 5361.
18. You are carrying another 50% positions...
19. Market Reverses and makes PH of 5363 and Pl of 5355...
20. Between L5 and H6, your outlook changes to LONG above 5363 and so you will close the rest of the short positions at 5363 and you ca GO LONG once again above 5363 or you can stop for the day... Hope you understand...

Remember we are not taking any positions at H4 or L4.

Buy Low and Sell High is literally not possible. We only trade after we confirm the Trend and we trade with the Trend and the Flow..

To Summarise our opening and closing positions...

1. LONG above Previous Day PH of 5382.
2. CLOSE LONG 100% at PL (L2) - Stoploss hit
3. GO LONG once again above H3.
4. CLOSE LONG with loss below L3 - Stoploss hit
5. Open SHORT positions below L3.
6. Close 50% SHORT on the way to L4.
7. Close the Rest of Short Positions above H5. - Stoploss Hit
8. So like this Flow goes on and On...

NOTE: For the Recommendations I have used the Pivot Lows (SELL BELOW) and Pivot HIGHs (BUY ABOVE). I have just done one improvisation there, which is instead of taking jsut one pivot point, I have taken the two most recent pivot lows and highs and drawn a "BUY ABOVE" line and "SELL BELOW" line. That is the reason sometimes you see a slanting line and not a Straight horizontal line
 
Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

Hope some of you are going deeper into the Flow and might be having some doubts on How this Pivots are used to Generate the "BUY ABOVE" and "SELL BELOW" signals. Those who have gone through the SAINT's FLOW method would understand. If you have not understood I will try to explain (Not going too much into the FLOW method but by using the Pivots formed in our FLOW chart).

Please see the FLOW chart attached. (I have slightly modifed the EMA from 10 to 3.5 to get this chart). I have mentioned howto modify the EMA in my previous post.



On Friday the market opened around 5369 and previous day pivot (See REnko chart) was

BUY ABOVE - 5382.
SELL BELOW - 5357.
Market Opened at 5369.

For First trading opportunity the PivotLow(PL) is 5357 and Pivot High is (PH) 5382...

Always remember to take positions only LONG Above PH and SHORT below PL
1. When market crossed 5382 around 9:35, We could have gone LONG Keeping the PL (5357) as the stoploss (OR Whatver is your minimum stoploss)
2. So there is LONG positions open now
3. Market made a High 5399.
4. Market made a low 5391. (at this point the previous high of 5399 becomes a Pivot High)
5. Then made a high of 5396. At this point the previous low becomes a Pivot Low.
6. So when new Pivot Highs and Pivot Lows are made we have to adjust our stoploss points. In this case our stoploss would be shifted to 5391 the new Pivot Low....
7. And when the NIFTY made a Pivot low 5389 (L2), your stoploss (GAIN) would have triggered and your LONG position would have closed with a profit of 7 points.
8. Once you Quit your Long position, now you are looking for fresh opportunities.
9. Now the recommendation as per the pivot is BUY Above 5396 (H2) and Sell Below (5389). When market is trading in a such a close range (the gap should be at least twice the Renko Block size) , you would always apply some filter. Say I would put a filter of 4 points (our Renko block size) and modify my Recommendation to
BUY ABOVE 5400 (H2+4)
SELL BELOW 5385 (L2-4)
10. At H3, No Long Call triggered. Change your BUY ABOVE to H3+4, ie 5398
11. At L3, No Short Triggered
12. After L3, I would change my BUY Above to 5394 because the between L3 and H3 there is 8 points.
13. LONG Gets triggered once again above 5394 stoploss is 5386.
14. Market makes a high of 5400. and also Makes the High of the DAY and reverses.
15. Our Stoploss (LOSS) gets triggered at 5386. You make a loss of 8 points.
16. When you a make a loss at 5386, you should also REverse the positions and you will now GO Short below 5386.
17. Market made a low of 5342. Depending on your First Target you would have possibly booked 50% at 5361.
18. You are carrying another 50% positions...
19. Market Reverses and makes PH of 5363 and Pl of 5355...
20. Between L5 and H6, your outlook changes to LONG above 5363 and so you will close the rest of the short positions at 5363 and you ca GO LONG once again above 5363 or you can stop for the day... Hope you understand...

Remember we are not taking any positions at H4 or L4.

Buy Low and Sell High is literally not possible. We only trade after we confirm the Trend and we trade with the Trend and the Flow..

To Summarise our opening and closing positions...

1. LONG above Previous Day PH of 5382.
2. CLOSE LONG 100% at PL (L2) - Stoploss hit
3. GO LONG once again above H3.
4. CLOSE LONG with loss below L3 - Stoploss hit
5. Open SHORT positions below L3.
6. Close 50% SHORT on the way to L4.
7. Close the Rest of Short Positions above H5. - Stoploss Hit
8. So like this Flow goes on and On...

NOTE: For the Recommendations I have used the Pivot Lows (SELL BELOW) and Pivot HIGHs (BUY ABOVE). I have just done one improvisation there, which is instead of taking jsut one pivot point, I have taken the two most recent pivot lows and highs and drawn a "BUY ABOVE" line and "SELL BELOW" line. That is the reason sometimes you see a slanting line and not a Straight horizontal line
my humble opinion is we could backtest with the following rules which may avoid from incurring huge SL : 1. buy after a close above L3(we will be buying it cheap, so more buyer interest) 2. sell after a close below h3(we will be selling it costly) I am sure we will end with very good results!:)
 

healthraj

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Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

my humble opinion is we could backtest with the following rules which may avoid from incurring huge SL : 1. buy after a close above L3(we will be buying it cheap, so more buyer interest) 2. sell after a close below h3(we will be selling it costly) I am sure we will end with very good results!:)
Do not understand your Logic... L3 and H3 are now gone... Because after L3 and H3 the market came DOWN and is now going UP. So now you have to see the UP Trend starting from L4.

The major Resistance is at H4 (5400) and major support is at L4 (5342).

So if I understand correctly, I think you want to play a BREAKOUT or BREAKDOWN. For a BREAKOUT or BREAKDOWN you have to look for Major Pivot Highs and Major Pivot Lows and Take long above H4 and Short below L4.
 
Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

Do not understand your Logic... L3 and H3 are now gone... Because after L3 and H3 the market came DOWN and is now going UP. So now you have to see the UP Trend starting from L4.

The major Resistance is at H4 (5400) and major support is at L4 (5342).

So if I understand correctly, I think you want to play a BREAKOUT or BREAKDOWN. For a BREAKOUT or BREAKDOWN you have to look for Major Pivot Highs and Major Pivot Lows and Take long above H4 and Short below L4.
Thanks Mr.Raj do u have afl for flow chart and renko chart pls
 

healthraj

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Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

Thanks Mr.Raj do u have afl for flow chart and renko chart pls
I think you are new to this Thread. I have no idea on Amibroker or AFL. For the time being I have no intention of using Amibroker because I am quite happy with my Excel system. :) Hope some of the other thread members are developing some AFL. Please go through the entire thread. You will understand what I am saying
 
Re: 1 lakh to 652 lakhs in 497 trading days - Winning 20% of Trade in NIFTY Futures -

I think you are new to this Thread. I have no idea on Amibroker or AFL. For the time being I have no intention of using Amibroker because I am quite happy with my Excel system. :) Hope some of the other thread members are developing some AFL. Please go through the entire thread. You will understand what I am saying
i have ur latest sys with renko chart so thought that chart had some afl code.sorry
 

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