Why market always exist? but traders always do not exist continuously

[ryan4ucar]

You guys go in and out of a trade in such a short time. What do you do with the fundamentals?!

fundamentals ko mast tel mein fry karke khate hain hum log ;-) chill man y do you get so aggresive all the time ?

 

[ryan4ucar]

"They call us gamblers.
They say we depend on luck.
They claim that no one can beat the market and we're wasting our time.
This isn't a real job. We should give up our hobby they say.

But if theу only knew...

That we're the masters of risk,
the essence of entrepreneurial spirit,
the liquidity of the economy.
We trade the currencies you circulate when you shop.
We trade the companies you work for each day.
We trade the gold on the watch on your wrist.
We are not afraid to take losses, to talk about our losses, to rebound from our losses. Those are our defining moments.

Discipline and self awareness are our companions.

We are what you've always wished you could be!
We are traders


Wow......man... Doesn't it feel Super Powerful..

Ps: its an extract from a video that I always watch each day before I start my trade.

hhaah real cool

 

[ryan4ucar]

After going through the thread and the war of words i can say only one thing and please fix this in your head.

Markets dont exist to serve investers or traders , Markets dont exist to serve fundamental , technical or the menatal guys .

The sole purpose of the secondary markets is to provide liquidity and only liquidity.

So buy and sell all you want and if you loose there is always forums like these tailor made to come and cry

 

[SaravananKS]

Use the markets the way they were meant to be used! Then tell me if you lost money. Do you think HNI and FII do technical analysis? Mutual funds who have given constant return for so long do they use technical analysis?

The commodity market is no place for a retail investor unless you want to hedge against inflation by buying gold or silver.

The fixed income and equity market (NOT EVEN F&O) are the domain of retail investor.

I don't care if you agree with me or disagree with me, but arbitrage and value/income investing is the only way to constantly make money in the market. I am just speaking my mind so dont give me examples of ST or raj sir.

Even professional gamblers with money management skills make alot of money.

As the lone FA guy in this forum everyday I see people run after new AFLs run after new methods. Keep searching for the holy grail that is not there! I see that most of them make loss and keep making loss. Those who do make profit hide behind numbers inflated by leverage. Save a few.

Tell me if trading is more risky than investing would you rather use leverage for investing or trading? But some people dont get that in their head and use leverage for such a speculative activity and hide behind technical analysis just to gain some confidence in their gamble. This is how people get thrown on the road side due to the market, then they blame the market for being a casino.

You guys see price movement and charts. I see the reasons why the price moved. I see what is actually going on around the economy. You guys see volume. I see the economic data and news.

People say that the price made such a pattern and it broke out. Did you ever see why the price made such a pattern? It is not the price that moves the market. It is the fundamentals that move the market higher and higher and make it crash in a depression.

Price movement is there but also understand what is making the price move. Its not a magical thing on your screen that keeps going up and down. And you just have to buy that blip on your screen to profit.

That blip is an actual company where people work and have managers. When you buy that blip you become a proud OWNER of that multi national company. The company is yours and rewards you by dividends and as people realize the FUNDAMENTALS of the company the price starts increasing.

As a fundamentalist I have taken a lot of flak from technical analysis supporters. I have been called funda-MENTAL, one guy said I am a failure at TA so I said "angoor khatte hain" and joined FA. That is not the case, I always understood the benefits of FA and why the worlds greatest investment banks use FA to make deals, Mergers and Acquisitions don't see charts and see support or resistance and decide chalo support is at rs.100 per share so i will pay that only. They use FA to find out the value of the company.But my friends there is another side of the coin that you should explore. Don't dream of becoming rich in a week or over night. With 25% return only without leverage you can become rich in 10 years and constantly keep getting rich while you surf in miami or go live in a hill station or go on a world tour.

If you stay alive or not your portfolio will feed your family. What will you do when your eyes are too weak from reading charts all day?

If you have a portfolio you will get dividend in retirement. You will leave behind a heritage for your generations.

Mr G

in NSE (Not in BSE) now more than 50% of stocks trading lower than their 2008 low.... Those who invested in these companies lost hope of stock market

even one had invested randomly 50 stocks in 1993 could not able made money better than Bank FD.....

in scenarios Pls tell me how a normal investor pick right stock and confidently hold for years...

you may say Mutual fund an option but how majority of MF not performing up to their Index.....


OK if you say investment on index ETF is better then What is Return one would got in last 5 years???....


You already agreed that traders (retail) in F&O or commodity market are speculating....

so money goes to one place to another place (it is circulated among traders) so traders who has better Knowledge and infrastructure pulls money from ignorant traders........ ( don't call loosers as stupid traders I have seen many intelligent people lost money in this market while some lucky guys still making money with out knowing any thing )

So my question what is Wrong if one call trading as gambling ( both cases money cirlulated) in gambling casino owners get benefit where in stock market brokers and govt enjoying revenue

 

[Mr.G]

Mr G

in NSE (Not in BSE) now more than 50% of stocks trading lower than their 2008 low.... Those who invested in these companies lost hope of stock market

even one had invested randomly 50 stocks in 1993 could not able made money better than Bank FD.....

in scenarios Pls tell me how a normal investor pick right stock and confidently hold for years...

you may say Mutual fund an option but how majority of MF not performing up to their Index.....


OK if you say investment on index ETF is better then What is Return one would got in last 5 years???....


You already agreed that traders (retail) in F&O or commodity market are speculating....

so money goes to one place to another place (it is circulated among traders) so traders who has better Knowledge and infrastructure pulls money from ignorant traders........ ( don't call loosers as stupid traders I have seen many intelligent people lost money in this market while some lucky guys still making money with out knowing any thing )

So my question what is Wrong if one call trading as gambling ( both cases money cirlulated) in gambling casino owners get benefit where in stock market brokers and govt enjoying revenue

Tujhe pata hai out of all those companies 90% are bullshit. People dont know ABCD of fundamental analysis and invest with blind eyes. Out of thousands of listed companies I follow 8 that is it! 8 Companies worth investing in RIGHT NOW.

Look up my posts history son, I hate MFs they are money traps. I hate market ETF as they give you same return as market and no regular income.

Read my thread in fundamental analysis section and then come to me with your questions. People invest in wrong place and blame market. Why should you select random 50 companies are you mad? There are fantastic companies out there that will give better return in FD and 3 times return in long term. They provide regular income and capital gains.

Fundamental analysis is very very very difficult to do. It is not easy cheese cake that you might be thinking. Have you seen thickness of fundamental analysis book? Did you know that all professional analysts write a thesis on each investment they make? Keep in contact with me if you are interested in learning real FA.

 

[eq24]

As some one very new to this arena, I would just like to point what I am understanding of Trading since around 2 months of reading and studying. In this time I have studied Buffet, Lynch and Murphy and I think how it works is like this.

1) Long term Fundamental Analysis always works. Technical is doubtful, maybe it does but I have to still understand.

2) Mid term TA has more provenance as there are times the market takes time to adjust to the fundamental values of a company.

3) Short Term TA almost always works, if you follow Ranbaxy's stock for example it is following TA quite well but fundamentally Ranbaxy is a chor company.

However TA and FA can not explain certain things, The Syrian war, Draghi's speech or the tapering of QE by Bernanke.

So I am going to go ahead and make my strategy of following news papers and keeping my 70 strong trading list updated for any short fall or high and TA all these stocks for signals constantly checking FA to confirm.

As a soon to become day trader if some one tells me to read the balance sheet of a company and then place a buy order, by the time I will be done who knows where the share will be. Also a FA approach requires a very deep pocket to play, trading using TA even with 20,000 Rs is possible.

 

[SaravananKS]

Tujhe pata hai out of all those companies 90% are bullshit. People dont know ABCD of fundamental analysis and invest with blind eyes. Out of thousands of listed companies I follow 8 that is it! 8 Companies worth investing in RIGHT NOW.

Look up my posts history son, I hate MFs they are money traps. I hate market ETF as they give you same return as market and no regular income.

Read my thread in fundamental analysis section and then come to me with your questions. People invest in wrong place and blame market. Why should you select random 50 companies are you mad? There are fantastic companies out there that will give better return in FD and 3 times return in long term. They provide regular income and capital gains.

Fundamental analysis is very very very difficult to do. It is not easy cheese cake that you might be thinking. Have you seen thickness of fundamental analysis book? Did you know that all professional analysts write a thesis on each investment they make? Keep in contact with me if you are interested in learning real FA.

Hello,

it is Strange statement from you that you are saying Just 8 companies are good that means all are Fraud....

OK....
You said that only 8 companies will give good return over the period and dad you claim your self as fund manager... then How I can believe your words???

I had followed many fund managers advice who gave n no of useless fundamental Figures... I even visited some companies they are functioning very well...


then Only I invested still making negative return..... ( some companies Purposefully showing negative results to buy back their share at lower levels)

So in india there is no ranking for fund advisors or Technical analysts ??

many of fund managers advice to invest only spare saving in equity market

are you suggesting to an investor to work hard to manage this savings ???

Who will do all this ?? an Ordinary man getting good profit in real estate then what is the use of studying all these...


here we are Traders(Gamblers ??) are aiming more return than real estate

 

[whisky]

As some one very new to this arena, I would just like to point what I am understanding of Trading since around 2 months of reading and studying. In this time I have studied Buffet, Lynch and Murphy and I think how it works is like this.

1) Long term Fundamental Analysis always works. Technical is doubtful, maybe it does but I have to still understand.

2) Mid term TA has more provenance as there are times the market takes time to adjust to the fundamental values of a company.

3) Short Term TA almost always works, if you follow Ranbaxy's stock for example it is following TA quite well but fundamentally Ranbaxy is a chor company.

However TA and FA can not explain certain things, The Syrian war, Draghi's speech or the tapering of QE by Bernanke.

So I am going to go ahead and make my strategy of following news papers and keeping my 70 strong trading list updated for any short fall or high and TA all these stocks for signals constantly checking FA to confirm.

As a soon to become day trader if some one tells me to read the balance sheet of a company and then place a buy order, by the time I will be done who knows where the share will be. Also a FA approach requires a very deep pocket to play, trading using TA even with 20,000 Rs is possible.

Good start, Keep it up:thumb:

 

[Mr.G]

Hello,

it is Strange statement from you that you are saying Just 8 companies are good that means all are Fraud....

OK....
You said that only 8 companies will give good return over the period and dad you claim your self as fund manager... then How I can believe your words???

I had followed many fund managers advice who gave n no of useless fundamental Figures... I even visited some companies they are functioning very well...


then Only I invested still making negative return..... ( some companies Purposefully showing negative results to buy back their share at lower levels)

So in india there is no ranking for fund advisors or Technical analysts ??

many of fund managers advice to invest only spare saving in equity market

are you suggesting to an investor to work hard to manage this savings ???

Who will do all this ?? an Ordinary man getting good profit in real estate then what is the use of studying all these...


here we are Traders(Gamblers ??) are aiming more return than real estate

I am sorry to hear about your loss, But I tract only 8 companies as in currently in the market there are only 8 companies that meet my investing standards. And I never stopped anyone from investing in property.

By your speech I can understand that you have no knowledge of fundamental analysis and you just made an educated gamble at the most. And you are also financially illiterate. For how long do you think that the real estate bull run will continue? People said the same thing about gold. They said the same thing about stocks in '07. All bull runs end, All hearts are broken.

I wont reply to you after this. You are clearly a retard.

 

[Mr.G]

As some one very new to this arena, I would just like to point what I am understanding of Trading since around 2 months of reading and studying. In this time I have studied Buffet, Lynch and Murphy and I think how it works is like this.

1) Long term Fundamental Analysis always works. Technical is doubtful, maybe it does but I have to still understand.

2) Mid term TA has more provenance as there are times the market takes time to adjust to the fundamental values of a company.

3) Short Term TA almost always works, if you follow Ranbaxy's stock for example it is following TA quite well but fundamentally Ranbaxy is a chor company.

However TA and FA can not explain certain things, The Syrian war, Draghi's speech or the tapering of QE by Bernanke.

So I am going to go ahead and make my strategy of following news papers and keeping my 70 strong trading list updated for any short fall or high and TA all these stocks for signals constantly checking FA to confirm.

As a soon to become day trader if some one tells me to read the balance sheet of a company and then place a buy order, by the time I will be done who knows where the share will be. Also a FA approach requires a very deep pocket to play, trading using TA even with 20,000 Rs is possible.

Your keeping track of FA of 70 companies?! :O Your a god! It takes a week to research on one company and you have researched 70 and keeping track of them? Amazing.