Confessions of a banknifty trader

niftytaurus

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There’s Only 2 Kinds of Traders Making Money

There are hundreds of trading styles out there. There are dozens of markets to trade. There are multiple time-frames to trade on. But there are only 2 kinds of traders that are making any money. And the only question you need to be asking yourself is: am I one of them?

If you are one of these types of traders, you know it. And your trading statements show it. If you’re not, that doesn’t mean you should panic. You just need to transform yourself. And that’s very possible to do once you see the need for it and commit yourself to the correct path.

So what are the two types of profitable traders? Well, to understand that, you have to realize there are two basic ways to make money as a short-term trader (we’re not talking investors here). One way is through a purely mechanical system or algorithm that has a consistent edge. The other way is through judgment or discretion to consistently gain an edge. That’s not any special insight. In fact, it’s pretty common knowledge. But what isn’t common knowledge is how to actually do either one of those things.

The First Kind

Starting with the mechanical or algorithmic side, I see so many traders, especially on the forex side, buying systems. Systems that are back-tested for years and can supposedly bring great consistent profits. Let me tell you from now, if you’re one of those traders that’s always searching for a great system, it’s never going to happen for you. Why not? That brings us to our first type of profitable trader. You see, the consistently profitable mechanical trader is someone who is extremely versed in programming, math, and statistics. First and foremost, he knows how to back-test correctly, and how to avoid the multitude of statistical biases and errors that can arise. Even traders who aren’t looking for a magic system often make the mistake of thinking that their back-testing has any merit. More often than not, it’s mired in numerous statistical errors that leave it not only incorrect, but worse yet dangerous to their trading account. Trust me when I tell you the math and statistics of correct back-testing and system building are extremely complicated. Unless you’re a math and statistics whiz, you don’t stand a chance.

But there’s another quality that the profitable mechanical trader has that separates him from the rest. And that’s that he truly understands the markets in a deep way. This is of vast importance because market conditions (like volatility and directional conviction) are cyclical and they go through different kinds of patterns over time. So even if you were given a solid algorithmic system by a great mechanical trader, you still wouldn’t be able to make money from it over long periods of time because it would need to be fine-tuned to adapt to changing conditions. Also, the great mechanical traders will often have several systems and they’ll choose which ones to employ at what times based on their deep understanding of market behavior. Not as easy as it seemed is it?

The Second Kind

This is the type of trader that most are familiar with and can relate to: the discretionary trader that makes ongoing decisions to trade the market. But what is the profile of the profitable discretionary trader? It’s simply this: he thinks and trades contextually.

Like the profitable mechanical trader, the successful discretionary trader has a deep understanding of how the markets work. And he takes that understanding and analyzes everything through its lens. There is no focus on indicators and patterns like the vast majority of traders. No. This trader knows that those things mean nothing out of context. They cannot be traded in a vacuum. So this trader focuses on complex contextual analysis. He uses simple principles and techniques, but puts them within a complex mental map of the markets. Why complex? Well, because the markets are complex. This trader doesn’t listen to all the false gurus and educators out there who don’t really trade and who say that you need to focus purely on simplicity. He realizes that simplicity is found in the principles and techniques (and he does keep those simple), but putting them into correct market context is anything but simple. It takes study, practice, and dedication over time. But it is possible. And that’s all this trader focuses on.

So while most traders are searching for patterns, and setups, and indicator combinations, the profitable discretionary trader is honing his skill-set of reading the market. He is building ever-more complex mental maps of how the markets really work, and always putting things into context. And this separates him from the rest.

What Kind Are We?

If you’ve followed this blog for any length of time, you’ll realize that we are the second type of trader. We don’t have a passion for math, programming, and highly complex statistics, so we don’t try to back-test or build systems. We realize that unless we are top-notch in all those skill sets, we’re more likely to hurt than help ourselves by going that route. So we go the route of making discretionary decisions. This doesn’t mean that there is no structure to what we do. Far from it, we have a structured framework that we follow to guide our decisions and make sure they’re not random or inconsistent. But we don’t tell everyone it’s so simple and it can easily be done if you just learn our system. That would be misleading.

The reality is that it can be learned, but it’s not easy. It takes time, dedication, and effort. That’s why we built such a comprehensive training program when we set out to teach others what we do. We knew that we had to teach them not only trading techniques, but how to actually read the market, and how to think contextually. Very few out there in this industry are doing this. And that’s because it’s not popular. It’s much easier to sell education products that promise easy solutions that work super quickly. But that’s not reality. So we’ll take the unpopular route and tell you that it’s hard. And it takes time and dedication. But if you want it bad enough it’s more than possible. And if you want to join the ranks of profitable traders, you have to understand what it means and be willing to do anything and everything that it takes.

If this is you, then you too can be one of the 2 kinds of traders. And you’ll realize that the rewards of going this unpopular route can be truly remarkable.
source:INTERNET
 

niftytaurus

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If You Can’t Do This In Your Trading, You Will Fail

There’s one thing that, if you can’t do, will virtually guarantee failure for you as a trader. It’s counter-intuitive because it actually seems like you shouldn’t do it. But who said good trading was intuitive?

Not being able to do this one thing will be responsible for more missed opportunities than anything else I can think of. It’ll have you doing the wrong things, entering in the wrong places, and staying on the sidelines when you shouldn’t be.

So what is this thing? It’s not being able to sit comfortably with uncertainty. You see us human beings hate uncertainty and every part of us will fight that feeling. It seems very reasonable to want certainty. Yet in trading, wanting certainty will kill you. Instead of thinking in probabilities and taking trades with good odds or good reward-to-risk, you wait for the move to confirm by extending a bit more. You want to be certain that it’s the right trade to make and that you’re not making a bad decision. Instead of focusing on a few things and using those to develop correct mental maps of how the markets work, you look for more and more indicators and tools to increase your certainty. Instead of executing decisively, you hesitate and wait for more signals to line up.

But all you’re really doing in these instances is giving yourself a false sense of certainty. You’re making yourself feel better psychologically, but you aren’t actually improving the odds of any trade. To the contrary, you’re missing trades, and over-complicating your trading, and ultimately chasing moves that don’t wait for you while you’re trying to gain certainty.

So what’s the solution to this? Do what’s counter-intuitive. If it feels hard and uncomfortable… do it. And what could feel harder and more uncomfortable than accepting and sitting with uncertainty? Yet if you want a comforting thought, here’s one: do this and you instantly separate yourself from the masses. Because doing this puts you on the opposite side of the field. You’re no longer being run by your instinctual ‘caveman’ programming. Instead you’re choosing to reprogram your mind and think in a different way. And this will make all the difference.

So from now on when that feeling of needing certainty rises, don’t succumb to it. But also don’t fight it. You can’t fight what’s hardwired into you. Rather, choose the middle road and accept it. Sit with it. Let it be there. Do this from a place of awareness and a certain level of amused detachment. Wouldn’t you be amused if you saw a caveman in front of you? Well, in a sense you’re just looking at your inner caveman. So smile and sit with him, because when you don’t lose sight of him and you don’t fight with him, he can’t run the show.


SOURCE:INTERNET
 

XRAY27

Well-Known Member
Hi
As you know, i have stopped trading for sometime.In this mean time, i am pondering over my mistakes & trading problems..I realized its many..I am putting it here for new traders:
1) I have never fixed on a system..I kept changing my systems
2) I have learning of reading price action but not a plan to execute..so when market shakes, it mades me panic &I Take panic trades & over trade & lost a huge amount on 3-4 trades
3) most important, I learnt a lot..but real learning was watching real price charts & read observations..it was my plan to see atleast 5 year chart of that index..but i never did it..
4) I just learn & jump on trading without thinking...7 Then method failed &then again leave that method & learn new..
5) i was in a hurry of making money..that was wrong..I should have sticked to one method & manual tested it..observed it in real time..should have done paper trading..I just concentrate on results & goals but didnt not on procedure..if procedure is good , results will be there
6) I just did monkey trading..emotions was there because there is no objectivity..

& there are so many others problems also was there..
Now I have already learnt so much theorytically , now i need to learn practically..I just started doing Operation ,reading about how to do operations!..There is one step betwwen it, which I always skipped..that was OBSERVING OPERATIONS..I just need to sit back & need to observe price reaction on levels..Should have written my observation..& Paper traded my knowledge..& should have compare my result to Eod charts...there is so much learnign in that procedure, which I missed..So I haev to go back again to drawing boards..need to give some time To REAL LEARNING..
Thanks
Dear niftytaurus Bro !!!

I think you have deeply followed YTC or nifty nirvana...both has described many setups and you got confused in between them..and failed at execution level...i think i have coved my point in previous post

secondly you have to observe this on simulation of Ami for better understanding of this price action


Hi
Some methOds work in trending market & some in sideways market..i AM TRYING TO IMBIBE IN MY PLAN..that use different methods in different scenarios..we should trade trending & sideways market differently..how to recognise those markets, only experience & keen observation of price will tell this..experience will teaach us about different market..
I had read Pratap bhai's thread..But I didnt have amibroker..so I try to put soem concepts in Trade Tiger..but TT never have VWAP..so in trend it helps..in TT, i JUST HAVE 1 month data..so I didnt backtest much..
Today, I again read Pratap Bhai's thread..IT makes sense to me..But again, I stuck..AS i dotn know much about afl..& amibroker..Even If I dont use any afl, I need Amibroker for bar replay method to practise & back test Price action method..
I have ami 5.1..If somebody can provide me link of Ami newer versions..i will be greatful
thanks
Pratap sir, method is also complex not a simple one..it needs long practice ..
If you notice it is your ultimate hard work which is needed to construct a trade plan...off course you can use any of them (Price action or indicator based )for getting success...
just take your own time and get into market with better plan...
 
Nifty Taurus

Get comfortable!
a. Which indicator you prefer? or do you just read charts?
b. Identify the timeframe you trade? Are you a person who wants immediate results? Can you wait for 1 hr, 1 day or 1 week?
c. How soon do you react? Do you immediately close or reverse positions when you see a price movement or do you wait for a pre-determined time before you close out?

For starters, this will help you profile yourself better & then adopt a trading style that suits your profile.
 

narangji

Well-Known Member
Hi
As you know, i have stopped trading for sometime.In this mean time, i am pondering over my mistakes & trading problems..I realized its many..I am putting it here for new traders:
1) I have never fixed on a system..I kept changing my systems
2) I have learning of reading price action but not a plan to execute..so when market shakes, it mades me panic &I Take panic trades & over trade & lost a huge amount on 3-4 trades
3) most important, I learnt a lot..but real learning was watching real price charts & read observations..it was my plan to see atleast 5 year chart of that index..but i never did it..
4) I just learn & jump on trading without thinking...7 Then method failed &then again leave that method & learn new..
5) i was in a hurry of making money..that was wrong..I should have sticked to one method & manual tested it..observed it in real time..should have done paper trading..I just concentrate on results & goals but didnt not on procedure..if procedure is good , results will be there
6) I just did monkey trading..emotions was there because there is no objectivity..

& there are so many others problems also was there..
Now I have already learnt so much theorytically , now i need to learn practically..I just started doing Operation ,reading about how to do operations!..There is one step betwwen it, which I always skipped..that was OBSERVING OPERATIONS..I just need to sit back & need to observe price reaction on levels..Should have written my observation..& Paper traded my knowledge..& should have compare my result to Eod charts...there is so much learnign in that procedure, which I missed..So I haev to go back again to drawing boards..need to give some time To REAL LEARNING..
Thanks
Hi

Good to see this post, If I was you I will Highlight Point 5 Print in Max Font size available on my PC and read it over and over again and see all the other points will automatically be solved if we master point 5. :)
 

niftytaurus

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How Mark Twain & NBA Shooters Can Make You a Better Trader

There’s a lot to learn to become a good trader. A lot of market understanding, strategies, and techniques. But sometimes it’s the things that seem completely unrelated to trading that teach us the most about it. And our task is to find those analogies and to use them to our advantage. Find one different way of looking at things, and your whole trading can change.

How Mark Twain Can Make You a Better Trader

The inability to forget is infinitely more devastating than the inability to remember. – Mark Twain
Twain wasn’t talking about trading when he wrote this, but nothing rings more true to anyone who has traded the markets seriously. In life, if you can’t forget your failures, disappointments, and past hurts, you will be miserable. It’ll be hard to be happy, and you’ll have almost no chance to bounce back and succeed. It’s the same way in trading. Your inability to forget- losses, missed opportunities, mistakes- will kill your trading. You’ll be in a continually negative state of mind, full of doubt and low on confidence.

So the message is clear. You have to forget. You have to have what is called “instant amnesia” when it comes to losses and mistakes. Once they’ve happened, you instantly forget and move on. If there’s a lesson, take the lesson and move on. It’ll feel like you need to linger on it and punish yourself. Your mind tells you that you’re not taking things seriously or trying hard enough unless you make a big deal of it and keep it firmly in mind. But don’t fall for that trap. It’s not about mental effort. It’s about your bottom-line. And nothing will hurt you more than replaying losses and mistakes in your head over and over. So recognize the trap and ask yourself if you want to make things worse. If you don’t, simply let it go and move on. As unnatural and too “laid back” as that feels, it’s what gets results. And that’s all that matters.

How The Great NBA Shooters Can Make You a Better Trader

Not only do great NBA shooters practice instant amnesia, they take it a step further. If a great shooter like Reggie Miller makes his first few shots in a game, he thinks “Man… I’m on tonight. I can’t miss. I’m going to shoot amazing this game.” But if he misses his first few shots, he thinks “Man… I got the misses out of the way early. I’m going to shoot amazing this game.”

What? Whether they make their first shots or miss them, great shooters think they’re going to do great? Yes. As crazy as that sounds, it’s true. And for those people who are going to ask how they can have it both ways, the answer is that it’s all a matter of choice. Who said you can’t have it both ways? Who said you can’t be confident when you make them, and be confident when you miss them? You can believe whatever you want to. Ultimately, all beliefs are just lies. They are just our interpretation of reality. And they can be harmful lies or useful lies. Choose the useful ones. Be the architect of your life- and your trading.

Use Everything Around You

You don’t have to limit this to Mark Twain or NBA shooters. Every area of life is full of analogies that can help you in your trading. There are competitors in every field who deal with the same type of psychological issues as you, and who have found creative ways that can inspire you. There are philosophers who lived 2000 years ago that spoke truths that can raise your trading to another level. It’s all around you. Look for it, and cross it over to the world of trading.

And if you’re up for it, I have an assignment for you. I want you to find something outside of trading that can make you a better trader. Whether it’s from the world of sports, or chess, or philosophy, or politics, or anything in life, what is one insight you’ve heard or read about that you can transfer over to your trading? Really think about it, and stretch your mind. Because if you can find something that has personal meaning to you, it can really take your game to another level. And if you do find or already have something, I’d love to hear about it in the comments below. Let’s all help each other become better traders.
source:internet
 

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