"Acche din" for farmers..

[Krushna]

Jain.er, Krushna, since both of you are from the rural areas, please verify one statement to me. Some months ago, while travelling in train, a farmer told me that out of 100 seeds that they sow, they ultimately reap the benefit of only 20-25 seeds (averaging over a period of 5 years). Something always happens, either Act of God (too much or too little water/rain, sunshine, some insect attack etc..) or act of man (crop spoilage due to neglect, bad seed, bad fertilizer, enemity etc.). Is it true ? He also said that one good year's crop brings 3 years benefit, but is generally followed by 2-3 bad years of some or the other problems.

By the way, here is an interesting report about the farm labor wages.

Gujarat farm workers among lowest paid in the country

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Hi Timepass,
there is no formula in farming, thats what I came to know after being involved in this for past two years. Sometimes crop fails miserably, sometimes we get good harvest. And now the concept of daily wage is becoming a thing of past in farming. Now labourers form teams and do all the farm work on kind of "contract basis". And if you say no to the contract thing, they will work on daily wages, but will work so slowly that it will cost much more than that of the contract basis thing.

 

[jain.er]

1. Fertilizer subsidy is the largest of any other subsidy
2. Level plying field would be abused by farmers. No one minds paying higher price to farmers but its the middle man who is reaping profits
3. Politics is not black and white. He is trying to isolate congress so this much game playing is ok

@ tp just like yr all trades are non profitable all seeds don't germinate. Similarly all seasons won't be gud. To give you an example last year was too good for potato so this year all farmers planted potatoes and now its a glut; now they will cry hoarse ki maarr gaye Bhai agar akal she kaam nahi logay tau aisaa hi hoga....

 

[DSM]

Yep.... PM Modi is a 'practical' politician. Respects for him for his vision, but don't believe now in all he says.... getting black money from Swiss bank account and depositing 15 lacks in every individual's account was stretching it too far (the gullible can only blame themselves if they thought it was possible) but one should not forget that he was instrumental to get scam tainted Yedurappa back into BJP. Also, remember his one speech where he said of PDP's Mehbooba - Mufti would be Baap-Beti Sarkar. But BJP formed alliance with PDP to form the govt. in J&K!!! A 180 degree turn.

While flexibility may be a hall mark of an astute politician, it seems now that BJP have gotten their hands into the mouth of an alligator, which they have difficulty in getting out somehow. The smart and astute BJP has been outsmarted this time. And one wonders if this is just one of the mis-steps of BJP govt. as support is growing against forcible land acquisition as well. Should they not listen and be open to opposition arguments? Had BJP had it's way, and opposition not protested, the land bill would have been pushed thru without the 9 amendments made later on - much to the detriment of the farmers. What is the hurry and haste in rushing thru such a law without proper reflection?

Spot On DSM!!!
And jain.er just for a moment keep aside farmers' issues.
Regarding the scratching the back thing, my Idol in 2014 had come to Maharashtra for last years election rally and asked us to throw out the Pawar Uncle - nephew duo. We had great hope in this man (And I still do to a certain extent) But this year he comes back again, visits Baramati, and announces that he ruled Gujarat as CM for 3 terms with valuable guidance of Mr. Sharad Pawar. :rofl:
So everything is just a "Chunavi Jumala".

 

[Krushna]

1. Fertilizer subsidy is the largest of any other subsidy
2. Level plying field would be abused by farmers. No one minds paying higher price to farmers but its the middle man who is reaping profits
3. Politics is not black and white. He is trying to isolate congress so this much game playing is ok

@ tp just like yr all trades are non profitable all seeds don't germinate. Similarly all seasons won't be gud. To give you an example last year was too good for potato so this year all farmers planted potatoes and now its a glut; now they will cry hoarse ki maarr gaye Bhai agar akal she kaam nahi logay tau aisaa hi hoga....

1) fert subsidy:

2) So based on this hypothesis, you are ok with exploiting farmers?

3) He is "game playing" the what about 1000s of crores that his game ally's party siphoned off in the irrigation projects? We were hoping that with BJP in power in both state and centre, they would expose the corruption and recover the "poor middle class' " money back...
But seems we read wrong.. its "Bharatiya Jumala Party".
And now I have also started to understand the mindset of hardcore BJP people and their attitude towards rural India.

@ tp and jain.er : I agree to this last point, and hope that someone intellegent enough would suggest some solution to this.

 

[Rish]

Yep.... PM Modi is a 'practical' politician. Respects for him for his vision, but don't believe now in all he says.... getting black money from Swiss bank account and depositing 15 lacks in every individual's account was stretching it too far (the gullible can only blame themselves if they thought it was possible) but one should not forget that he was instrumental to get scam tainted Yedurappa back into BJP. Also, remember his one speech where he said of PDP's Mehbooba - Mufti would be Baap-Beti Sarkar. But BJP formed alliance with PDP to form the govt. in J&K!!! A 180 degree turn.

While flexibility may be a hall mark of an astute politician, it seems now that BJP have gotten their hands into the mouth of an alligator, which they have difficulty in getting out somehow. The smart and astute BJP has been outsmarted this time. And one wonders if this is just one of the mis-steps of BJP govt. as support is growing against forcible land acquisition as well. Should they not listen and be open to opposition arguments? Had BJP had it's way, and opposition not protested, the land bill would have been pushed thru without the 9 amendments made later on - much to the detriment of the farmers. What is the hurry and haste in rushing thru such a law without proper reflection?

Nothing has changed last 6 months, now also he is giving only lecturers, finally common people is going to suffer further in the near future (No Make in Development for People of India...only Make in India for corporates...no Acche Din for sure).

 

[TracerBullet]

Spot On DSM!!!
And jain.er just for a moment keep aside farmers' issues.
Regarding the scratching the back thing, my Idol in 2014 had come to Maharashtra for last years election rally and asked us to throw out the Pawar Uncle - nephew duo. We had great hope in this man (And I still do to a certain extent) But this year he comes back again, visits Baramati, and announces that he ruled Gujarat as CM for 3 terms with valuable guidance of Mr. Sharad Pawar. :rofl:
So everything is just a "Chunavi Jumala".

yes, dissappointing that. Pawars was even called as visionary by one columnist in Hindustan times! Only vision they have is how to corner resources for themselves and how to stay in power...

 

[Krushna]

yes, dissappointing that. Pawars was even called as visionary by one columnist in Hindustan times! Only vision they have is how to corner resources for themselves and how to stay in power...

Moral Of the Story: All politicians in all parties are working hand in glove, and are taking us all -- farmers, middle class, workers, doctors, lawyers etc. etc. for a ride... Now again in next elections Modi wll come and start counting Pawar's sins... and we will listen, knowing that he is lying ... but what can we do? vote either him or pawar or gandhis... they know this very well, so they dont care.

 

[Raghuveer]

I'm a farmer and now govt. will take my land without my consent. If tommorow govt. says we need your colony/house and for that we dont need your consent to phir aapke achhe din aa gaye bhai jaise ab mere aaye hain.

Taking away land is worse than taking away a home... its like taking away someones right hand....coz land is what feeds not only a farmer, but his future generations as well... so I ask one question to those who advocate taking farmers land for nation building without their consent : Would you allow to take away your and your futures generations' right hand if in some way it would help nation building? Sounds bad, but thats the level on which it hurts to those who are affected by it.

. And one wonders if this is just one of the mis-steps of BJP govt. as support is growing against forcible land acquisition as well. Should they not listen and be open to opposition arguments? Had BJP had it's way, and opposition not protested, the land bill would have been pushed thru without the 9 amendments made later on - much to the detriment of the farmers. What is the hurry and haste in rushing thru such a law without proper reflection?

The previous government passed the land bill in the final year of its term just to create this kind of trouble for the new govt. It passed that bill because it knew it was on it's way out and wanted to plant a poison pill for the next govt (similar to corporates having poison pill clauses to prevent acquisitions).

So all this talk of this govt "grabbing" land is patently false. Note that I am not talking about the merits and demerits of land acquisition, but merely pointing out that he current situation and the resultant discussion/criticism is all part of poison-pill plan to derail/bad-mouth current govt.

"Land bill" by this govt is not some brand new evil law concocted by them after coming to power. Its how things were until a year or two back.
Previous govt laid this land bill trap for the next govt and looks like many people also fell for this trap.

Merits and demerits of land acquisition/subsidies, tackling corruption etc need to be discussed separately.

 

[timepass]

@ tp just like yr all trades are non profitable all seeds don't germinate. Similarly all seasons won't be gud. To give you an example last year was too good for potato so this year all farmers planted potatoes and now its a glut; now they will cry hoarse ki maarr gaye Bhai agar akal she kaam nahi logay tau aisaa hi hoga....

Difficult to say whether millions of farmers as a whole were bewakoof.

yes, dissappointing that. Pawars was even called as visionary by one columnist in Hindustan times! Only vision they have is how to corner resources for themselves and how to stay in power...

Pawar is the guy who kept claiming for 2-3 years that "Inflation will come down after this crop.. after monsoon.. etc"..

The previous government passed the land bill in the final year of its term just to create this kind of trouble for the new govt. It passed that bill because it knew it was on it's way out and wanted to plant a poison pill for the next govt (similar to corporates having poison pill clauses to prevent acquisitions).

So all this talk of this govt "grabbing" land is patently false. Note that I am not talking about the merits and demerits of land acquisition, but merely pointing out that he current situation and the resultant discussion/criticism is all part of poison-pill plan to derail/bad-mouth current govt.

"Land bill" by this govt is not some brand new evil law concocted by them after coming to power. Its how things were until a year or two back.
Previous govt laid this land bill trap for the next govt and looks like many people also fell for this trap.

Merits and demerits of land acquisition/subsidies, tackling corruption etc need to be discussed separately.

The previous govt. couldn't have moved a single Act without cooperation of the then opposition. Even their land bill was moulded by a committee headed by Sumitra Mahajan, now the speaker of Lok Sabha. It was as much the opposition's bill as the government's.

Also, changes to the land bill was not on BJP's election manifesto, was it ?

 

[DSM]

Raghuveer,

Good points... Accepting that UPA created 'poison pill' the question to ask is why did the govt. then incorporate 9 amendments? Can you understand the impact on farmers who would be forced to give away the land thru a rushed legislation? As I said, we don't have our houses or land that is being taken away, so we can sit and rationalise based on our own political outlook. The voice of the weak and the defenseless will be trampled upon by politicians and business houses - Thank God for our legal systems without whom the political parties would run amok.

The previous government passed the land bill in the final year of its term just to create this kind of trouble for the new govt. It passed that bill because it knew it was on it's way out and wanted to plant a poison pill for the next govt (similar to corporates having poison pill clauses to prevent acquisitions).

So all this talk of this govt "grabbing" land is patently false. Note that I am not talking about the merits and demerits of land acquisition, but merely pointing out that he current situation and the resultant discussion/criticism is all part of poison-pill plan to derail/bad-mouth current govt.

"Land bill" by this govt is not some brand new evil law concocted by them after coming to power. Its how things were until a year or two back.
Previous govt laid this land bill trap for the next govt and looks like many people also fell for this trap.

Merits and demerits of land acquisition/subsidies, tackling corruption etc need to be discussed separately.