6666 on NIFTY and 22222 on sensex in 2011 Possible??????

Is this view sensible?????


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rajeabc

Well-Known Member
#11
Friends I am dont know why smelling 6666 on nf and 22222 on sensex:thumb:
in 2011 :clap: Is it possible ???

All these drama of politicians and world event suggesting whatever gone would be back with more money:p
Choti Matchli Badi Matchli ko khaye iske liye use uski peeth par sawar hona padega Main to ho chuka Koi aur bhi hai mere saath:clap:
Views of all are important so Bolo Bindaas Bolo Apke dil mein kya hai:rofl::rofl:
PT bhayee.. good to see you active..
how is weather in Delhi ? Garmi padane lagi kya ?

first tell me can Nifty bounce back from 4600-4800 to 6660 ?
 

2021

Active Member
#12
It cost nothing on guessing. My 1st guess is 4800-4900 and if it doesn't sustain may be post UPA 4200 touching this year. And than a boring slegish range bound market for next a year or so. Market crash can happen on - Pakistan or Arab nations turmoil like Egypt/death of senior politicians in UPA/Rise in inflation/bubble burst of gold and silver etfs and land prices etc to name some random excuses. 8.x% GDP is false dream sold to FIIs and common man. Agriculture industry remains to go down and soon will wipe out. Retail demand and supply mismanagement will continue to hinder India forever and creating next big headache for Montek and Manmohan. These few instance are good enough to take us to range of 2009. As for positives there are no such big ques. We are tiny in front of China in QoQ or YoY growth still China economy is getting worst every month and new rate hikes are imposed. Having said this a trader will enjoy making money if he/she is on right side of trend. And I'm not putting these words to change your mind niether I'll comfortably short market knowing all such reason because market is superme. SBI went to 700 on US mortgage defaults I never understood why and touched 2100 on congress getting 200+ seats as if SBI was giving loans in the USA or Sonia Gandhi became SBI chief! I mean wtf, how these things helped SBI in capex fall or rise? It's just an excuse, market is puppet of several cash rich guys. So be what trend is and don't fight against market.
 

TraderRavi

low risk profile
#13
My guess is , we will not touch 6000 in 2011, after touching 6178 high in january.,.....4500 - 5500 range....throughout this year.....
 

4xpipcounter

Well-Known Member
#14
2021, may I stir the pot a little?
Let me disagree with your first sentence. It will cost you greatly if you base your trading decisions on a guess. This is about ensconced methodologies that give a future directive of the markets.
The market crash from the 6000's happened because the trifecta said so.
It will be in a consolidation mode for the next few weeks, because the top of the weekly cloud was hit, and the weekly is OS. It will pick up speed to the south again when there is a weekly close below 5036 (Bottom of the weekly cloud. Ichimoku is dynamic so that level changes weekly.
This is the information you can make educated trading decisions on and have fun at the bank.


It cost nothing on guessing. My 1st guess is 4800-4900 and if it doesn't sustain may be post UPA 4200 touching this year. And than a boring slegish range bound market for next a year or so. Market crash can happen on - Pakistan or Arab nations turmoil like Egypt/death of senior politicians in UPA/Rise in inflation/bubble burst of gold and silver etfs and land prices etc to name some random excuses. 8.x% GDP is false dream sold to FIIs and common man. Agriculture industry remains to go down and soon will wipe out. Retail demand and supply mismanagement will continue to hinder India forever and creating next big headache for Montek and Manmohan. These few instance are good enough to take us to range of 2009. As for positives there are no such big ques. We are tiny in front of China in QoQ or YoY growth still China economy is getting worst every month and new rate hikes are imposed. Having said this a trader will enjoy making money if he/she is on right side of trend. And I'm not putting these words to change your mind niether I'll comfortably short market knowing all such reason because market is superme. SBI went to 700 on US mortgage defaults I never understood why and touched 2100 on congress getting 200+ seats as if SBI was giving loans in the USA or Sonia Gandhi became SBI chief! I mean wtf, how these things helped SBI in capex fall or rise? It's just an excuse, market is puppet of several cash rich guys. So be what trend is and don't fight against market.
 

sanjosedesi

Well-Known Member
#15
SBI went to 700 on US mortgage defaults I never understood why and touched 2100 on congress getting 200+ seats as if SBI was giving loans in the USA or
Wow!! If you have to ask this question ... I bet you know the answers yourself, but let me try to counter it.

What if I gave you SBI's balance sheet without telling you what company and hiding all details about business (whether it is banking or tech or infra), would you be able to predict its stock price? Assume you have all relevant information - assets, liabilities, shares, profit, loss, growth for past 5 years, growth projected (by analysts) for next 5 years.

I bet you would not even come close to the stock price ... 90% probability you will not be within 10%.

And even chance you will be within 25% ... which is the same level as tossing a coin, right?

Why?
If you can hazard some guesses as to this, you got the answer.
 

4xpipcounter

Well-Known Member
#16
The nice thing is if you only give me a chart, and let me plot my indicators on it, and you hide the name of the market, I will tell you which way it is headed and where it will end up with very good accuracy.


Wow!! If you have to ask this question ... I bet you know the answers yourself, but let me try to counter it.

What if I gave you SBI's balance sheet without telling you what company and hiding all details about business (whether it is banking or tech or infra), would you be able to predict its stock price? Assume you have all relevant information - assets, liabilities, shares, profit, loss, growth for past 5 years, growth projected (by analysts) for next 5 years.

I bet you would not even come close to the stock price ... 90% probability you will not be within 10%.

And even chance you will be within 25% ... which is the same level as tossing a coin, right?

Why?
If you can hazard some guesses as to this, you got the answer.
 

MINITRADER99

Well-Known Member
#17
PT Bhai,
I am seeing your Tukka analysis since long and found that you smell the direction of market most of time. I donot know the basis of your analysis still I will like you to consider following scenario-
Markets are very sensitive to political scenario in country. If politics sneezes market get fever. Remember the victory of Man Mohan Singh and market went into upper circuit for 2 consecutive days first time in the history of Indian market if I am remembering correctly. Now do you think that Man Mohan Singh Govt is strong today in comparison to the day it was formed ? definitely not.
Do you think that the Govt was very keen to bring out all these scandals on its own and asked CBI to investigate Adarsh, CWG, 2 G etc etc.(The list is very long and I have to start a new thread for same). No and No. It was media and some honest citizens of this country who forced the Govt and above all Judiciary. If Anil has been questioned by the CBI it is because of Supreme Court and if Balwas and Raja are in Tihar it is because of Judiciary.
When market gets skeptical just getting the rumour that Anil is arrested and his shares tank by 20 % just think if along with Anil some more like Satish Chandra of Unitech, Prashant Ruia of Essar are really arrested. And dont forget the most respected corporate group of the country Tatas. Ratan Tata is too much worried with Radia tapes and moved Supreme Court in his personnel capacity to stop publication of those scripts. What ever has been published so far there is reference to Mukesh also.
Just imagine that if any of these big guns are arrested. (Tata reality lent 1700 crores to Unitech and unitech is considered front company for Tatas. Tata reality MD already questioned by CBI). Your stock market will hit multiple lower circuits on bourses. Please do remember these cases are monitored by Supreme court and not by Man Mohan Singhs Govt and for these cases CBI is following the instruction of court.
In India these Corporate ******** are above law but in America you will find number of billionaires in jail due to corporate frauds.
And do you think this list is ending here? Certainly not. There is more. Krishnans of Aircel invested 675 crore in Sun DTH to get their license by Daya Nidhi Maran who was rejecting his application on filmsy grounds.
Raja asked BSNL to share its WIFI facility with private players without paying for it though BSNL paid more than 8000 crores. Do you think Raja allowed these companies free? Definitely not. This case came to light when present Minister Sibal ordered an Inquiry.
And there is Pune land scam considered to be bigger than Adarsh.
And there is Sband spectrum involving the honest PM. Just consider a scientist who was Secretary in Deptt of space (Most probably his salary was above one lakh) forms Devas Multimedia and enters an agreement with Antarix to pay Rs 2000 Crore for satellite.
How he arranged for capital or he is a front for some one?
And Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh is concerned Minister for Deptt of Space and he can not say that Raja did not listen to me or informed me.
Even if he is honest and did not take money for this deal he is guilty of inefficiency.
And yes of course he will not resign and this government is not in danger of fall. But just some day if Politician Man Mohan Singh gets back his old ethical value of Economist Man Mohan Singh and resigns.............
Let market go anywhere we the intelligent trader will make money whether it is at 6666 or 666.
And no personal bias. I enjoyed the last weeks longs and Fridays fall. I Will close my short any time without thinking for a second and go for long if my chart says.
 

2021

Active Member
#18
Wow!! If you have to ask this question ... I bet you know the answers yourself, but let me try to counter it.

What if I gave you SBI's balance sheet without telling you what company and hiding all details about business (whether it is banking or tech or infra), would you be able to predict its stock price? Assume you have all relevant information - assets, liabilities, shares, profit, loss, growth for past 5 years, growth projected (by analysts) for next 5 years.

I bet you would not even come close to the stock price ... 90% probability you will not be within 10%.

And even chance you will be within 25% ... which is the same level as tossing a coin, right?

Why?
If you can hazard some guesses as to this, you got the answer.
The said example can be taken as pinch of salt. My point as specific and given example in general was market needs an excuse to make or break. I'm of the view that market is supreme and it flows where it wants to. And as for guesses being whatever I can make of I'm not convinced with the levels in recent times and even now and not that I'm one of 90% who missed the rally from 3600 to 6300 those desperately wants market to fall. I'm not TA or FA who can read charts or balance sheets but yes I can make out if price is justifiable or not. Since I'm not good in putting in words I'll again put an example - knowing price et al of TCS and Hero Honda I'll be comfortable buying TCS instead of Hero Honda. As world ecomony rise and as our rupee becomes weak and as buying power of Indians is seeing a change I'll be buying a 52 week high TCS instead of near to 52 week low HH. Just an example that price is not necessarily justificable when it comes to buying a stock or taming market. But yes any excuse can make or break prices. Remember Honda giving up stake and 15% bounce in 15 miuntes of trade?

@ 4pips, I'm one of your silent follower. I login daily and search all your posts, keep those data and figures in note pad and work accodingly. Off-late (as you started to discuss nifty just recently) I'm sure all those who followed you know how acurate are you!
 

praveen taneja

Well-Known Member
#19
It seems you have fascination for numbers.You can add by 11-11-11 instead
of 2011.Take it easy.
ya bro usually I read numbers like this as all time High is 6363 Two year low 8888 recent low 5151 resistence now 5555 I checked many time that thee numbers have something in them which ignite Bomb:p
 

praveen taneja

Well-Known Member
#20
PT Bhai,
I am seeing your Tukka analysis since long and found that you smell the direction of market most of time. I donot know the basis of your analysis still I will like you to consider following scenario-
Markets are very sensitive to political scenario in country. If politics sneezes market get fever. Remember the victory of Man Mohan Singh and market went into upper circuit for 2 consecutive days first time in the history of Indian market if I am remembering correctly. Now do you think that Man Mohan Singh Govt is strong today in comparison to the day it was formed ? definitely not.
Do you think that the Govt was very keen to bring out all these scandals on its own and asked CBI to investigate Adarsh, CWG, 2 G etc etc.(The list is very long and I have to start a new thread for same). No and No. It was media and some honest citizens of this country who forced the Govt and above all Judiciary. If Anil has been questioned by the CBI it is because of Supreme Court and if Balwas and Raja are in Tihar it is because of Judiciary.
When market gets skeptical just getting the rumour that Anil is arrested and his shares tank by 20 % just think if along with Anil some more like Satish Chandra of Unitech, Prashant Ruia of Essar are really arrested. And dont forget the most respected corporate group of the country Tatas. Ratan Tata is too much worried with Radia tapes and moved Supreme Court in his personnel capacity to stop publication of those scripts. What ever has been published so far there is reference to Mukesh also.
Just imagine that if any of these big guns are arrested. (Tata reality lent 1700 crores to Unitech and unitech is considered front company for Tatas. Tata reality MD already questioned by CBI). Your stock market will hit multiple lower circuits on bourses. Please do remember these cases are monitored by Supreme court and not by Man Mohan Singhs Govt and for these cases CBI is following the instruction of court.
In India these Corporate ******** are above law but in America you will find number of billionaires in jail due to corporate frauds.
And do you think this list is ending here? Certainly not. There is more. Krishnans of Aircel invested 675 crore in Sun DTH to get their license by Daya Nidhi Maran who was rejecting his application on filmsy grounds.
Raja asked BSNL to share its WIFI facility with private players without paying for it though BSNL paid more than 8000 crores. Do you think Raja allowed these companies free? Definitely not. This case came to light when present Minister Sibal ordered an Inquiry.
And there is Pune land scam considered to be bigger than Adarsh.
And there is Sband spectrum involving the honest PM. Just consider a scientist who was Secretary in Deptt of space (Most probably his salary was above one lakh) forms Devas Multimedia and enters an agreement with Antarix to pay Rs 2000 Crore for satellite.
How he arranged for capital or he is a front for some one?
And Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh is concerned Minister for Deptt of Space and he can not say that Raja did not listen to me or informed me.
Even if he is honest and did not take money for this deal he is guilty of inefficiency.
And yes of course he will not resign and this government is not in danger of fall. But just some day if Politician Man Mohan Singh gets back his old ethical value of Economist Man Mohan Singh and resigns.............
Let market go anywhere we the intelligent trader will make money whether it is at 6666 or 666.
And no personal bias. I enjoyed the last weeks longs and Fridays fall. I Will close my short any time without thinking for a second and go for long if my chart says.
Bro all is fine but IF we have to chose a party and an accepted India have no choice so Andhon mein chashmein wala Raja:p

US Fed chief told banks to get ready for recession and money would come back with more money watever gone:thumb:
copy paste a mail for all of you

Obama and Multi-Trillion Dollar U.S. Budget Deficits

Earlier this week, President Obama released the White House's budget proposal for fiscal year 2012 along with their budget projections for the following 10 years. The White House projects a record budget deficit in 2011 of $1.645 trillion, but for the deficit to be reduced to $1.101 trillion in 2012, $768 billion in 2013, $645 billion in 2014, and a low of $607 billion in 2015, before rising back up to $774 billion in 2021. We give Obama credit for being honest and admitting that he has no intention of making any attempt to balance the budget. However, NIA believes the White House is making ridiculous assumptions and deceiving the public about future budget deficits.

In our opinion, the White House will be right about the U.S. having a record budget deficit in 2011. Unfortunately, we believe this is the only thing they will be right about. Any proposed spending cuts coming out of Washington today are so small that they are a waste of time even discussing. The truth is, the total cost of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other mandatory programs alone will be $2.2 trillion in 2011. Then when you add in the projected $205 billion in interest payments on our national debt in 2011, we will have a budget deficit of $235 billion right there without including any of the government's $891 billion in security and $496 billion in non-security discretionary spending.

Obama's proposed freeze on non-security discretionary spending will only save $406 billion over the next 10 years, which is absolutely nothing. If Obama didn't just freeze discretionary spending, but he cut all discretionary spending down to zero, we would still have a budget deficit. Nobody in the mainstream media is educating the American public about just how dire our country's fiscal situation is. We get called fear-mongers for preparing Americans for hyperinflation, but we speak the truth while the mainstream media ignores our country's financial problems. We wouldn't have to spend close to a million dollars per year producing documentaries and writing articles about the hyperinflationary crisis ahead if the mainstream media did their job.

we believe that after our record budget deficit this year, there is a 99% chance that we will continue to see more record budget deficits in the years ahead. Even if 2012 or 2013 saw a minor dip in our budget deficit, we could see budget deficits that are double or triple their current level within the next few years. In fact, NIA doesn't think our nation will survive until 2021 based on the path we are currently on. The U.S. won't be able to continue printing money to monetize the debt and deficits, without seeing an outbreak of massive inflation and perhaps hyperinflation at some point this decade.

To reach the White House's projected reductions in the budget deficit after a record budget deficit in 2011, the White House is projecting that annual price inflation in the U.S. will rise from just 1.3% in 2011, to just 1.8% in 2012, 1.9% in 2013, 2% in 2014, and 2.1% per year from 2016 through 2021. NIA believes these numbers are unrealistic and that real price inflation in the U.S. is already north of 5%. NIA believes real price inflation is likely to rise above 10% in either the second half of 2011 or early 2012. The Federal Reserve has held interest rates at artificially low levels of 0% to 0.25% for over two years. Artificially low interest rates are very inflationary. In order to contain price inflation and keep it under control, the Federal Reserve must raise interest rates to above the real rate of price inflation. The Fed won't do this because it would destroy our phony economic recovery.

If the Federal Reserve never lowered interest rates and kept them at 5.25% where they were in 2006, instead of having 5% price inflation today, we would likely have at least 5% price deflation. This means inflation is now conservatively 10% higher than where it would have been without the Federal Reserve's destructive actions. To put this into perspective, with three years of 5% price inflation, a product becomes 35% more expensive than it would have been with three years of 5% price deflation.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported yesterday that year-over-year price inflation in the month of January was 1.63%, compared to 1.5% in December. Even based on the phony BLS numbers, it is obvious to all that price inflation in the U.S. is accelerating. NIA estimates that real price inflation is now closing in on 6%.

Not only is the White House budget using deceptive inflation numbers, but it is also misleading Americans about GDP growth. The White House budget is projecting 5% annual nominal GDP growth over the next 10 years. Over the past decade, the U.S. has seen an average annual nominal GDP growth rate of 3.95% and if you go back to the years 2001-2005 during the Real Estate bubble, we saw annual nominal GDP growth during those five years of 4.86%.

It is absolutely insane for the White House to be projecting nominal 5% GDP growth per year, with inflation of only 2% per year. There is absolutely no chance of the U.S. economy seeing real GDP growth of 3% per year, which would be higher than our average real GDP growth during the biggest artificial boom in U.S. history. In our opinion, any GDP growth the U.S. sees this decade will be created entirely by inflation. Considering that the White House expects there to be a lot of GDP growth in the years ahead, they are clearly putting a lot of pressure on Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to create as much monetary inflation as possible.

As part of the White House's budget projections, they also project unemployment in the U.S. to decline from an average of 9.6% in 2011 to a low of 5.3% in years 2016 through 2021. Real unemployment in the U.S. today, after accounting for both short and long-term discouraged workers, is now approximately 22%. Between federal, state, and local government workers, government employees now make up 16% of all U.S. payrolls. Over the past 60 years, government employment growth has just about doubled the rate of U.S. population growth. During the upcoming hyperinflationary crisis, we could very easily see the number of government employees cut in half, which would send the official U.S. unemployment rate up to 16% and the real unemployment rate up to 29%.

The biggest problem NIA has with the White House budget is their projections for interest payments on our national debt. Historically, going back the past 50 years, yields on the 10-year bond have averaged about 7.2%. The 10-year bond yield has been skyrocketing in recent months and is currently 3.57%, up from being 2.381% on October 8th of last year. With the 10-year bond yield surging 50% over the past four months, there is no reason the yield can't surge another 50% over the next six to twelve months up to 5.36%. Yet, the White House is projecting the bond yield to average 3% in 2011 and to rise to only 3.6% in 2012, 4.2% in 2013, and up to a high of 5.3% for years 2017 to 2021. Trust us, if interest rates on the 10-year bond don't rise to 5.3% within the next six to twelve months, we guarantee they will still do so a lot closer to six months than six years.

With treasury yields having been held at artificially low levels for so long, we expect them to rise above historically average levels and remain there for many years. There is no doubt that we will see bond yields back above 7.2% in the years ahead. As inflation begins to spiral out of control, we expect to see bond yields rise to above 10% and beyond. The White House doesn't expect interest payments on our national debt to rise above $500 billion until the year 2015. They're projecting net interest payments in 2015 of $505 billion with our public debt averaging the year around $13.9 trillion. In order words, they expect us to pay only 3.6% interest on our debt that year.

To summarize, Obama expects our budget deficit to decline from $1.645 trillion this year down to a low of $607 billion in 2015 by having 5% per year GDP growth, only 2% per year inflation, unemployment in 2015 of only 5.9%, and an overall interest rate that is only 1/2 of historical 10-year treasury yields. NIA projects that the U.S. will see zero GDP growth adjusted for inflation and if we are right, and we also see the U-3 unemployment rate rise back above 10% along with our overall interest rate on our debt rising back to historical levels of 7.2%, our actual deficit in 2015 could very easily surpass $3 trillion.

In early 2008, the Bush Administration was projecting the U.S. budget deficit to decline to $160 billion in 2010, $96 billion in 2011, and for the U.S. to have a $48 billion surplus in 2012. Look how easily a $96 billion projected deficit turned into a $1.645 trillion deficit, 17 times higher than projected. It is nearly impossible to reduce budget deficits once they begin spiraling out of control, unless the government acted to dramatically slash spending by 50% or more in all areas of the budget including the so-called untouchable areas like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Obama pledged while running for President to cut the budget deficit in half during his first term, but it has so far increased by 262%. If we have just a few more years of trillion dollar plus budget deficits, interest payments on our national debt will begin to approach half of U.S. government tax receipts and at that point, hyperinflation will be all but guaranteed.


Whatever all thinking about our country but with Huge eating and saving force making India Best place to invest so This time do not stay outside like most people did around 9000 whole world came out of recession through India and we still trying to get 15-20 Nifty points:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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