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DSM

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Pivots (Source : Investopedia/others)

Pivot Points are an efficient method of predicting support and resistance areas for the trading day, using the high/low and close of the previous day. It is one of the few strategies that project support and resistance areas.

Calculation of Pivot Points

• A technical analysis indicator used to determine the overall trend of the market.
• The pivot point itself is simply the average of the high, low and closing prices from the previous trading day.
• On the subsequent day, trading above the pivot point is thought to indicate ongoing bullish sentiment, while trading below the pivot point indicates bearish sentiment.
• In a pivot point analysis, the first support and resistance levels are calculated by using the width of the trading range between the pivot point and either the high or low prices of the previous day. The second support and resistance levels are calculated using the full width between the high and low prices of the previous day.

Central Pivot Point (P) = (High of previous day + Low of previous day + Close of previous day) / 3

First Resistance (R1) = (2*P) - Low
First Support (S1) = (2*P) - High
Second Resistance (R2) = P + (R1-S1)
Second Support (S2) = P - (R1- S1)

Types of Pivot Points
• Pivot Points
• Camarilla Pivot Point
• Fibonacci Pivot Point
• Woodie Pivot Point

(More on these later)
 

DSM

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Some more true trading stories shared by traders (Source : Elite Traders)

I know a guy who made 350K+ in one day... About a year later he lost 1+ million in one day.

***

A buddy of mine from school used to trade Eurodollar options. He had a massive guts on the market around the time a big number was coming out. The expectancy was for the Fed to remain unchanged - but it didn't - for the worse. He lost $500,000 and had to sell his house.

***

The CTA (Commodity Trading Advisor) had 75%+ returns for 4-5 years before he blew out his pooled accts in 1 trade. He exclusively wrote premium and he had somewhere around $15 million in managed accts. One overnight session in NatGas led the exchange to double the daily price limit move and greatly increase margin requirements. Then the next day the price of the calls he was selling went from a couple of thousand to upwards of $15,000-$20,000 each. His pooled accts went totally bust and his individual managed accts were left with something like .20 cents on the original $1

***

A woman I knew back in college bought PUMA at $5 back in '99 then sold it near 100. Then she reversed her long and went short and covered it near $5. She made about 190 point x 2000 shares ($380k) on PUMA. Not bad.. she does'nt even know what a p/e ratio is... she told me it was pure luck!!

***

Don't remember the guy's name, but his play:
1. Divide capital by 5
2. Wait until market oversold or overbought, then start fading on a scale-in.
3. Set wide stop... such that "market has never moved that far before".

In '85 or '86, as I recall, market got overbought and he started scaling into SP Futures... and in... and in. Long story short, he got 5 positions short... AND was stopped out by broker. (Check the charts if you got 'em.)

Perspective... if $100,000 represented the sum of 20 years gains in client accounts before the fateful play, they lost all of that plus a $75,000 margin call deficit!!

***

This guy and his family came to the U.S. as immigrants in early 1980's. In my school, he would learn that, by maxing his student loans & credit cards to trade, he would be able to afford certain living expenses which included a nice DC suburb condo and a BMW. After grad school, he spent a few years on Wall St. and found a niche in trading. After leaving his last employer with almost half a million dollar in bonus, he started a small, aggressive hedge fund and grew it to almost 40M. The stock picking fund operated during the 2000-2002 bear market. It beat benchmarks very handily in the first 2 years. The poor use of leverage however blew up his account in 2002.

A few true trading stories shared by traders (Source : Elite Traders)

In the 1930s an Engilishmen was on a holiday trip to Monte Carlo casino. He was playing roulette. While sitting at the table he got into an argument with guy who knocked his drink. After a verbal exchange they stepped outside to settle the thing man to man, but the Englishman forgot to take his chips off the black. On returning to the table, his original bet had double up 10 times straight, and he walked away with 3 million. True story

***

Had a doctor client in the middle '90s who sold his practice to a public medical practice company for the company's stock. When the stock ran up to $55, his shares reached a value of $8.60 million. I advised him to sell, because "the worst that could happen is that he'd have $8MM in the bank". (The stock was 99X earnings, the group was 50X, the market was 25X... seems cheap now.) I suggested he would get a chance to buy it back for .20 on the dollar sometime in the next few years. He said, "I like the management". I said, "what do you expect, it to become the next Microsoft?"

Anyway, a few weeks later, he called me. When I heard his voice, I sympathized with him, but he didn't know why. The lead story on CNBC was that the company had missed earnings, guided down, and the stock open about $12... His 8.60 Mil.$ holding was now valued at less than 2 Mil. $. He hadn't heard. Eventually they traded $5. Soon after that, never heard about it again.

***

A person who was 75 years old bought Microsoft 1000 shares in 1985. He died of heart attack next year. Nobody knew he bought Microsoft shares until 1996. His grandson found out about the 1000 Microsoft shares had become over $1 million value stocks after 10 years. The family sold half of shares to buy new house, cars, & put some cash into US bonds. They still hold half position into Microsoft.
 

DSM

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F&O Results for next two days :

Asian Paints 21-Oct-13
Karnataka Bank 21-Oct-13
Zee Entertain 21-Oct-13

Cairn India 22-Oct-13
Indiabulls RealEstate 22-Oct-13
Wipro 22-Oct-13
Yes Bank 22-Oct-13

P.S : E&OE.
 

TraderRavi

low risk profile
Some more true trading stories shared by traders (Source : Elite Traders)

I know a guy who made 350K+ in one day... About a year later he lost 1+ million in one day.

***

A buddy of mine from school used to trade Eurodollar options. He had a massive guts on the market around the time a big number was coming out. The expectancy was for the Fed to remain unchanged - but it didn't - for the worse. He lost $500,000 and had to sell his house.

***

The CTA (Commodity Trading Advisor) had 75%+ returns for 4-5 years before he blew out his pooled accts in 1 trade. He exclusively wrote premium and he had somewhere around $15 million in managed accts. One overnight session in NatGas led the exchange to double the daily price limit move and greatly increase margin requirements. Then the next day the price of the calls he was selling went from a couple of thousand to upwards of $15,000-$20,000 each. His pooled accts went totally bust and his individual managed accts were left with something like .20 cents on the original $1

***

A woman I knew back in college bought PUMA at $5 back in '99 then sold it near 100. Then she reversed her long and went short and covered it near $5. She made about 190 point x 2000 shares ($380k) on PUMA. Not bad.. she does'nt even know what a p/e ratio is... she told me it was pure luck!!

***

Don't remember the guy's name, but his play:
1. Divide capital by 5
2. Wait until market oversold or overbought, then start fading on a scale-in.
3. Set wide stop... such that "market has never moved that far before".

In '85 or '86, as I recall, market got overbought and he started scaling into SP Futures... and in... and in. Long story short, he got 5 positions short... AND was stopped out by broker. (Check the charts if you got 'em.)

Perspective... if $100,000 represented the sum of 20 years gains in client accounts before the fateful play, they lost all of that plus a $75,000 margin call deficit!!

***

This guy and his family came to the U.S. as immigrants in early 1980's. In my school, he would learn that, by maxing his student loans & credit cards to trade, he would be able to afford certain living expenses which included a nice DC suburb condo and a BMW. After grad school, he spent a few years on Wall St. and found a niche in trading. After leaving his last employer with almost half a million dollar in bonus, he started a small, aggressive hedge fund and grew it to almost 40M. The stock picking fund operated during the 2000-2002 bear market. It beat benchmarks very handily in the first 2 years. The poor use of leverage however blew up his account in 2002.
Name changed but end results same.
blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! :lol:
 
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DSM

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Ravi Bro,

Look to read something like this next : blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! and then quadrupled the capital in the next bull run of 2013-14. Nothing is impossible!

:) :) :)

Name changed but end results same.
blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! blew up !! :lol:
 

DSM

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It is not because we are happy that we are grateful, but because we are grateful that we are happy! - Author Unknown
 

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