Crude oil is a human

How much traders are able to find the movement of Crude oil Technically?


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zabeen2004

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#81
My opinion is MM's would have built shorts/longs by going through all the phases like accumulation..etc. and will be waiting for the news to run price for profits. It is purely their decision and nearly 80% of the profit will be benefited only to them as they are the only people allowed to pour millions$ in seconds . most of the intraday traders will not benefit out of that quick move when news releases as intraday players SL will be very less comparing to positional trader.
 

Tamil trader

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#82
Algos programmed to trade? So there is instant reaction with large quantity to move the price.? Wondering....
Dear DSM, Zabeen2004

You are exactly correct. Senior Rocks......

Algo method and Accumulation is the only reason for full day liquidity and also for the sudden up or down move.

For exact clarification,

and to make it conform

We need to study about " PRICE LADDER"

PRICE LADDER is available for Zerodha Nest Trader as far as i know

Order has already been placed by market makers from current price to upper circuit price, and current price to lower circuit price.

in MT4, Nymex crude and INR is connected for the automatic order. Whenever the up and down happens, automatically MCX Value is arrived. and Automatic Order is triggerred.

If the sudden moves happens from 6000 to 6060, All the pending selling orders from 6060 to 6060 is executed. but all the buy orders are not executed due to lack of sellers in the exact buy price. So after the sudden 60 points up move, there will be more pending orders in the buy side which was not executed. Market makers will cancel the pending buy orders.

Like that,

If the sudden moves happens from 6000 to 5940, all the pending buy orders from 6000 to 5940 is executed. but all the sell orders are not executed due to lack of buyers in the exact sell price. So after the sudden 60 points down, there will be more pending orders in the sell side which was not executed. market makers will cancel the pending sell orders.


This is the basic concept behind the price movement of every commodity. But which strategy? which technology? How they accumulate? when they book profit? is used by market makers is the different concept. This needs to be learnt well through adequate source.

Anyway, market makers have the capacity to buy at the every price and sell at the every price. Because they have adequate capital in their trading account.

But normal traders are not having such capacity. So they wait after taking the position and wait for the market prices to move in their favour. So normal traders fail most of the time.

I have given the basic information which was understood by me in the market hours by watching the order book and price ladder. Dont mistake me if there is any misunderstandings.
 

DSM

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#83
Awesome insight.... thanks for sharing your knowledge and time. Much appreciated. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Dear DSM, Zabeen2004

You are exactly correct. Senior Rocks......

Algo method and Accumulation is the only reason for full day liquidity and also for the sudden up or down move.

For exact clarification,

and to make it conform

We need to study about " PRICE LADDER"

PRICE LADDER is available for Zerodha Nest Trader as far as i know

Order has already been placed by market makers from current price to upper circuit price, and current price to lower circuit price.

in MT4, Nymex crude and INR is connected for the automatic order. Whenever the up and down happens, automatically MCX Value is arrived. and Automatic Order is triggerred.

If the sudden moves happens from 6000 to 6060, All the pending selling orders from 6060 to 6060 is executed. but all the buy orders are not executed due to lack of sellers in the exact buy price. So after the sudden 60 points up move, there will be more pending orders in the buy side which was not executed. Market makers will cancel the pending buy orders.

Like that,

If the sudden moves happens from 6000 to 5940, all the pending buy orders from 6000 to 5940 is executed. but all the sell orders are not executed due to lack of buyers in the exact sell price. So after the sudden 60 points down, there will be more pending orders in the sell side which was not executed. market makers will cancel the pending sell orders.


This is the basic concept behind the price movement of every commodity. But which strategy? which technology? How they accumulate? when they book profit? is used by market makers is the different concept. This needs to be learnt well through adequate source.

Anyway, market makers have the capacity to buy at the every price and sell at the every price. Because they have adequate capital in their trading account.

But normal traders are not having such capacity. So they wait after taking the position and wait for the market prices to move in their favour. So normal traders fail most of the time.

I have given the basic information which was understood by me in the market hours by watching the order book and price ladder. Dont mistake me if there is any misunderstandings.
 

Tamil trader

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#84
Experience 25

Positional Trading is the Express Train. Intraday Trading is the passenger train. Which trading do you prefer? which trader you are?

Trading is a wonderful Journey. All people are willing to participate in this journey.

There are two types of people in this journey.

Common People= Middle Class People or Traders with small capital = They are always liking to travel in the passenger train. (Intraday Trading)

VIPs and Old Age people = High Net Worth Individuals or Traders who is engaged with another profession or business with no time to watch the market. They are always liking to travel in the Express train. (Positional Trading)

Advantages of the Passenger Train ( Intraday Trading)

1. Very Low Ticket Fare ( Very Low Capital is enough)

2. All people can catch the train at their place ( Anytime, you can enter in the market and exit from market when you reach your destination (target or stop loss)

Disadvantages of the Passenger Train ( Intraday Trading)

1. If the express train is coming on the track, This passenger train will be stopped in the station for giving the way to express train. ( If the positional trend is bullish or intraday trend is bearish, intraday traders will sell and positional traders will buy. atlast, positional traders will make money by taking the money of the intraday traders. So Intraday traders always give their money to positional traders )

2. Ticket fare is low but extra expenses are high. As passenger train is stopped in all the small stations, we will do more expenses in the small station to eat, drink, etc. so we will make expenses more than our ticket fare. this is the normal condition. ( Brokerages and Other Slippages are high comparing to our trading profit in intraday trading. I have seen more traders losing their capital intraday and giving the brokerage more than their capital as number of trading per day is high)

Advantages of the Express Train ( Positional Trading)

1. Train will be stopped in the important stations only. We can catch the train in the important stations only ( In Positional Trading, Whenever we see the major trend reversal point, at that time, we should enter the market or exit from market. All the prices is the correct price to enter or exit)

2. Number of Stations are very less to reach the destination ( Number of trading per month is very less to achieve our target)

3. No over Expenses in the station ( As number of trading is very less, brokerages and other slippages are very low )

4. Peaceful Journey ( Positional trading never gives the way for emotions, greed, fear, etc. This is purely a peaceful trading system to trade only trend to trend only )

Disadvantages of the Express Train ( Positional Trading )

1. High Ticket Fare ( High capital required to do positional trading)

2. Common People cannot prefer this ( As positional trading requires high capital, The common people with low capital cannot do positional trading )

3. Preparation is required to book the ticket. Before catching the express train, we should reserve the ticket, and get the allotment, after confirmation, we can travel in the express train ( In Positional trading, Backtesting of the strategy, Paper Trading is required to become a full time trader. After getting profit constantly from your strategy, you can do positional trading)

I am purely a positional Trader

Just for making the trading business as your interest, i have given with real journey examples... if there is any mistake in the concept, kindly ignore and excuse me..
 

DSM

Well-Known Member
#85
Thanks TT, as always.... Nice explanation and taking time to write.... I hope to join you on Chennai Express :) :) :)

Positional Trading is the Express Train. Intraday Trading is the passenger train. Which trading do you prefer? which trader you are?
 

Tamil trader

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#87
Experience 26

When are you going to make a fresh profit? How many days will it take to recover your old losses?

This question belongs to 99 percent of the traders. Because 99 percent of the traders are making losses in commodity market.

In the current market scenario, Number of traders are very high. But there are three types of traders.

Type 1: I am trading in the market to make fresh profit every day

Type 2 : I am trading in the market to recover my old losses. Currently it is recovered slowly as i am trading with proven strategy and discipline

Type 3 : I am trading in the market to recover my old losses. But, Still i dont know how to make the profits and what wrongs with me. I am not able to recover my losses. So i lose again and again.

In the beginning stage, To learn the market, We should cross the type 3.

If you get proven strategy and follow with discipline, You will be shifted to type 2.

If you pass in the type 2 patiently with hard work, Your dream will come into real as Type 1

Every one wants to be type 1. but here, how many traders are in the type 1?

They only know about their position.

I proudly say that i am a type 1 trader.
 

Tamil trader

Well-Known Member
#89
Experience 27

Pros and cons of 5 minutes and 30 minutes

5 Minutes time frame - The Eagle View Analysis​

1. Support and Resistance is found at every small breakout points.

2. Stop Loss is minimised at every small breakout reversal.

3. Target is maximised at the trending market

4. It is not working in sideways market.

5. It gives more wrong signals when there is narrow range movement

6. Number of trades per month is very high

7. Brokerages and other slippages are very high if compared to higher time frame

8. Watching the market at every five minutes is important which is very inconvenience to all

9. Profit ratio is very low if compared to higher time frames

10. Algo Trading setup is required to act on the signals timely


30 Minutes Time Frame - An Eagle View Analysis​

1. Support and Resistance is found on the major trend reversal points only

2. Number of Trades are very low per month

3. Wrong signals are very low per month

4. Profit Ratio is very high if we follow higher time frames

5. Very Peaceful trading can be done if we follow higher time frames

6. No Way for emotions and fear

7. It works good in sideways market and avoids wrong signal

8. Brokerages and other slippages are very low

9. Stop loss and target is very high which is not suitable for small traders

10. Higher time frame is the best performer for crude oil positional trading



After analysing and using the real money, and losing some money in the lower time frames, i got this decision to follow the higher time frames.
for last five years, i earned good money by using the higher time frames only. i never used the lower time frames. but recently i invented one new strategy which gives good profit on backtesting but still some changes are needed for using in realtime and to avoid the wrong signals.....

So , According to my experience,

Higher Time Frame is always good for earning decent income every month. But Money management, Risk Management, and Patience is must to earn decent money from higher time frames​
 
#90
What a comparison :) Liked it.

Experience 25

Positional Trading is the Express Train. Intraday Trading is the passenger train. Which trading do you prefer? which trader you are?

Trading is a wonderful Journey. All people are willing to participate in this journey.

There are two types of people in this journey.

Common People= Middle Class People or Traders with small capital = They are always liking to travel in the passenger train. (Intraday Trading)

VIPs and Old Age people = High Net Worth Individuals or Traders who is engaged with another profession or business with no time to watch the market. They are always liking to travel in the Express train. (Positional Trading)

Advantages of the Passenger Train ( Intraday Trading)

1. Very Low Ticket Fare ( Very Low Capital is enough)

2. All people can catch the train at their place ( Anytime, you can enter in the market and exit from market when you reach your destination (target or stop loss)

Disadvantages of the Passenger Train ( Intraday Trading)

1. If the express train is coming on the track, This passenger train will be stopped in the station for giving the way to express train. ( If the positional trend is bullish or intraday trend is bearish, intraday traders will sell and positional traders will buy. atlast, positional traders will make money by taking the money of the intraday traders. So Intraday traders always give their money to positional traders )

2. Ticket fare is low but extra expenses are high. As passenger train is stopped in all the small stations, we will do more expenses in the small station to eat, drink, etc. so we will make expenses more than our ticket fare. this is the normal condition. ( Brokerages and Other Slippages are high comparing to our trading profit in intraday trading. I have seen more traders losing their capital intraday and giving the brokerage more than their capital as number of trading per day is high)

Advantages of the Express Train ( Positional Trading)

1. Train will be stopped in the important stations only. We can catch the train in the important stations only ( In Positional Trading, Whenever we see the major trend reversal point, at that time, we should enter the market or exit from market. All the prices is the correct price to enter or exit)

2. Number of Stations are very less to reach the destination ( Number of trading per month is very less to achieve our target)

3. No over Expenses in the station ( As number of trading is very less, brokerages and other slippages are very low )

4. Peaceful Journey ( Positional trading never gives the way for emotions, greed, fear, etc. This is purely a peaceful trading system to trade only trend to trend only )

Disadvantages of the Express Train ( Positional Trading )

1. High Ticket Fare ( High capital required to do positional trading)

2. Common People cannot prefer this ( As positional trading requires high capital, The common people with low capital cannot do positional trading )

3. Preparation is required to book the ticket. Before catching the express train, we should reserve the ticket, and get the allotment, after confirmation, we can travel in the express train ( In Positional trading, Backtesting of the strategy, Paper Trading is required to become a full time trader. After getting profit constantly from your strategy, you can do positional trading)

I am purely a positional Trader

Just for making the trading business as your interest, i have given with real journey examples... if there is any mistake in the concept, kindly ignore and excuse me..
 
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