When & how to invest rs 1 crore in stock market to gain 20 lacs in three months

[Rkji]

guys,

IMHO :-

1) every good quality company has its ups & down, why favouritism for REL only ? Pls don' t get emotionally attached with any stocks.

yes, REL is indeed a good quality stock and it got its ups & downs too.

docaa, i can give you an example of a good quality stock like BT ( British Telecom) which once used to trade in 10-20 pounds range but the very next day it traded in PENCE, people panicked like hell and sold off their shares, reason BT had huge debt building up, everyone just saw past charts which showed a rosy picture but overlooked fundamentals which changed with time. so you cant guarantee anyone to - just invest in a REL....period.....
go with the trend but ride the trend till fundamentals also support them.
the entry & exit...would you be there to guide him when & at what price to exit as well ?

i think its more about timing stocks, as in buying ANY good quality stock when it' s in strong uptrend & riding the trend till it lasts. stocks don' t care about how they are gonna move, they are driven by fundamentals, greed, fear & somtimes operator manipulation.

holding good quality stocks over a long term may create great wealth. maybe more than gold or silver & could be vice versa as it depends on some fundamentals as well. these days govmnt is holding REL culprit for some inflation in prices issue...REL denies....though i agree with docaa that some of the best times to invest is when a good quality stock has underperformed temp....assuming some fundamentals remain good.

2) while "gold " maybe real money, i would still say there has to be a blend of everything, i liked findvikas idea of blending everything so as to protect our principal amnt & growing it with time & at the same time i like docaa' s idea of getting 1:1 bonus + dividend on a good quality stock in future provided fundamentals also support.

docca, i agree stocks may have performed well over real estate, fd' s etc, but can you realise he has asked this question in a forum ? which means he hasn' t self studied on TA or fundamentals and you are telling to rely solely on equity ? this is why diversification is important.

everything that glitters is not gold unless it is GOLD itself & it's REAL estate...FIXED deposit with safe interest

amit, i don' t mean to demotivate you from your target mate but pls keep it real ....i hope you have heard the saying that the best way to become a millionare is to start with a billion

what would you do if in the third month, god forbid,
jan 2010 repeats 2008-2009 ????....................something to think, ah !!
though i realise such a crash might not come but corrections are part & parcel in stock market in which you need to have some funds aside for fresh deployment.

no more from me again, but it does sound more of gamble than investment

wish you all the best & pls self study .

 

[magnet]

Guys,

If I am not wrong, people in the late 80's and early 90's said that Reliance is forming a BUBBLE and will BURST!!!! Investors in Reliance will have a hard time to even cry. REMEMBER, many of the investors in Reliance have built or bought a house and/or got their daughter or son married. 'YES' it did BURST and create 4 more companies (reaping wealth for the loyal stock holders), those who did not have Reliance in their portfolio or those who sold them off before the burst suffered! And 'YES' I would agree that it is again forming a BUBBLE and this time WILL grow GIGANTIC!!!! Remember OIL + GAS = ENERGY, and this time RELIANCE will grow with ENERGY. Look at energy stock prices in the international market like EXXON, TEXACO, BP, VALERO, CITGO, CHEVERON.

This is the right time to invest in RELIANCE INDUSTRIES, because you will still be entitled to dividends.

I would suggest that if people look at past long time charts for last 100 years: Stocks have returned max returns year to year, followed by real estate, followed by FD and last GOLD, which does not always glitter!

SOrry to say dont take it personal but i would love to see the charts becoz

First i dont agree about your gold statement..simply becoz...u talking of 100 years ..gold has given 300% return from the year 2000...and if i remember correctly even in 1940-1960 period gold used to trade for some 30- 40 buks a gram..which is right now 1600-1700 thats almost 4000%....The only reason of adding FD in front of gold made me say this gold price has never fallen...
FD wont but comparing to inflation its like lifelong tortoise with broken legs

And again i repeat invest in silver as it will give good returns in the longest run say 3-10 years period than gold.....the physical silver is short than gold ..

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report_sprightly-silver-beats-gold-hands-down_1298690

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/column_china-urges-citizens-to-buy-gold-and-silver_1289838

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/interview_world-has-5-times-more-gold-than-silver_1235602


Now talking about Reliance.....

I read couple of good articles in newspaper....about it...might wont have its link but might have a couple of it.....Reliance of 1980-1990 is different from relaince of now...

I m not saying its bad company.....but i dont expect a better or easy journey for reliance...as earlier it was for their number 1 status they used to give great prices and all...but now they are the top in company they know the person who opens his 1st demat account of his life have a single share of them and that way crores of share are with them.....myself having just 2 shares but counted in crore..

From the articles i read what i got is Reliance is most stingy companies in giving bonus than any other profit making company in India.....The last bonus before present one was 1997 that too dhirubhai against his own wishes was made to give it as in his AGM ppl almost gagged him and print media was after Reliance having problems thats why not giving Bonus

Reliance started working as giving extra ordinary result and started paying too much dividend so new investor keeps on coming ...jus like sale stuff...first get a stuff for 25 and instead of selling it at 40 start selling at peanuts 27-28,,,and getting rest of amount from banks for its working....people loved it...Than they changed the funda instead of getting financial institute help why not start 3-4 companies of same business and get money from people at least u dont have to pay interest to people than the one charged by financial banks.....for making more attractive start giving dividends furthur so that ppl buy it.....e.g the illu-pillu twins which they started which was finally merged with Reliance.....when they had enough cash.....

In short instead of giving dividends-bonus they started to offer right issue forcing people to buy their shares and making the price triple and more...just like ponzi scheme take money from first than return 60% of 2nd investor money to 1st showing u got terrific return now invest more money and also add your family money and so on

Thats the reason today also u see reliance power share..people knows in future it will be amalgamated with reliance infra....but still they started separate company so that they get 10k crore cash without paying interest...and soon ull see reliance infratel shares ipo when reliance communication does the same job.....instead of giving money bak to people they start to say we starting another company(another business) will put our cash and u people furthur invest......

Even after this article of mine people will invest in reliance infratel ,they have created their image such and now they already are leader ..my point is dont expect returns of past from reliance......u might get double in more than couple of year but from my experince i got 15% so far from 2 years of my investment in Reliance....plus when there is some bad news around thats the reason of giving dividend and bonus together(for reliance bonus means bad news is ard..sice they biggest stingy company around)....so that QIP people gets out soon its added(shares) into market without lost as they are their maai-baap for manipulation

We know we will get but we still havent got the date of getting..reason is the RNRL case in supreme court.....RIL is most likely to loose it..and inorder for suffering that set backup it will give the dividend bonus quickly so that it can say it has adjusted becoz of that and not negative news..and if it wins ull have to wait atleast couple of month to next year to get the bonus/dividend..plus share will get beating upto 1000 my bet..and when u ask technical paper in news channel they will say there are many reason and the biggest being the bonus rather than the case


my gist fromt this article

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/comment_why-the-ril-bonus-goes-against-the-grain_1297863


In short::Their is nothing called as free lunch in this world

Its good to have Reliance shares in your kitty ..but dont expect magic down the line

 

[sudoku1]

Guys,

If I am not wrong, people in the late 80's and early 90's said that Reliance is forming a BUBBLE and will BURST!!!! Investors in Reliance will have a hard time to even cry. REMEMBER, many of the investors in Reliance have built or bought a house and/or got their daughter or son married. 'YES' it did BURST and create 4 more companies (reaping wealth for the loyal stock holders), those who did not have Reliance in their portfolio or those who sold them off before the burst suffered! And 'YES' I would agree that it is again forming a BUBBLE and this time WILL grow GIGANTIC!!!! Remember OIL + GAS = ENERGY, and this time RELIANCE will grow with ENERGY. Look at energy stock prices in the international market like EXXON, TEXACO, BP, VALERO, CITGO, CHEVERON.

This is the right time to invest in RELIANCE INDUSTRIES, because you will still be entitled to dividends.

I would suggest that if people look at past long time charts for last 100 years: Stocks have returned max returns year to year, followed by real estate, followed by FD and last GOLD, which does not always glitter!

the new breed may not heard the co....but in late 80's...there was BARODA RAYON CORP...chaired by fatehsing gaikwad....
so much was the loyalty for this co in gujrat that @ the time of daughters marriage...father would offer its certificates in dowry as a gesture of status...but 2day its in rubbles !

punchline > never marry a stock !

 

[amit_dangi]

Hello Every Body

Thanks very much to provide such a valuable informations about stock market & its various tools to invest by showing its positive & negative side
With respect to bit higher amount and its investment.

But my question is still the same.

When & how to invest rs 1 crore in stock market to gain 20 lacs in three months?

Why?

Did you hear about so many mutual funds those had been given very good result in a span of time period like 40% to 55% RETURN generally FII'S & FUND HOUSES (Specially FII'S) use to get 5 To 7 % or maximum result by their investing

SOME OF THE SCRIPTS LIKE

"ICICI BANK , AXIS BANK , VOLTAS , INDIAINFO , IFCI , JPASSOCIATES ,HINDALCO , BAJAJHIND , APOLLOTYRE ,
ASHOKLEY ,RENUKA ,BALRAMCHIN ,IDBI,CAIRN,TATAMOTORS ,ARVIND,INDUSINDBK,RUCHISOYA,EVEREADY,AMTEKAUTO,SHREECEM,ESCORTS,TATASTEEL,IDFC,SESAGOA,JINDALSTEL,NIITLTD,STER,DHANBANK,ICSA"HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALMOST 4 TO 6 TIME RETURNS IN 8 MONTHS TIME WITH ALMOST VERY GOOD FUNDAMENTAL RECORDS.

I didnt mention realty, telecommunication, and power sector because rate of fluctuations are very high in these sectors by their fundamentals

I was only asking about 6.5 % monthly return

Again

1. Is this a right time to go long.....................?

2. What fund houses & fiis think .?

3. What is the long term holding amount of FIIS & Fund
Houses in a Fund or Script ?

4. What is the recent holding amount of FIIS & Fund Houses in a Fund
or Script ?

5. Global atmosphere .?

6. Out flow of any artificial negative or positive news by governments
relate to economy , poltics foreign relations etc.?

I think these points are important to take any decision to go long, short or stop for investing in fundamentally strong stock as per different time circle (down to up or up to down)

Its my thinking if you like then have it or forget or add some more corrections

 

[magnet]

Sorry amit but now i m confused..when u say 20 lakhs from 1cr..it means 20% right...now u want 7% of that in each month right?

Well the answer from me is i dont know whether the 1 crore u investing means to u..i mean it may be 100rs or it maybe 1 crore itself.....

FIrst u need to be clear are u ready to accept the fact that if the 1 crore u invest god forbids becomes 30-40 lakhs in a bubble will u able to sustain yourself...?

will wait for that answer...the problem here lies we all say i made 70% or 100% return but the amount invested is petty so petty might be our return though 100%

If u want to invest in the safest and that too mf and shares way....check for auto sector companies like hero honda and the one which didnt showed any signs of recession on it.....ALso see for gold etf..as my favourite silver scripts doesnt exist in this field

My main question to all your queries is the whats your risk appetite?

DO u have enough insurance cover an all before making such a big investment

ANd i think i know this may sound silly too many biggies here but play on sites like moneybhai rediff and see how u perform over a period of time ...u cannot time the market...u need to search your own line all might give u advice like me but its u who have to decide yourself rather than listening to ppl including me....

Listen to all decide your own

Reason::Simple did Udyan or mitali told u recession is coming when sensex was 17k and market will tank half...they were all like 30k within this diwali 50k next diwali.....No one can time it...u need to read a lot of stuffs about sectors like how are they performing...like leaders of each field reality,auto,bak etc....how are they performing each month and all...where are their sales going or whom are they giving loans...than u decide

 

[amit_dangi]

Sorry amit but now i m confused..when u say 20 lakhs from 1cr..it means 20% right...now u want 7% of that in each month right?

Well the answer from me is i dont know whether the 1 crore u investing means to u..i mean it may be 100rs or it maybe 1 crore itself.....

FIrst u need to be clear are u ready to accept the fact that if the 1 crore u invest god forbids becomes 30-40 lakhs in a bubble will u able to sustain yourself...?

will wait for that answer...the problem here lies we all say i made 70% or 100% return but the amount invested is petty so petty might be our return though 100%

If u want to invest in the safest and that too mf and shares way....check for auto sector companies like hero honda and the one which didnt showed any signs of recession on it.....ALso see for gold etf..as my favourite silver scripts doesnt exist in this field

My main question to all your queries is the whats your risk appetite?

DO u have enough insurance cover an all before making such a big investment

ANd i think i know this may sound silly too many biggies here but play on sites like moneybhai rediff and see how u perform over a period of time ...u cannot time the market...u need to search your own line all might give u advice like me but its u who have to decide yourself rather than listening to ppl including me....

Listen to all decide your own

Reason::Simple did Udyan or mitali told u recession is coming when sensex was 17k and market will tank half...they were all like 30k within this diwali 50k next diwali.....No one can time it...u need to read a lot of stuffs about sectors like how are they performing...like leaders of each field reality,auto,bak etc....how are they performing each month and all...where are their sales going or whom are they giving loans...than u decide

or

Long term holdings of FIIS & Fund Houses in a Fund or Script can provide a very distinct idea to go long or Waite for a big correction................ :lol:

 

[magnet]

or

Long term holdings of FII’S & Fund House’s in a Fund or Script can provide a very distinct idea to go long or Waite for a big correction................ :lol:

Well FII holdings got less after their main parent were in trouble and started taking their money bak from all investment...when panic button was hit already....

Well OIL price and why its increasing can give u a good idea in short term.....whether demand supply stuff or whether some strike is increasing it...right now demand -supply is low and opec trying to keep ard 75$ barrel and reducing output for their personal profit....

But start jumping when u see a fall in market in strong shares...rcom,ideai looks interesting to me right now but can it deliver 20% in 3 months...that i cant say

 

[sudoku1]

or

Long term holdings of FIIS & Fund Houses in a Fund or Script can provide a very distinct idea to go long or Waite for a big correction................ :lol:

the funda of funds is that they buy in hoards making waves in media but exit in bits ....
FUNDA= MENTAL

 

[amit_dangi]

the funda of funds is that they buy in hoards making waves in media but exit in bits ....
FUNDA= MENTAL

Dear Mr. Sudoku1

What ever the quote you have mentioned, that is fully applicable on you.
Why? Because you just make your comment as per your vision if topic is x and you see that its y.
other wise your quote was Awesome.

No problem

Basic meaning of my question was to know the Current chances of long term positions when so many scripts has got its 4 to 6 time high from their lower level

LIKE -: SOME OF THE SCRIPTS
"ICICI BANK, AXIS BANK, VOLTAS, INDIAINFO, IFCI, JPASSOCIATES, HINDALCO, BAJAJHIND, APOLLOTYRE,
ASHOKLEY ,RENUKA ,BALRAMCHIN ,IDBI,CAIRN,TATAMOTORS ,ARVIND,INDUSINDBK,RUCHISOYA,EVEREADY,AMTEKAUTO,SH REECEM,ESCORTS,TATASTEEL,IDFC,SESAGOA,JINDALSTEL,N IITLTD,STER,DHANBANK,ICSA Etc.

&

Realty, telecommunication, and power sector are fluctuating by their fundamentals & Parma, InfoTech are not on height...............

At this point of time what is the + & - of long positions & how we can judge this?

I just applied some Commonsense to know the investment of biggies from last 10months time

(1) fii's ----- Apx 60000 crores rotational funding

(2) Fund Houses .......... Apx 30000 Crores rotational Funding

(3) Other Investors ....... Apx 40000 Crores Rotational Funding

then who can affect the market very sharply

Ans is very simple Fii's because fund houses follow them

That’s why I said" Long term holdings of FII’S & Fund House’s in a Fund or Script can provide a very distinct idea to go long or Waite for a big correction................

(a) Here long term holding means (before 10 Months to 5 Months Holdings) and last 3 months holding (Its increasing or going to be decline)

(b) Analyzed their last 3 years interactions with India economy about there
Money inflow and out flow

(c) Global atmosphere …………….? means china , us there market is moving very sharply but providing very less return only in hungry markets provide 40% return because its fresh & lesser educated market now India is not a fresh market but educated that’s why stay of fii's can be fluctuated sharply
More importantly global economy is in a phase of corrections..............

(d) Out flow of any artificial negative or positive news by governments
Relate to economy, politics foreign relations etc.?

One bad news is in focus from last 3 months, India & China problems......Not a good sign...............

Just Imagine if current investment of Fii's is going to decline and they will take 10000 to 15000 crore amount in a month which they are holding from Last 10 months to 5 months time then where will be sensex..............

I think above points are enough to understand the flow of market.........:rofl:

 

[munde_77]

Banks are giving 6 to 7 % per annum .You are asking for 6 to 7 % per month. It is not easy and practical. I think between 2 and 4 % is more realistic