The Holy Grail

The Holy Grail

  • The Holy Grail DOES NOT EXIST

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  • The Holy Grail EXISTS

    Votes: 15 8.7%
  • The Holy Grail EXISTS AND I KNOW IT

    Votes: 28 16.2%

    Votes: 15 8.7%
  • Don't care

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Words of Saint from Teach a Man to Fish

Get your trading strategies in place and above all stop and money management techniques. Money management is so important, even more than entry and exit strategies it is money management that separates the men from the boys, it is money management that is the Holy Grail in Trading. You have poor strategies but good money management WILL survive, you may not become a great trader, but you will still be around in a few years. On the other hand, if you are great at entries,and exits, but know zilch about money management you WILL come to your Doom sooner or later!!

Not trying to go all lunatic all over again but knowing money management is so very important, so so important. So, let us get down to a bit of Money Management in the next few posts

This part you MUST absorb, no two ways about it those that have read Elder would feel like taking a yawn on the next few posts. Do yawn, no harm though in reading again but to those who have never heard of this strange 2 words called "Money Management", the next few posts are for you and like I said before, there are no two ways about it.
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What do you all think is the holy grail of the stock market?
Managing Emotions While Trading........By Rande Howell

Integrating Left Brain and Right Brain Thinking for Balanced Trading

Trading seems so easy on the surface. Traders, while learning a methodology, are told (and believe), "Just follow the rules of your methodology and trading plan and you are on your way to achieving your dreams. Oh, and by the way, keep your emotions in check."

This little add-on after-thought, "just keep your emotions in check", comes to haunt nearly every trader until they learn to master and learn from their emotions. Curiously the highly left brained orientation (logical problem solving skill sets) of trader educational systems blind both educators and traders to the influence that our right brain (our emotional brain) has over a trader’s capacity to think effectively - and consequently the success of a person’s trading.

The flaw is simple and counter intuitive to the rationalistic lens through which we view the world. Particularly given a trader’s bias to find predictable certainty in the market. We get stuck in a way of viewing the world that believes, on a basic level, that if we really know the causal rules that logically govern the market, then we will succeed. This mindset depends on the existence of a set of rules "out there" that, once found, will be the Holy Grail of trading success. This is the essence of left brain thinking.

What neuro-science has discovered, however, turns our understanding of thinking and states of mind on its head. That seismic shift is this: The kind of thinking that a trader’s mind produces (for better or worse) comes out of the emotional state of the trader. And that is what influences the world that the trader sees and reacts to. There is no world "out there" that is deterministic - the world the trader sees is colored by the mindset of the trader who observes the world. And this is where traders get in trouble.

All thinking is emotional state dependent

Thought and state of mind follow emotion. Emotion does not follow thought. You trigger to emotion based on a disruption of an established familiar pattern. Then you begin thinking and reasoning from this emotional cloud. How can that be? It does not sound rational at all. And it’s not. It means we create our understanding of our world from our adaptations to our deepest fears and desires.

Take the housing bubble fiasco as an example. After the housing market blew up many observers began examining just how lenders could have possibly thought that they could loan money for houses to people who could not afford to pay back the loans. In fact, these people were incapable of making even the first loan payment. Yet, the house of cards continued to build. Everybody was doing it and nobody "saw" there was a problem. The entire industry never saw the disaster coming. When it blew up, they were surprised. But other people, who had not been sucked into the delusional thinking that comes from greed (fear of missing out), saw it coming and bet against it. They were not surprised. Very bright people were seduced by greed, and in the mindset that came out of greed, they became blind to the long term consequences of the short term nature of the emotion of greed. They became drunk on greed and their thinking was compromised.

What does this look like in trading? Most traders actually lose before their trading day begins. They enter their day already in a cloud of fear. (Most will have pushed the awareness of this fear out of their mind so they can avoid dealing with it - which is the biggest mistake the trader can make.) From this state of fear, their right brain’s biological wiring for negative appraisal biases their evaluation of trading opportunities. The emotion ramps up, seizes any semblance of impartial evaluation of the trade, and either the trader jumps in impulsively to avoid having to endure even more fear or he stays on the side line of the trade, waiting for more confirmation, until the opportunity passes.

And here is the kicker. When the trader goes back to review his trades, he looks at his trades incredulously and asks, "What was I thinking? I know how to trade - how could I have possibly made such a stupid decision?" The difference between the thinking from which he later evaluates his trading day and the thinking that drove his trading during heat of the trade is his emotional state.

Even before he started his trading day, his thinking was corrupted by fear. Out of his emotional state of fear came the mindset that evaluated the market. That mindset saw danger, not opportunity. That mindset blinded him to his risk management skills, and, instead, focused his attention on the avoidance of fear. Out of that, he acted irrationally and made decisions not consistent with his trading plan.

Then, after his trading day was over and he was in a calm state of mind, he reviews his trades and could not understand what possessed him to trade so foolishly. In his rationally (that’s an emotional state just like fear) trained mind (read bias toward the left brain), he can execute trades with confidence and consistency. Unfortunately, not being able to regulate his emotions, the trader does not know how to manage his emotional equilibrium in the heat of battle. This is exactly why the military trains their soldiers in conditions that resemble the chaos of battle where the fear of death is a real and present danger. They train soldiers to the clear-headed thinking that is needed for the emotional state of fear and its management. Traders need to train in a similar way.

The First Step to Emotional State Management

People do not have an effective understanding of what an emotion is and what it does. Until a trader grasps the power an emotion has over thought, particularly fear and greed, the door to understanding and managing his emotional nature will remain elusive and cannot be opened.

First, emotions are biological in nature and take over our psychology. They are not part of our psychology, but rather they are biological. They shape our psychology (our perception of the world). Fear, in particular, is the most primitive of our emotions. It is the mother of biologic survival. That is why a trader must learn how to manage fear, or it will continue to overwhelm the impartial, disciplined, patient, and courageous kind of thinking upon which successful trading is built. Though fear will never be eliminated from a trader’s psychology, its intensity can be regulated so that it does not sweep the mind away in a cascade of negative thinking that leads to catastrophic results. Once managed, fear can be directed to help build an effective methodology for risk management. This requires left brain and right brain integration.

The problem with most traders is that they attempt to push fear aside or ignore it. This certainly can be done on a short term basis, but as the trader has draw-downs on his trading account, it becomes clear that avoiding his fears in trading cannot be sustained successfully long term.

Traders must learn to honor their internal struggle with their fears. To do this, the fear must be approached - not avoided (hesitating to entering trades) or attacked (impulsive trading). When the trader approaches his fears and learns from them, he (or she) opens the opportunity to re-organize himself into a more effective trader.

Basic emotional state management principles apply here. Your body, your brain, and your mind have to be calmed to begin this process. Otherwise the chemical nature of fear in the body will quickly reach high levels of arousal and will hijack the trader’s capacity to maintain a calm state of mind. (Just ask any trader who has experienced the fear of pulling the trigger.) To interrupt this process, traders will need to learn to volitionally breathe diaphragmatically. This long slow style of breathing impacts the heart rate which is connected to the "fight or flight" response that is part of our primitive survival brain. Without interrupting the arousal of an emotion with this kind of deep slow breathing, the trader, in effect, is adding gasoline on the fire of an emotion - particularly fear. If not managed, the emotion will explode and take over thinking. Suddenly the trader has self doubt, second guessing his decisions, and is seized by fear. With diaphragmatic breathing, you choke the emotional fire and return to a state of calm.

This is not the "cure" to compromised thinking. It is the first aid relief of an emotional hijacking - much like an emergency room physician is going to first stop the bleeding before the real problem is addressed. The calmness releases tension from the body, which in turn helps slow down thinking. A calmer mind is necessary to develop the powerful skills of discipline, patience, impartiality, and courage that are so important to peak performance trading. This is where the trader’s state of mind for peak performance can be developed.

Mindfulness - the Second Step to a Peak Performance Trading Mindset

Getting your body, brain, and mind calm does not solve the problem of creating a performance state of mind for traders. However it does provide the trader skills and tools for the first level of emotional state management. Next you have to wake up from your mindlessness. You need to develop an awareness of the thoughts in your mind and begin to examine them. You have to become an observer of the thoughts in the mind, rather than blindly drifting wherever your thoughts take you.

What does that mean? Let’s use an example to illustrate. Imagine being in front of your computer screens waiting for a set up to appear. You are waiting with anticipation as several possibilities emerge. You watch as the possible trade approaches the entry point. Now it is at the entry point and you find yourself looking for confirmation and more confirmation. Tune into the conversation in your mind as you watch this trade. "Should I take this trade? What if I’m wrong? I need a little more confirmation before I pull the trigger! It’s here; pull the trigger before this one slips by? Are you sure?"

Have you ever found yourself in this type of internal conversation? If you are not lying to yourself (mindlessness) - then sure you have. In this case though, you are being asked to be mindful of your thoughts rather than to be swept away by them without observing them. Without training, most of us get swept away into this line of thinking without ever waking up to the activity going on in our mind. This is called mindlessness. And it produces disastrous trading results. Being mindless while trading is a set up for failure.

In mindlessness, the trader becomes blind to the thinking going on in his mind. And in that blindness, the trader is consumed by these emotionally charged thoughts. He or she may not even notice the thoughts or may believe that "they are only my thoughts". Becoming mindful of your thoughts takes away the power of the streams of thoughts to simply hijack your mind and take you to wherever they are going. In trading, mindlessness leads to poor trading results.

With applied mindfulness training specifically for trading, the trader becomes a witness to his internal thoughts rather than a blind victim. This "thinking" that you have now become mindful of can now be examined. What you learn in the development of mindfulness is that you and your thoughts are not the same. In fact, a more powerful question arises. Where do these thoughts come from?

We Trade Our Psychology - Our Unseen Beliefs and Biases

In the detached, calm assertive nature of mindfulness, we come to realize that thoughts are manifestations of our deepest beliefs and biases about ourselves, our worth, our (in)adequacy, and our power to influence our world. It is this core material that we have to re-organize to become peak performance traders.

Most traders avoid this necessary internal inspection of themselves and their deepest beliefs about who they are in the world. It causes short term discomfort, so our biology triggers us automatically to avoid the discomfort - the threat. It is all exposed in trading though. In fact, it is inescapable. In trading there is no place to hide from our deepest fears for long - it shows up their trading behavior and in their trading accounts. They manifest in the conversations (our thoughts) while in the midst of trading decisions. Until we develop the emotional intelligence to face our fears and learn from them, the trader will continue to produce mediocrity and draw downs to his or her trading account.

By calming the fear to a tolerable level, the trader can approach their own personal demons that keep them from organizing themselves into a peak performance trader. In mindfulness, we learn to separate our identity from the historical beliefs that we were born into. A powerful possibility occurs here. Freed from the power of our fears, we can rediscover much more powerful meaning and purpose in our lives. And from this deeper sense of self, the trader establishes the discipline, the patience, the confidence, the impartiality, and courage to change him or herself and become the peak performance trader living within.

This aspect of developing your trader’s state of mind can be called the re-invention of the self or the re-organization of the self. Emotional regulation leads the trader to a stability where he can sit with his fears and resolve them - rather than avoiding them. In applied mindfulness training, the trader develops the skills of separating his identity from his thought life. With further development, the trader begins to direct his attention mindfully and brings into the light of his awareness the discipline, confidence, impartiality, patience, and courage that are needed to blossom into a peak performance trader.

This is the internal struggle that goes on within every trader. This is the process of knowing the self and conquering your fears. The outcome is a much more purposeful, meaningful, and joyful life. As an added benefit, the trader develops a peak performance state of mind. And it begins by equipping yourself to embrace your deepest emotions and fears that manifest in your trading. With an open mind, you become what you were born to be. And trading is your teacher.
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First its very important to categorize,

1. Day Trader
2. Swing Trader
3. Position Trader
4. Technical Trader
5. Fundamental Trader
6. Scalp Trader
7. Short Term Trader
8. Long Term Trader
9. Part Time Trader
10. Retirement Trader

Please add more if other kinds have missed.


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5 Steps -

Step 3 - The Eureka Moment

Towards the end of stage two you begin to realize that it's not the system that is
making the difference. You realize that its actually possible to make money with a
simple moving average and nothing else IF you can get your head and money
management right You start to read books on the psychology of trading and identify
with the characters portrayed in those books and finally comes the eureka moment.

This eureka moment causes a new connection to be made in your brain. You
suddenly realise that neither you, nor anyone else can accurately predict what the
market will do in the next ten seconds, never mind the next 20 mins.
Because of this revelation you stop taking any notice of what anyone thinks - what
this news item will do, and what that event will do to the markets. You become an
individual with your own method of trading.

You start to work just one system that you mould to your own way of trading, you're
starting to get happy and you define your risk threshold.

You start to take every trade that your 'edge' shows has a good probability of
winning with. When the trade turns bad you don't get angry or even because you
know in your head that as you couldn't possibly predict it it isn't your fault - as soon
as you realise that the trade is bad you close it . The next trade or the one after it or
the one after that will have higher odds of success because you know your system

You stop looking at trading results from a trade-to-trade perspective and start to
look at weekly figures knowing that one bad trade does not a poor system make.

You have realised in an instant that the trading game is about one thing -
consistency of your 'edge' and your discipline to take all the trades no matter what
as you know the probabilities stack in your favour.

You learn about proper money management and leverage - risk of account etc etc -
and this time it actually soaks in and you think back to those who advised the same
thing a year ago with a smile. You weren't ready then, but you are now. The eureka
moment came the moment that you truly accepted that you cannot predict the
I wonder why some good threads remain silent. I have seen that many useless threads have lots of active participant. What ever. Your thread have lot of good info(at least I think so). Keep it up. :thumb: If you permit, i want to add some of my views here too. :)


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Thanks DM. Please go ahead, all views are welcome.

I wonder why some good threads remain silent. I have seen that many useless threads have lots of active participant. What ever. Your thread have lot of good info(at least I think so). Keep it up. :thumb: If you permit, i want to add some of my views here too. :)
Thank you all of you for reading this post, I have a very specific reason to thank all of you. I have seen that most of us has a tendency to learn quick strategy or methodology and making quick money in fortnight. LOL. I dont know about you, but I love History and theoretical approach on anything. I found that this particular thread is perfect to share my some views of biggest stock market doom and bloom. At the end of the reading I expect some view of you also. :)
Here is the some historical biggest events in global market, some happen in USA and some in UK. I know many interesting stories(real facts) about our BSE, NSE and my home town Calcutta Stock Exchange also. If other members find my post interesting, then let me know. I will post them also here.

These are the biggest events (doom) of Global stock market

  • Tulip mania (1637)
  • South Sea Bubble (1720)
  • Canal Mania (1792)
  • South American Mining Bubble (1825)
  • Railway Mania (1845)
  • Western Blizard Crash (1857)
  • US Civil War Boom (1861-1873)
  • The Great Crash (1929)
  • Black Monday (1987)

Anybody can google them or can use Wiki pages to know better. I am not going to copy and paste from there. :)

These are the biggest bubble bust known to me. I appreciate if other members add more here.


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