Option Logics

toughard

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#91


MAX OI PAIN moved higher to 7700!!
Nice to see the 8000CE OI showing strength and 7900CE not giving up...
Good time to book profits for this contract traders, if not for short!


I expect market to expire around MP AWA R1 @ 7720!!


7800 CE Bought is @ +3945
7900 CE SOLD is @ -875
Bearish Structure @ -2775
Butterfly @ -2210

Notional P&L from 4 trades @ -1915
 

toughard

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#92
Bearish Structure @ -2590
Butterfly @ -2100
7900 CE sold @ -50


7800 CE Closed @ +2900


Initiated a risky RISK REVERSAL like below but protected till 8000 level



Lets see...
 

toughard

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#93
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toughard

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#94
At the out set the market this week is almost like last week of the contract where a big move awaiting at 1st day of the series when price hitting and sitting at Res...

If its not the case on tomorrow or Monday then its full premium grinding for option writers rest of the contract, consolidation only phase...

7900 CE @ -330
Risk Reversal @ -1000
Butterfly @ -2420
Bearish Structure @ -2820


Couple of lessons learned here in this month based on below table... both will be put to use by next contract trades...


Lesson 1 - when price hits the HOI PE and bounces, its better to initiate bullish structures (green circle in pic), and vice versa!!
Lesson 2- RES and SUP derived from HOI CE PE should be dynamic awa HOI CE PE too are dynamic...


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#95
How you calculate support and resistance ji
 

toughard

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#96
How you calculate support and resistance ji

santhosh... its based on fib.. I have taken 60% and 80% which result in 20% difference in each res and sup...just work around to see
 

toughard

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#97

As expected range and chop...
Max OI pain @ 7800!!
sgx is still up...
If one try to derive the possibility of direction then he should look in to next month OI table..
Will update structures P&L by Monday EOD
 

rh6996

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#98
I posted this in some other thread too. Posting here to get more response !

Very new to Options. Please reply this very basic question :
I wish to trade Options based on my directional or view on levels. Examples :
Say at the start of the derivative month, Nifty is 7800, and my view is that Nifty may correct but will not close below 7500. During the month Nifty goes down to 7560 and recovers and crosses 7900.
a. If I bought a 7900 call at the start of the Month, how should I hedge it ?
b. I sold a 7500 PUT at the start of the month, how should I hedge it?

Thanks.
 

toughard

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#99
I posted this in some other thread too. Posting here to get more response !

Very new to Options. Please reply this very basic question :
I wish to trade Options based on my directional or view on levels. Examples :
Say at the start of the derivative month, Nifty is 7800, and my view is that Nifty may correct but will not close below 7500. During the month Nifty goes down to 7560 and recovers and crosses 7900.
a. If I bought a 7900 call at the start of the Month, how should I hedge it ?
b. I sold a 7500 PUT at the start of the month, how should I hedge it?

Thanks.
some of the bright things that you are having as new to option are
- you are trying to use options for directional trades
- you are considering them at the beginning of the month
in fact there is nothing called pure hedge/holy grail/fool proof methods in trading!!

If you do your "a" and "b" both at a same time it itself is a hedge!!

If you are trying to hedge a hedging instruments itself then you are trying to play structures/strategies, which got its own pro and cons as every method will have them...

Now to individually answer your questions-

- the way you analyzed that it will beneficial to buy 7900 CE, you may be having some targets, assume your target is 8100 then to hedge it you can sell 8200 options till it cover the buying cost....

other type is

- you sell 1 lot of 7800 CE and buy 2 lots of 7900 CE

same for PE side... but if you can share more details on your trade and need one by one then we can take it to next level of discussion....
 

rh6996

Well-Known Member
some of the bright things that you are having as new to option are
- you are trying to use options for directional trades
- you are considering them at the beginning of the month
in fact there is nothing called pure hedge/holy grail/fool proof methods in trading!!

If you do your "a" and "b" both at a same time it itself is a hedge!!

If you are trying to hedge a hedging instruments itself then you are trying to play structures/strategies, which got its own pro and cons as every method will have them...

Now to individually answer your questions-

- the way you analyzed that it will beneficial to buy 7900 CE, you may be having some targets, assume your target is 8100 then to hedge it you can sell 8200 options till it cover the buying cost....

other type is

- you sell 1 lot of 7800 CE and buy 2 lots of 7900 CE

same for PE side... but if you can share more details on your trade and need one by one then we can take it to next level of discussion....
I did 'actual trade" in Aug 2014 of miniature quantity.
On 31st July I bought One Lot around closing time 7900 strike Nifty CE at 53.xx
Around 10th or 11th Aug it went below Rs.10/-
Nifty did a low of 7565 or so during this period.
On 12th Aug market rose by 100 points and I bought 1 more 7900 CE at ~23 !
Yesterday it did a high of 67 and I exited 1 lot at 58 ! Now holding 1 lot with average cost ~20/-

Buying at 53, I could hold it even when it went down sub 10 was only because I was holding just 1 lot! Had I entered multiple lots I would have exited the very next day on 1st Aug when price plunged to below 25! Nifty had tanked by >100 points!

Any pointers how to handle such trade when aiming to trade say 50 lots ! :D