Low Risk Options Trading Strategy - Option Spreads

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Thanks for your suggestion, however i want to recover my loss of 65 points in minifty , if i go for April nifty it will arrest my further loss but probably it can't recover my incurred loss . However you are correct if nifty goes below 5200, I will face more loss, though my stop loss for my above trade including option is 5150. I need your view , please suggest.:)
5350-5150.. my head is spinning. If you have set the stoploss, how can you say that you aren't prepared to take losses on trade ?? :confused:

Hey, if it goes down, your mini is in profit, no hedging needed. You will need hedging only if you think it's going to rise. So, SG's suggestion of selling 5400PE sounds a very good option to me.

Now, I am not a specialist of any sort, but it seems to me that in the current series there isn't much time left to repair the trade, any reverse action has to be doubly fast. So, if you are a daredevil, sell two lots of 5400 PE. But be very very quick to get out if the index starts to fall.

Just my opinion, take your own trading decisions.
 
5350-5150.. my head is spinning. If you have set the stoploss, how can you say that you aren't prepared to take losses on trade ?? :confused:

Hey, if it goes down, your mini is in profit, no hedging needed. You will need hedging only if you think it's going to rise. So, SG's suggestion of selling 5400PE sounds a very good option to me.

Now, I am not a specialist of any sort, but it seems to me that in the current series there isn't much time left to repair the trade, any reverse action has to be doubly fast. So, if you are a daredevil, sell two lots of 5400 PE. But be very very quick to get out if the index starts to fall.

Just my opinion, take your own trading decisions.
5350 sl is valid for minifty only i.e my current situation , if I hedge it with 5400 pe then , i will place sl at 5150 for both . Thanks for your view.
 

DanPickUp

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Write (Short) 5400 PE On some downside during Intraday on Monday CPM of Friday 119.10

OR

Buy 3 Lots of 5400 CE also on reaction CMP 18.90


SG
Dear SG

Here an other idea:

If he thinks market will go up he better buys two at the money calls. His position then is called a " Long Call synthetic straddle ". If having this position, the risk is capped. This strategy is very useful when market RISES and FALLS significantly. Further advantage is uncapped reward.

DanPickUp

Edit: I just see the post 1756 where you talked about two lots atm calls.
 
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5350 sl is valid for minifty only i.e my current situation , if I hedge it with 5400 pe then , i will place sl at 5150 for both . Thanks for your view.
My friend, my point is that when you shorted at 5230 and placed a SL of 5350 (120 pts), with a RR ratio of even 1:1 you expected NF to fall to 5100. Now, something has changed your view and you are iffy about the downside. Fine, so on Monday, a) if it opens gap down and looks like trending down - do nothing because it's going your way, but bring your SL closer, b) if it opens gap down and looks like trending up - use hedging, c) If it opens gap up and looks like trending down - add to the shorts, d) If it opens gap up and looks like trending up - book losses, e) If it opens flat - use hedging. In case you hedge, don't look for deep SL, get out the moment your position is in profit or even flat. Just my idea.
 

DanPickUp

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Fine, so on Monday,

a) if it opens gap down and looks like trending down - do nothing because it's going your way, but bring your SL closer,

b) if it opens gap down and looks like trending up - use hedging,

c) If it opens gap up and looks like trending down - add to the shorts

d) If it opens gap up and looks like trending up - book losses,

e) If it opens flat - use hedging. In case you hedge, don't look for deep SL, get out the moment your position is in profit or even flat.
Nice post. Can be involved in any trading plan.
 
AW10/Seniors Pl advise:

Low Risk Options Trading Strategy - Option Spreads - 5100/5300 CALL

Direction : Bullish
Construction: Buy 1 Call/Nifty/5100/@ 284/-/26-04-2012
Sell 1 Call/Nifty/5300/@ 136/-/26-04-2012
Cost of Trade: 284 - 136 = 148/-
Max Risk - 148/-
Max Loss 148/- rs when market expires below 5100
Max Value of Strategy - 200
If market stays above 5300, giving us potention profit of 52 rs on investment of rs 166/-

Have I got the logic right? kindly advise
 
Hi, everyone

While trading in my dummy trading a/c on nseindia (dot) com i created the following bearish-debit-put-spread.

Case 1:
Construction: On 14th march'12 when the spot nifty was at 5430(approx.), i sold 5400 put for 92.05 and brought 5500 put for 138.05. The expiry was on 29th march'12.

So,
Net cost: 46
Max reward: 100
B.E.P : 5454

But on the day of expiry, and the premiums ended at,
5500PE: 316.00
5400PE: 214.80
NIFTY closed at 5180(approx.)

I.e. i have got Rs.60 additionally to the Rs.5000 reward i should have got.

I know Rs60 can be considered as a negligible amount, that too when it’s additional profit. But out of curiosity i checked the historical data on nseindia (dot) com, if such differences could lessen our max rewards, and i found the following situation (case 2)

Case 2:
Construction: On the same 14th march, the EOD premiums were the following,
5800PE: 306.85
5900PE: 392.10
I.e. i could have sold 5800PE for 306.85 and brought 5900PE at 392.10
So,
Net cost: 85.25 (approx., because the premium rates are from E.O.D data)
Max reward: 100, again.
B.E.P : 5814.75

I know no one would have gone for this spread because the net profit is quite less, but the possibility of nifty closing below 5800 (or below this spread’s B.E.P) was quite high, isn't it?
And moreover i have mentioned about this spread only for "discuss & gain knowledge" purpose.

Again, on the day of expiry, the puts closed at:
5800PE: 630.05
5900PE: 718.00
NIFTY closed at 5180(approx.)

In this case also i should have got a gross return of 100*50, Rs.5000, But with the premium rates at expiry (of 5800PE and 5900PE) mentioned above, the gross return i could have got is only Rs.4397.50 (87.95*50).

I.e. approximately 12% (approx.) less reward (gross return)
And approximately 18.30% (approx.) less profit (net return)

Wonder why the max reward obtained, varied from the calculated/expected max reward? Especially in the 2nd case when the underlying nifty index stayed way below the lower strike as expected and as it did in the 1st case.

P.S: In both the cases the spreads were created on 14th march'12 and both expired on 29th march'12, and in this same period the nifty traded between 5438-5194 and finally closed at 5179 on the day of expiry.

Is there any simple basic point i am missing here, if yes, what is it?
If no, i request the legends in this thread to look into both the above cases.

AW10 , what's your take on this?

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ADD: EOD premium prices used to construct/calculate the spread in the second case, were taken from the nseindia (dot) com's link provided below

http://www.nseindia.com/content/fo/fo_contractsdata.htm
 
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vssoma

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AW10/Seniors Pl advise:

Low Risk Options Trading Strategy - Option Spreads - 5100/5300 CALL

Direction : Bullish
Construction: Buy 1 Call/Nifty/5100/@ 284/-/26-04-2012
Sell 1 Call/Nifty/5300/@ 136/-/26-04-2012
Cost of Trade: 284 - 136 = 148/-
Max Risk - 148/-
Max Loss 148/- rs when market expires below 5100
Max Value of Strategy - 200
If market stays above 5300, giving us potention profit of 52 rs on investment of rs 166/-

Have I got the logic right? kindly advise

dear.
your calculations are ok.
as of my knowledge, risk reward ratio is 2.8:1 , which not good to initiate this strategy....( you are risking RS.2.8 to earn Rs.1 )

my suggestion is , if you are bullish about Nifty....add one more leg long call...it'll give you a good reward compare to risk...in your strategy upside is capped, but here uncapped....check with OO software.

seniors...pls. comment
 
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AW10

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Hi, everyone

While trading in my dummy trading a/c on nseindia (dot) com i created the following bearish-debit-put-spread.

Case 1:
Construction: On 14th march'12 when the spot nifty was at 5430(approx.), i sold 5400 put for 92.05 and brought 5500 put for 138.05. The expiry was on 29th march'12.

So,
Net cost: 46
Max reward: 100
B.E.P : 5454

But on the day of expiry, and the premiums ended at,
5500PE: 316.00
5400PE: 214.80
NIFTY closed at 5180(approx.)

I.e. i have got Rs.60 additionally to the Rs.5000 reward i should have got.

I know Rs60 can be considered as a negligible amount, that too when it’s additional profit. But out of curiosity i checked the historical data on nseindia (dot) com, if such differences could lessen our max rewards, and i found the following situation (case 2)

Case 2:
Construction: On the same 14th march, the EOD premiums were the following,
5800PE: 306.85
5900PE: 392.10
I.e. i could have sold 5800PE for 306.85 and brought 5900PE at 392.10
So,
Net cost: 85.25 (approx., because the premium rates are from E.O.D data)
Max reward: 100, again.
B.E.P : 5814.75

I know no one would have gone for this spread because the net profit is quite less, but the possibility of nifty closing below 5800 (or below this spread’s B.E.P) was quite high, isn't it?
And moreover i have mentioned about this spread only for "discuss & gain knowledge" purpose.

Again, on the day of expiry, the puts closed at:
5800PE: 630.05
5900PE: 718.00
NIFTY closed at 5180(approx.)

In this case also i should have got a gross return of 100*50, Rs.5000, But with the premium rates at expiry (of 5800PE and 5900PE) mentioned above, the gross return i could have got is only Rs.4397.50 (87.95*50).

I.e. approximately 12% (approx.) less reward (gross return)
And approximately 18.30% (approx.) less profit (net return)

Wonder why the max reward obtained, varied from the calculated/expected max reward? Especially in the 2nd case when the underlying nifty index stayed way below the lower strike as expected and as it did in the 1st case.

P.S: In both the cases the spreads were created on 14th march'12 and both expired on 29th march'12, and in this same period the nifty traded between 5438-5194 and finally closed at 5179 on the day of expiry.

Is there any simple basic point i am missing here, if yes, what is it?
If no, i request the legends in this thread to look into both the above cases.

AW10 , what's your take on this?

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ADD: EOD premium prices used to construct/calculate the spread in the second case, were taken from the nseindia (dot) com's link provided below

http://www.nseindia.com/content/fo/fo_contractsdata.htm
IMO, your 5800/5900 spread has been 6 to 7 strikes ITM compared to 5400/5500 spread which is just 2 or 3 strikes ITM.
Faraway strikes have low liquidity compared to nearer strikes, hence their pricing is at the mercy of smarter market players. That's why u see unfavourable price(hence profit) in 2nd case.
Near strikes are more active, hence you will get more realistic price on them. As they are high in demand, the demand supply (i.e. current sentiment) will still result in inefficient pricing but that will still be better than then 2nd scenario.

Hope this clarifies the doubt.

Happy Trading
 
Dear aw10 sir i m new to option and i want to know to which chart do we need to use in case of options underlying or of that option. I read a lot of things but could not get the clue about it. Please reply
 
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