To be a trader - 20 years'journey from novice to pro novice

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shall i show a tool?let us come to the point.

In order to succeed at trading, you must have an edge. Your edge begins with the knowledge you gain through your research and testing that a particular price pattern or market behavior offers a level of predictability and a risk to reward ratio that provides a consistently profitable outcome over time. Without it, one is just "playing" the market in order to have something to talk about on message boards. To get it, you have to know exactly what you're looking for and what to do with it once you've found it. This process is what the journal is all about.

The journal goes through several stages depending on where you are. Once you've decided where you want to concentrate your efforts (at this level, the journal may resemble a diary), then you begin the process of developing a system (or method, strategy, procedure, whatever you want to call it). Here the journal takes on a different character. Once you've developed a tentative/preliminary system, you begin testing/trading it, and the journal adopts a still different character.

The first step is to decide what kind of trader you want to be.

* What do you want to accomplish with your trading? Is it recreational? Supplementary income? A part-time job? Do you want to make a living at it? Even the greenest of the green knows whether or not he wants to make a living at it, trade only part time, trade for recreation, trade for the action, trade to have something to talk about with other traders (for whatever reason), trade only long enough to earn money to do or buy X.

* Do you have any idea what sort of trading is most comfortable? Long or intermediate-term trading? Short-term trading? Day-trading? Trend-trading? Scalping? (Note here that a short-term trader, for example, does not become a long-term trader just because his stop was hit and he didn't sell; a long-term trader doesn't become a short-term trader because he chickened out and sold too soon. Each of these approaches are selected deliberately and for thoroughly-considered reasons.) How patient are you? How adventurous? Are you a leader or a follower (most people think they're leaders)?
The second step is to decide what you're going to trade and when you're going to trade it.

* Have you found an instrument -- futures, stocks, ETFs, bonds, options -- that provides you with the range and volatility you require but also the safety that enables you to relax and trade in an objective and rational manner?

* Have you yet found a time (5m, hourly, weekly) or tick (1t, 200t) or volume (1K, 100K) interval that gives you enough trading opportunities but also gives you enough time to think about what you're doing? If you want to limit your trading to the "morning", are you physically and psychologically prepared to trade all day? If not, can you shrug off whatever opportunities you may miss by limiting the amount of time you spend trading?

The third step is to develop your system*.

A system consists of (a) a set of rules that you use to select profitable positions and (b) a set of rules that you use to manage the trade once you're in it. (*Note: again, whether you call it a system, a method, a strategy, a plan, a scheme, an approach, a procedure, or a modus operandi is not as important as sitting down and doing it.)

* Developing a system begins with deciding just what it is you're looking for. Therefore, begin by studying price movement in real time (or at the end of the day through "replay", if your charting program offers it). By "study", I mean to observe it with intent, not just read about it or listen to somebody talk about it. Note the conditions under which price rises, falls, drifts. Make every effort to avoid imposing your biases onto what you observe. You may see trading as a war, a competition, a game, or a puzzle. You may think you're out to kill somebody, outwit somebody, or are out only to detect the flow and slip into it, riding the waves as if you were sailing. None of this should be allowed to affect what you observe.

* Develop a set of preliminary hypotheses which exploit the profit opportunities presented by these movements, e.g. price began trending "here". Price broke out "there". Price reversed "there". What can I do to take advantage of that? What do I have to look for?

* Decide what strategy will best take advantage of what you think you've found. Are you looking to catch a reversal in the hopes that it will become a trend? Or are you looking to trade series of reversals within the day's or week's range? Or do you prefer to wait for a breakout and trade what may become a trend? Or would you rather wait for a retracement in what may be shaping up to be a trend? Limit yourself to only one strategy at the beginning.

Carefully define the setup which implements this strategy, preferably using old charts (attempting to define the setup by studying realtime charts is inefficient since you don't yet know what it is that you're looking for). This is called "backtesting". All else flows from this. Unless you know what you're looking for, you cannot test it, much less screen for it. If you have not tested it, you have no idea of the probability of its success. With no idea of the probability of success, any trades made are essentially guesses.

Therefore, focus on the setup. One setup. Determine its characteristics. Define it so specifically and so thoroughly that you can recognize it without any doubt whatsoever in real time. Decide provisionally where best to enter, what the target ought to be, where the stop should be placed, and so on. Only after the setup is defined and tested (and it can't, ipso facto, be tested until it's been defined) can one even begin to think about trading it with real money, much less trading multiple setups. Attempting to shortcut this process merely expands the amount of time it will take to develop the necessary skills. Nothing is gained by painting the house before scraping it, cleaning it, and priming it since you'll have to do it all over again sooner rather than later.

* Forward-test what you have so far, again using old charts, preferably replaying them (if replay is not available to you, then scroll through them, bar by bar). In other words, "pre-test" the setup. Make whatever modifications are necessary to the setup, i.e., re-examine and re-define your strategy. Address risk management, trade management, money management in further detail. Determine the ratio of winning trades to losing trades (you will, of course, have to define "winner" and "loser", which is where risk management and trade management come in). Determine the ratio of profit to loss. Determine the maximum loss. Determine the maximum number of consecutive losers.


Note that beginners often use "win/loss" to combine two separate considerations into one, and failing to keep them separate can create problems. One is win:lose. The other is profit:loss. Between the two, the "lose" and the "loss" have two distinct meanings. Win:lose refers to the ratio of winning trades to losing trades. Profit:loss means, expectedly, the ratio of profit to loss.
You'll read that the % of winners can be less than the % of losers as long as the winners are sufficiently profitable, one's management is superior, etc. And, yes, theoretically, one can "win" less than 50% of the time if his profits sufficiently outweigh his losses. But if your real-time real-money test begins with a string of the losses anticipated by your backtest, you'll be out of the game almost before it begins. In fact, one can be left high and dry even if his % of wins outnumber his % of losses, as mentioned above, if there is insufficient control of the amount of loss OR if the losses occur in sufficiently high numbers at the beginning of the trial.Then there are commissions and assorted trading costs to take into account, which is why traders who actually trade find that, without size, all the postulations about percentage don't mean much in practice.
* Paper-trade this plan, in a simulated environment, as a semi-final test, until you are satisfied that it performs at least as well as it did during the previous testing phase. This may take several months or more depending on how many trials you perform. If your plan is not consistently profitable, go back however many steps are necessary to arrive at a potential solution. (See also Making High Probability Trades.)

* Trade the plan using real money in real time, spending only what is absolutely necessary on "tools" and trading the minimum number of shares, contracts, etc., allowable. If your plan is not consistently profitable, go back .however many steps are necessary to arrive at a potential solution. Recalculate your win rate and profit:loss ratio on a continuing basis.

* If your plan is consistently profitable in practice, increase your size to what is a comfortable level, maintaining a continuous loop of re-appraisal and re-evaluation. When things come unglued, back up as far as necessary to regain your footing.


Novices rarely do any of this. They borrow something from somebody or somewhere and perhaps modify it somewhat, but they rarely go through the defining and testing process themselves. Some just try whatever seems like a good idea and hope for the best.

If one has absolutely no idea where to begin, there is nothing wrong with using a canned strategy IF it is used only as a point of departure. In other words, the canned strategy, regardless of what it is or what claims are made for it, still has to be tested, which often entails taking what is unexpectedly vague to begin with and defining it to a level of specificity that enables the testing to take place (it should come as no surprise that those who do go through the process succeed and those who don't, struggle, often to the point of being driven out of the market). Examples of canned strategies that are reasonably well-defined include the Darvas Box, the Ross Hook, the Opening Range Breakout, O'Neil's Cup With Handle, Dunnigan's One-Way Formula. Some of these are more vague than others and will require considerable work on definition before they can be tested. But they serve as points of departure
A journal should be more than just a trading log – bought here, sold there, made this, lost that. It should be a record of your journey (that's why it's called a "journal"). If done correctly, a journal will reveal patterns. Patterns of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong and when and how often and under what circumstances. Patterns of the behaviors of those who are trading your stock (bond, fund, option, whatever). Patterns of the market you're trading, of its cycles, of its stages, of what works at some stages and in some cycles and not in others. It will reveal much regarding your trading. It will also reveal much regarding your self.

Addressing the questions asked in Part One and defining and testing the setup are only the preliminaries. Eventually, one starts trading, if only on paper, and that is where the journal can make the difference between success and failure.

A journal is not just a record. It is also a plan. Before the first trade is ever made, even if only on paper, prepare for the day. Note any events that you should be aware of (reports, press releases, meetings, speeches, testimony, nuclear explosions, approaching meteors, etc). Write down reminders of any elements of the trading plan that you're having trouble with and what you intend to do about them, e.g., “don’t take any trades anywhere but at support or resistance” or “be wary of wide-range bars” (this may be necessary as early as the afternoon of the first day).

Above all, record your justification for each and every trade. Record your thoughts before, during, and after the trade, written in real time* (your perception of what looks to you like a potential setup will change substantially after the “setup” resolves itself, and when you ask, later, “what the hell was I thinking?”, your record of your thoughts -- your "self-talk" -- will tell you, so that the next time, in real time, you’ll have a deeper and more rational perspective). This is more than just the reason for the trade (“It looked like it was going to go up”). It is more than the rationalization (“It was time for it to go up”). It is more than the mystic prompt ("I felt it was going to go up"). It’s the justification for it, the explanation that one would provide to one’s boss or client if he were trading for someone else. If everyone wrote down the reasons behind and justifications for every trade, their learning curves would be accelerated dramatically.

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At the end of the day, review your decisions. Did you make good trading decisions, i.e., did you follow your rules or not? If you followed your rules but made one or more losing trades anyway, do any of your rules need to be re-examined? If you didn’t follow one or more rules, which do you most often fail to follow? What’s the problem? What did you say to yourself at the time? What do you need to work on the following day? Always, what could you have done differently to improve the outcome? Can it be tested to find out if it's only an occasional anomaly or worth incorporating into the system?

And then you write down your detailed plan for the next day . . .

Everywhere there are people telling us that this path or that path is the one we should take. How are we to decide? Most of us end up stumbling along through a trial and error exploration of various systems, methods, techniques, and whatnot. Some of us find something that works. A great many do not, and quit in frustration, or broke. (John Forman)

Make journals a part of the daily routine – Even if you don’t trade on a particular day, it is valuable to review the day’s setups and behavior at key price levels. Reviewing patterns on different time frames can also help traders internalize the context of the markets they are trading, as well as the interrelationships among those markets. The French scientist Louis Pasteur observed that, in matters of observation, “chance only favors prepared minds”. Replaying market days, reviewing your own performance, and identifying missed opportunities prepares you for future performance, as your increasing familiarity with trading patterns sensitizes you to them in real time.

Incorporate specifics in your journals – If I had to identify the single most common shortcoming among trading journals, it would be their absence of detail. Entries such as, “I lost my discipline; I have to be more patient,” might be nice as post-it reminders, but are inadequate as journal entries. Journals need to clearly state what happened, your assessment of why it happened, and the specific steps you intend to take to deal with the situation in the future. A good rule is that anyone reading your journal should be able to identify and follow the exact same steps that you intend to take in the future. Your journal should be a planning document, not a statement of intentions.

Wherever possible, review your journal entries with a valued colleague or mentor – When I established a training program for new traders, one of my first steps was to insist upon daily review of trading journals. This required me to create a trusting and constructive environment, so that traders would be honest in their entries. Once that openness developed, the daily reviews became proactive planning sessions (usually shortly before the start of the trading day) that addressed issues before they could damage the profit/loss statement. Even more important, the daily review created expectations of accountability, as traders knew that my inevitable question would be, “How did you do with your goals for the day
Use journals to review positive trading performance, as well as problems – The number two shortcoming among journals is their focus on problems to the exclusion of solutions. If journals become a mere recounting of one’s flaws and inadequacies, traders will inevitably lose interest in them. Traders can learn as much from what they do right as from their errors. My favorite instruction to new traders is to highlight in their journals one thing that they did right the previous day that they want to replicate today and one thing that they could improve upon in today’s trading. This forces traders to stay in touch with their strengths, as well as their failings.

Each journal entry should include material about the markets and material about the trader – It is not unusual for traders to emphasize one at the expense of the other. The core concept I stress with traders is that of pattern recognition. Traders display patterns in their behaviors: some of these are positive; others interfere with profitability. Markets enact their patterns as well; it is the trader who can see these as they emerge and act quickly that has the best chance of long-term success. Including material about trading patterns and traders’ patterns makes the journal a learning tool about oneself and the markets
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Price ,displays a value perception in human mind,these individual perception translated in buy or sell orders ,exerts an inertia to price , to move kinetically.Hence at SAME PRICE a buy & sell is simultaneously generated in 2 human mind .
yes-
its a two way percept..unfortunately various timeframe viewing by others with biased openion made it complex. next the fear if i wrong..dilemma
create situation an abrakidabra........ur vision /sense/price direction guidance
............with the help of experience can keep u in right track....analyst does the thing after..only a trader can move through by balance,indicator is nothing but an approach to rationalise it.
 

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wrong traders
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Poor money management
Trading against the trend
Over reliance on discretion for entries and exits
Failure to confirm trends and setups on longer timeframes
Poor use of stop loss orders (too close, or too far away) - placing them for the wrong reasons
Overtrading
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SOLUTION:Identify the trend, and trade with the trend
Confirm setups with multiple timeframes (5min, 30min, and daily for intra-day trading)
Keep a full record trades taken, MONEY won/lost, reasons for entering and exiting, and thoughts
Keep small stakes for the time being, until consistent profits can be achieved
Avoidance of "gamble entries" and high risk trades
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FOR HIGHER LEVEL
1. DEVELOPMENT OF A TRADING PHILOSOPHY
2.DEFENSIVE TRADING STYLE
3.DEFINE RISK AND YOUR RISK TOLERANCE LEVEL AND TIME FRAME U NORMALLY TRADE RIGHT
4.PRINCIPLE VS ACTUAL TRADING RESULT
5.LOOK FOR THE SIGNIFICANT FACTOR ..HOW TO DO NEWS TRADING
6. CAN U LEVERAGE IN REAL SENSE? CONCEPT OF USE MORE MONEY TO WINNER.......CONCEPT TO USE TIME BY TAKING PAID CALL...CONCEPT OF BACKTEST TO USE TO WHAT WORKS IN PAST FOR CONFIDENCE BUILD UP
7. BELIEVE IN PROBALISTIC THEORY , YET A FEEL FOR PRICE...BUT CONTINUE TO TRADE AND HOLD ONLY IN THE DIRECTION OF TRADE...KEEP FAITH AS PRICE IS SUPREME.

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SO THE TOOL IS NOTHING BUT HIMSELF BY WHICH PLAYING IN HIS STRONG ZONE HE CONSISTENTLY MAKES MONEY OUT OF MARKET [ANY INDICATOR OR INDICATORS WHICH SIGNAL CONFIDENT RATIONALISED BUY AND SELL]HE KNOWS HOW TO HANDLE SUBJECTIVITY..RUMOR...LOSS AND PROFIT...

PS. i have professional operational research background...presently given a complex risk analysis for a project...so i have to move out before inauguration of my present project.[ i believe in hard work philosophy....so the load comes to me ...its 14 month project...real swot and actual implementation.i traded @2002-03 with earning 50000pm-salary cut 30000=20000pm...hence only swing trading possible.Offerred job 1yrback @60000, but i decline.my long association with chess reflected .in last 4 yr of testing and trading with real money...many a system checked based on metastock /omnitrader....only some useful one in beginners term ...i write it in trading system of beginner'
without mathematical jargon[ GOD knows how difficult to control my mathematical inclination....regularly abused by GM[ a qualified engineer with versatile project depth,of course an MBA...'who can follow this 3vector nonsense risk analysis and profitability.......make it simple so CA can sanction
...give him only bep....+3month pert [OR term]...............i can take credit..
my boss never believes...i can write in plain and simple english.
traderji.com...an excellent forum for budding trader ....these are my 3 gold coins..
HOWEVER 1 HAS TO READ TO FIT JIGSAW PUZZLE...another hints read /use dynamic trading ...use price , volume and time element.
 

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LEARN FROM ANALOGY
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Stock market chess
1.there is always a seller for a buyer.see otherside of story,..only one can be right2.evaluate only what matter,nothing more3.chess in totality contain perfect info, unfortunately market is not.4.decifer price, if nothing visible go with intuition[an intellectual skill developed based on pattern study & problem solving skill5.play market with a plan ,longterm or shortterm6.review constantly in eod and adjust accordingly. Look at market�s last day activity and last hr7. don�t waste money[don�t allow loss to run]8.press winner when u have them9.winning reqd not only perfection from u,also mistakes from others.10.when u have got early signal, buy.11.always give high priority with nifty12.development of knowledge , time is money.13.don�t try leverage if u cant handle,use resource wisely14.trade study�never ignore mistake15. stay in your own zone,stock selection16. fundamental contrarian, high level of vision Chess tells u to think /not impulsiveCheck opponent�s pt of view.2.tactics is very imp[don�t only read]4.always see sacrifical trap and positional strategy5.3move attack vs. attack on king .6.refer to move at hand and opponent�s last move7.never allow unnecessary pc loss.8.know how to win �won�game.9.play well also watch,opponent may give u opportunity.10.take initiative.11.it�s the center.12.development of pc, it needs purpose13.premature attack is costly.14.chess study..admit blunder and reason of loss15.don�t be flashy to win16.grand master break the rule as he sees better, others understand it later.

Here i am trying to write a great discussion with arun k...it was 2003. [his father was manager of indian bridge team]have u played bridge ?'...i asked. he smiled. he had given a good lecture on indian economy..effect on suppose pn r banned..he was a part of india shining slogun,....so i told him 'trading is nothing but a bridge competition. cards come ..u have to play.partner is ur system ..u have to tune.play 2/3 yr of practice deal..so with all/various conditions how to react ....is ready for u.opponents r other participants in market...never allow to win.so at best..u can defend ..not to give extra tricks.
but sometimes they overbid ..your hand suggest..something wrong..u got oppurtunity..now double..and ;'score high'....BUY IN OVERSOLD MARKET..OR BOOK PROFIT ..IN OVERVALUED MARKET.
u got a good hand..u have to play as declarer...thats the oppurtunity u must buy..but ready for bad colour brake..by defender.try to score as best as possible with limiting risk.
bidding system...a general trade governing rule by which u decide 'whether to play..or its better to defend'
competitive selection trial..pairs event'...the game played with same card with directional opponent..your score shall be 'comparatively better with others'.............IT IS THE DAYTRADING..UR ULTIMATE SKILL WILL BE TESTED
UNLESS EXECUTION MASTER..AND GREAT SURVIVAL SKILL'DONT COME'...however its a reality checking m/c to know where u stand in trading arena.
Ninety-nine percent of the people in the business are followers. They’re not creative and they’re not willing to rely upon themselves to make decisions, so they rely upon other people. When the decision is right they take credit for it, and when it’s wrong they point fingers at other people. And out of that one percent who do make their own decisions and create their own tools, 99 percent of them are going to be wrong, so you’ve got about one-tenth of one percent that are going to be right.The market is [full of lemmings] :everyone feeding off one another, following the media, and following a trend.
TRUE STENGTH...SEE THE BIGGER WAVE ..BEFORE ITS FORMING...
THE PROBABLE PT WHERE IT CAN FORM...
READY WITH MONEY TO TAKE POSITION..
ALTERNATE SCENARIO...[AS SUGGESTED BY GREAT CV]...KEEP EYE..JOIN WHERE AND WHEN BIG WAVE IS FORMING...OTHERWISE SIT IDLE.

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Why it is happening
when it is going to happen.

2)Exiting when you are not supposed to exit and entering when you are not required to enter in a particular stock.

3)Counting on blessings and prayers if you are in this category believe me you trying to jump from a hill without any safety rope

( Just imagine a million people entering into a trade and half of them praying for market to go down a lil bit so that the short positions they have created they can exit in profit and half of them praying to market to go up because of a long position they have created they can exit. Imagine what God gonna think of these situation. He may say “you all gone crazy on the other place he might ask “who the hell has told you to catch the tail of a running elephant” Don't put God in a confusion beacuse it was your mistake.

4) He calls this mistake illusion judgment: Spell bound with an imagination this stock is bound to go up and it will go up and one still wait and wait suddenly the stock enters into the red territory and one just stands there spell bound not believing not ready to accept and still waiting . That’s a deadly mistake.

5)Not doing the homework and entering into the danger zone on some dump shot recommendation and tips out of 10 dump shot 2 or 3 works and when rest 7 shots go wrong on a particular day it takes out the entire effort of the previous week how sad….!!

I still remember there was ones a person called Jai Reddy this guy I saw him trading daily one or two trades everyday and profit 10 to 20 K take home I said wow!! What a man I once asked him he used to sit at brokers terminal all day.
How do you do it,
he said to me u trade I said yeah!! From where 'I said" online "he said: well dear "internet I don’t know" how to place a trade "I have a habit of coming everyday to this dealer I just love the terminal you Know"…..I said how he does it ….well just ignored me but I was after him everyday so one Saturday I caught him near a tea stall so requested him and he gave me 5 rules to follow I just gave above……
His words I still remember he used to say: Your mind is a chart and your memory is a terminal and your strategy is your dealer who will push the target through”

You can take those numbers home all you have to do is be quick and leave the greed

Every knew day has its own advantage after all it’s the eagle who grabs the pray even in the blowing wind it keeps on flying eyes constant and focused that’s what you need he said. If your eyes are focused on a scrip everyday each passing day have patience believe me It will give you the opportunity to grab it…Just try it.
TRADING PERFORMANCE
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VISUALISE..A chess player analyzing the board for the next move...
Trading as a Performance Activity.Humans choose when to take action and when to refrain; they can select various courses of action on different occasions and can invent new strategies when needed. performance is a function of the chosen actions of performers, the correctness of those choices, and the skill with which the actions are carried out. Activities that are performed well on a consistent basis require a high degree of skill. A lucky outcome is exception.There are individuals who can be identified as expert performers. With very rare exception, expert performers are ones who have developed their talents over time. Most expert performers undergo specialized training to cultivate their talents.

They require a specialized knowledge base. To perform well in a field, a person must master the information and skills specific to that field.
Trading, as a performance activity, has much in common with chess. It is competitive, requiring a high degree of concentration and strategy. It also features a limited number of actions that, in combination, create a large array of possible strategies and actions. This makes both activities easy to learn, but difficult to master. Chess can be played in lightning fashion, with very little time between moves, or it can allow players many minutes to plan moves—or even days (postal chess). Trading can also be conducted on a very short-term basis or can be planned and executed over hours or days. These similarities make chess an excellent starting point for examining the performance dynamics of trading, especially since chess is one of the performance fields most studied by researchers.A well-replicated finding in chess research is that the memory processes of experts are different from those of non-experts. One intriguing set of studies took chessboard arrangements from a past tournament games and briefly showed them to expert players and novices. Afterward, the expert chess players were able to recall the positions of many more pieces than the novices. When the two groups were shown chessboards with randomly arranged pieces, however, their recall of the positions of the pieces was quite limited. The researchers’ conclusion was that experts do not have better memories than non-experts; rather, they have better memories for meaningful relationships among chess pieces. Instead of remembering where each individual piece was on the board, the experts viewed the board as clusters of pieces and remembered these. When the board was randomly arranged, there were no meaningful clusters of pieces and the experts had no effective means for encoding their information.

How do expert chess players gain this ability to perceive meaningful patterns among pieces? Because chess players are given ratings based upon their tournament play, it is relatively easy to compare experts (masters and grandmasters) with less accomplished players. When a variety of factors are incorporated into multiple regression equations to predict chess ratings, two stand out as highly significant:The number of books owned and The cumulative number of hours spent in practice correlation between the amount of time spent in practice and current performance ratings was .60
it is necessary to understand what chess books are and how they are used. These texts typically break the game down into components (opening, endgame, defenses, etc.) and present historical games from tournaments, along with annotation from an expert author. Readers do not merely skim over these games; they learn specific opening or defensive sequences and then see how these were utilized in actual games. They recreate those games on their own boards and carefully play through the positions, so that they can see what the expert players saw. They also play through alternate sequences to observe where these might lead.

Interestingly, chess experts do not have significantly more chess-playing experience than non-experts. Rather, a higher percentage of the experience of experts is spent in the systematic practice of various facets of the game. Non-experts tend to spend a higher proportion of their time in games against similarly-skilled opponents. This experience neither exposes the learner to the moves of experts, nor does it provide time for a careful review of moves, exploration of alternate lines, etc. In the Charness work, the correlation between solitary practice and chess ratings is almost twice as high as the correlation between practice with others and ratings. This is because solitary practice with chess books allows learners to obtain chess knowledge in context. Instead of focusing on the moves of an opponent, learners encounter—again and again—those meaningful configurations of pieces that appear in the games of experts
Because of this, chess students can create and play through almost any challenging situation imaginable, drawing upon the accumulated wisdom of experts. Trading possesses no such database. Trading books, unlike chess texts, are not annotated compilations of the trading decisions of objectively rated experts. One cannot use trading books to recreate trading sessions or to systematically explore trading decisions and their alternatives.As a result, traders tend to spend little time in the systematic practice that is the single greatest predictor of chess expertise.REMEMBER...In every performance field, the development and maintenance of expertise requires a high ratio of time spent in practice relative to time spent in actual performance.Athletes spend far more time working out, practicing, and scrimmaging than actually playing in competitive events.Only significant time spent in absorbing winning and losing chess enables players to internalize the patterns of play that distinguish experts from non-experts. The trader who spends more time to learn,observe and practice..definitely is superior.The expert trader needs to be able to review and re-experience markets and systematically rehearse facets of trading performance: entering, managing, and exiting positions.Think of each trading session as a chess game, and each game as a contest between two expert players named “Bull” and “Bear”. Every short-term swing in the market is a move by Bull or Bear that ultimately leads either to a victory for one of them or a draw. In tracking the moves of Bull and Bear, we can pause the match at any point and observe how each player exploits the weak moves of the other. With the aid of an electronic database that collates similar trading sessions, we can even explore how alternate moves by each side produce different outcomes. Moreover, we can play and replay the “games” (and their similar variants), seeing if our simulated trading decisions accurately reflect our reading of the strengths and weaknesses of the players’ positions.

How could we practice this?Programs that allow users to save and replay tick data are especially valuable, as this creates a library of trading sessions akin to the collections of chess games found in books... general rules and advice do not turn chess novices into experts, and there is no reason to believe they will advance the performance curve for traders. Knowledge and practice—and especially the direct experience of knowledge-in-practice—are the keys to the acquisition of expertise.so now we know why most socalled traders fail.. they have failed to structure their learning to facilitate expertise.
they fail to put systematic work into performance....HENCE LEARN DYNAMIC TRADING CONCEPT..AND IMPLEMENT IT.
u have played enough chess trap ..opponent understand your original intention later...so u win by winning in thinking...planning..better than in higher time frame.
only idea to play to make money...wherever u buy u have to sell higher.
so when we buy ...hoping now it shall move up.suppose i play 10min. chess against u [ur time limit 1hr]...still i shall win..as i have practiced it more than 6yr....so amateur shall lose unless unless ..within 1st ten of a state..with rating higher than 2200.same case in trade...i novice must lose against good pro SS ...as i fumble before entry...where as u know actual move ....

bookish idea has given clearly by dr elder.BUT I BELIEVE ALL BIG MOVE MUST START WITH SMALL ONE.....AFTER X...3-5% VALUE IT HAS SOME TENDENCY TO CONTINUE...MANY A FAIL...THATS RANDOM MOVE...

so predictive resistance is a profit booking idea for support buyer...and x pt is nothing but oppurtunity for break out player..
as a pro since u play both ...u know ...i am right...

however monumental works done by j m hurst........

also at www.ino.com....regarding which time frame to choose....for formless trading

Q.'when somebody goes against the trend on Daily charts, ie let us say the trend is up, and you sell, will it not be a blunder? Remember, you are initiating a trade in the wrong direction in the first place and then you hope to cover!?

ANSWER 'on purity basis against primary wave..intermediate term ..short move occurs which utilise wisely by pro like u.so the person knows bothside of story...when to feed ...when to ride.SIGNAL MUST LITTLE DIFFICULT TO EMPLOY...HOWEVER..those who have seen enough[by staying in mumbai..nearby sea and financial capital can react quickly enough to earn..
for fool like us ..its a losing game...winning little,lose more...out of frustation missing the big oppurtunity.

basis of profit is how many fools r after u...the story of catching bear before it catches u..suddenly gun found locked...its ur turn to run...hoping u run faster...and bear catch ur friend who is not so expert in flying away...i see this analogy on regular basis on tv...telling to HOLD..BY SUITED BOOTED PRO...SO THAT THEY CAN GET OUT...OR SHORT WELL...

TRUE STENGTH...SEE THE BIGGER WAVE ..BEFORE ITS FORMING...
THE PROBABLE PT WHERE IT CAN FORM...
READY WITH MONEY TO TAKE POSITION..
ALTERNATE SCENARIO...[AS SUGGESTED BY GREAT CV]...KEEP EYE..JOIN WHERE AND WHEN BIG WAVE IS FORMING...OTHERWISE SIT IDLE.

note: on a trade basically u r trading an openion [bullish or bearish] with money......always ready to be wrong[being humbled by market]and occasionally u shall be correct...but when right bet big,..BIG ENOUGH to run your family expediture on a single trade. price confirmation is the only condition for holding a trade.
 

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MENTORING
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it is a process by which a more skilled /experienced person teaches/encourages/counsels a less skilled /experienced one for promoting latters professional and personal development in a friendly environment.
1]first understand what is going on
2]discussion is the method
3]relevency
4]learning a job/skill development
5]ready to change but how?
mission and strategic statement ....aim....strategy..to reach it.
strive for excellent concept
6] concept of VALUING.
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MENTEE'S AIM: SUPPORTIVE SELF DEVELOPMENT
relation depends on degree of trust and mutual regard
MENTOR HELPS TO MENTEE TO REALISE HIS POTENTIAL[ ACTUAL]
first aspire...then aspire to ACHIEVEMENT
PLAN:
GET A WHOLE PICTURE AND LEARNING ATTITUDE[ i know little , i must work hard to learn & change myself]
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IDENTIFY MENTOR[confidene build up measure]

1] who shall take interest in my welfare and development
2] can he be role model?
3] can he be helpful to uncover my talent or ability, resolve difficult situation
4] aim to acquire new vision.
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some concept r useful
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concept of a manager....suppose to manage the situation both man and material to the best of interest of organisation & situation
...
discussion type..open and close......
open ...ready to discuss anything
close..ready to discuss to sp. related topic ..as agreed
AFTER LEARNING MENTEE gets a new vision what is possible
then practice to apply
benefit to a mentor
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something monitorily....but actually of trust/more fulfilled ..concept of purposeful
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COACHING...SP. TIGHT FOCUSSED GOAL
TRAINING.......A REPEATATIVE CONCERN TO FOLLOW AFTER UNDERSTANDING....TO DEVELOP SKILL
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APPRAISAL......ITS A PAST OF FORMAL SYSTEM/INDIVIDUAL..TO EXPRESS ONE'S STRENGTH AND WEAKNESS, MAY BE PERFORMANCE RELATED ,TO PROMOTE OPPURTUNITY[ if wrong penalty]
it is also knowing 'matter of fact' ....regarding ones +/- pt
to improve performance
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notes taking is a good way to learn.......

progress and development
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step 1: getting started ................talk to other mentor/ talk to who has gone through it
reflect upon 'own experiment'
step2:relevent job relaterd experience and skill[u have]
. interpersonel skill to learn and to deliver
a DESIRE ...
AN OPEN MIND FLEXIBLE ATTITUDE
..RECOGNISATION OF WHAT U WANT TO IMPROVE
..TIME AND WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE
...DEVELOPMENT OF U VS. DEVELOPMENT OF OTHERS
..VALUE OF EXPERIENCE AND COOPERATION
.......................
STEP 3] AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT.
........A] UNDERRSTAND SYSTEM [MARKET]..HOW IT WORK
B] HOW CAN I BE FIT THERE
C]ACQUIRE OPEN FLEXIBLE ATTITUDE TO LEARNING/GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE
D] UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT AND CONFLICTING IDEAS/ SITUATIONS
E] BE AWARE OF VESTED INTEREST
F] OVERCOME PERSONAL SETBACK HOW TO WIN OVER OBSTACLE
G]ACQUIRING SP SKILL
H]GAINING OF KNOWLEDGE AND CHECKING ITS RELEVENCY
I] PREPARE YOURSELF AS EXPERT[EXPERTISE IN ANYTHING]
J]ADJUST TO CHANGE
K] UNDERSTANDING VALUE IN THE CONTEXT OF SITUATION ...[VARIABLE TIMEFRAME BY VARIOUS ONLOOKER...IN SHARE MARKET]

SOME GROUND RULE AND A MODEL
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1]ALWAYS ASSESS FIRST
2]A SCHEDULE TO WORK
3] A 'GROUND' TO WORK[ON WHICH] ...AND WHICH NEEDS FURTHER ATTENTION
4] RELATIONSHIP STUDY FOR EFFECTIVENESS.....ENHANCE ONES KNOWLEDGE ....UNDERSTAND FILTRATION IN LEARNING/MATURING
.........FEEDBACK LOOP CHECK
..................I PROPOSE A 3 STEP MODEL
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1]EXPLORATION OF NEW IDEA
2]NEW UNDERSTANDING
3] PLANING UR ACTION
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this model pt i expand later
first step ...exploration of new idea
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clarify what to learn
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create a discussion mode friendly enough to encourage further exploration
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be patient
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realise with time ...own answer..[resist temptation to tell others]
second step...new understanding
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1.LISTEN....yet check and check any new idea if right
2. ask open question and discussion pl.
3.recognise individual strength/weakness
4.ESTABLISH PRIORITY
5. SHARE EXPERIENCE..[CASE STUDY METHOD]
6 BE FLEXIBLE..LEARN TO SEE FROM BACK..AS WELL AS FROM FUTURE
.......ENCOURAGE TO 'SEE' DIFFERENTLY...BUT QUICKLY LEARN WHAT IS RELEVENT[WHAT ONLY CAN HAPPEN..SO THAT IRRELEVENT LOOSE PRIORITY]
7.REMEMBER AN WORD 'COMFORT'...LEARN AT OWN PACE
8. KEY WORD IS CONSOLIDATION...REFLECT BACK AND CLARIFY
9.NEED...GOAL AND ASPIRATION........WHAT IS TO LEARN FURTHER?
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NOTE..NEVER ALLOW POOR UNDERSTANDING...TAKE UR TIME...BUT UNDERSTAND THOROUGHLY....AS ACTION OUT OF WRONG/POOR UNDERSTANDING...SHALL BE VERY COSTLY LATER
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Third Step...action Plan
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1.examine Alternate Action And Its Consequence [risk/reward Analysis]
2.choose One Or Two Proper Action Plan...monitor Progress Of Event[price].....evaluate Outcome[later..in Cool Brain]
3. Commitment Factor....[expect Many A Time U R Wrong]
4.evaluation Of Oppurtunity....believe/faith Factor How Far Helpful In This Particular Occation
5.learning Cycle...think Of Experience.....what U Can Generalise From Experience? Apply It........experience Loop
 

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hope all those reading it , find enjoyable and thought provoking.....
but first question is why u need a mentor?.
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the answer is as mentee needs a support /trust...stress relieve mechanism
as trading is always an uncertain event....
who can be mentor?
....................
who has knowledge , experience and skill in related field............who has vast experience of facing difficulty and yet to run smoothly[what to do now].ie. calibre to face stress
HE MUST HAVE SKILL ...TO BE OPENMIND.+IVE OUTLOOK..GOOD LISTENER...to think and feel how others plan to behave..
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hence check the fitting mentor and mentee...a concept i find useful ...
'pentagonal peg and 5sided hole'....a basic job fitting criteria used by professional interview board
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Being A Mentee
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Accept Challenge ...ready To Learn Willingly And Highly Committed
...believe In Balanced Risk Approach...must Believe Learning Is A Continous Process....achieving Progress Is Always Possible With Time
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Expectation Of Mentee
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1.proper Guidance Yet Challenge To Perform
2. Enjoy Friendship And Support
3. Learn From Example
4. Learn From Mistake
5.take Wise Counsel/know To Listen
6. Self Aware
7.share Critical Knowledge
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Wrong Mentee
..................
.believe In Gossip[enjoy Loose Talk]
..expect Immidiate Soln[answer To Problem..not Capable To Handle]
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Conclusion
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A Mentee Require[need]........
1.a Critical Friend
2. A Confidant[some Sort Of Emotional Support]
3. A Source Of Knowledge
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Matching Of Mentor And Mentee...
Learning And Development....do I Need Training?
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Time Management Issue [which I Dont Write Considering Boring To Readers]
.............recording Of What I Learn
..............priority Issue...seriousness
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Tips For Learning To Trade
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1.avoid Being Judgemental.
2. Dont Expect To Get All Answer...be Clear About Expectation Vs. Bourdary[concept Of Out Of Bounds For U]
3.stand Back From Issue[over Anxiety]..and See From Back [long Term View]
4.accept Challenge To Learn
5. Always Take A +ive View ...have Faith
6. Discuss Issue Openly And Monitor Own Progress.
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market behaves as its suppose to behave. in india i find very poor knowledge on trading...particularly to teach trading in real sense...hence i try to do a school concept and later college one...as i am amateur...college course i can not guide nor write...hope some good professional soul help shall come
waiting for a reply
collectively some great heart may also contribute...hey u have to give time -effort-for a cause.
ok i am starting now.
school is of upto class 12...10 +2
...classes can be not a year in a sense,...may be 3month to someone...may be 3 yr to other
class 1,2......10,...may be some of which u already know
...only structure wise differently represented
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individual ...student who is ready to learn
teacher...trade mentor.
they r many...successful trader...learned from hard knock from market...like me and still learning...bookidea of some great trader
library...ur soft copy and hard copy
study and learning at own pace.
exam centre...market
pass and grade...money earning
performance evolution..trade journal
requirement : some other book ,reference, software, printing m/c.other dealer
most imp drawback ...time availability and hard work
plus pt/:crystal clear view
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year...does not mean a course can not be learned within a month.

class 1
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what is stock market....financial system of a country....economy,business environment of a country,moneyflow in a country
stability ..in political sense,..war ...flood/earthquake...acts of god...how behavior shown in past
class 2
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why one is trading in market?
stock trading system
f&o
...
loss aversion.
willingness to learn and test idea.....where i stand.
class3
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my plus pt.....my minus pt

how i become a trader?
what r the quality of a successful trader?
...........which i want to......how i shall myself to achieve it.....discipline and behavior modification.
class 4
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order entry system,market order..stop order..limit order
margin
money management
probability of a direction
low risk trade.
concept of leverage
stop concept
derisk model
scan concept
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class 5
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market condition,trade entry condition
style of trade,matching of trade style and money earning oppurtunity
importance of progressive stop ie. winning trade must not go to trade loss...worst case it is no profit no loss

class 6
.........
loss due to miss , so miss factor must be considered in the part of trade...ie. efficiency of execution
all bad situation and phenomena ...how to react in each of them
so confusion of deer..paralysis by shock ...is solved....so u can act now
NO MORE WHAT SHALL I DO NOW...AS U KNOW WHAT HAS TO BE DONE
class 7
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oppurtunity search..utilise oppurtunity[after grading it]...and encash as per situation availability.
1st case...low risk trade
2nd case...short term trend trade
3rd case... small amount leverage high risk break out trade
last case... random trade
....
exit system
3different case...
1.for swing trade
2. for position trade
3.random trade
...remember all 3 r different.
class8
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fundamental of a stock
why a stock shall move up
why a sector will move up
relation of a business and profit
earning potential..and growth
what starts a business fullmoon ...glowing...now slow decay
...prepare this for every stock in ur list

class9
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technical analysis....
gap strategy
reversal strategy...oscillator play plan,divergence strategy
channel trade concept
trend trade concept..ma,aroon...strength of a trend, directional biasness or continuation

class 10
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learning of software for trading
scanning system
risk reward analysis
advanced money management
which stock not to trade even after signal...and when not to trade
volatility tool analysis
volume price analysis
since u read so much now time to give exam....mind it its board exam ...check how much u can apply in real market....time 6month...money 10% increase on a fixed amount,say 2lakh..
so u pass..
all trade result to be analysed why taken and in writing...both entry and exit reason and of position size..why not more or less?
how far luck helped u in that trade
how far trend strength is utilised?
do u believe in reversal...while holding trade
after hr analysis of ur mind on actual trade
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so all trade r analized...balance after 6month suggest 10% increament in a/c..u pass
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if failed, reason of failure....and in which zone
reread entire course and amalgamation
 

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so u r in class xi....now
decide to study further in school[u may prefer to..go to earn from market....still i suggest to study further ...knowledge helps
11thyear
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system design....where i have done better than other sucessful traders?
...prediction on market
...execution skill
...implementation of system[whatever u think]
...stoploss following...both protective and sar style
...mind control
note..here system design means tuning of system for actual profitability again to score high[earn more]
class12
..........
which type of trade u r master??
alternatives r......
a. investment...contrarian call
b. investment by value approach
c.day trade
d. short term trade.....swing style momentum
e. swing style...reversal
f. position trade...support buy ...consolidation
g.position trade ..break out
...............
now only one out of this 7....to be choosen to trade/invest in life ....others r simply to be erase out[forget]...the best one..u have now,...to conquer world
......create a boundary .........
a discipline..discipline..discipline[here i fail ]
.........only on that condition following /ocurring in market...i shall trade...otherwise no...
and a trade shall be taken...if it occurs...without fault
...this is my class 12..exam..light to see otherside of world.................tuning and more return ...compare good with better trader...logically improve further..
...i try to learn from market...
 

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this is my personal view...i find useful...loose links r assemled to give some idea....
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1. MARKET...I VIEW IT WAR ARENA..RUTHLESS FIGHTER CAN ONLY SURVIVE.
MY SKILL...WEAPON...BROAD BASE KNOWLEDGE + ANALYSIS POWER
...MY WEAK PT..POOR EXECUTION SKILL & EMOTIONAL DOLDDRUM
SOLN..USE COMPUTER BASED SIGNAL
MERCYLESS STOP
WATCH MARKET BEFORE ENTRY.
2. CONDITION OF MARKET
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UP...DOWN ...VOLATILE...3DIFFERENT STRATEGIC PLAN ..THIS CASES...
4TH CASE IS UNPREDICTABLE...HERE I MUST NOT PARTICIPATE...WAIT AND WATCH
3. MONEYFLOW CONCEPT.......
FII AND MF...WHAT THEY R DOING...AFTERALL THEY R SMART MONEY
UNDERSTAND RISK INHERENT IN TRADING
GLOBAL VILLAGE CONCEPT..AND GLOBAL FUND PERSPECTIVE ABOUT INDIA
4. INDIA CONCEPT
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FINANCE MINISTRY...RBI POLICY...BUDGETARY ALLOCATION...WHERE AND WHAT GOVT...OFFICIALLY VS. ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING[NOT LIP SERVICE]
INTEREST RATE...AND ITS SIMPLE IMPLICATION..REFLECTION OF IT IN STOCK MARKET
5.QUARTERLY RESULT STUDY
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GROWTH UP ..PROFITABILITY AND VISION OF MANAGEMENT
6...SECTOR CONCEPT STUDY...VERY USEFUL..
THOSE WHO KNOW METASTOCK...CAN STUDY RELATIVE SECTOR STRENGTH..TOOL TO EARN WITH EDGE...PARTICULARLY SECTOR LAGGARD R NOT TO BE TRADED FOR SHORT TERM
.....WHILE LONG TIME INVESTMENT STYLE 9MONTH...HOLDING...THEY R WORTH TO BUY.
U SEE THE SAME SECTOR BAD FOR SHORT TERM IS GOOD FOR LONG..PROVIDED FUNDAMENTAL NOT BIG CHANGE...FOR MOMENTUM PLAYER ITS STRICT NONO
ON THE CONTRARY...SHORT TERM MOMENTUM PLAYER...USE THIS REL STRENGTH COMPARING HOW BETTER STOCK IS FAIRING RELATIVE TO NIFTY.
another imp. list i find interlink of stock...sector
i find..vehicle..auto ancilliary..bearing
construction..cement/steel price..profitability of builder company[i do this activity,and rarely i good correct...market humbles me]
tourism;hotel..current laggard
computer growth..internet..peripherial sale...computer business model
pharma''..medicine research..hope to click
commodity based stock....with commodity price move up..profitability also..so shall stock price...here again i am a fool, metastock..and viratechindia..good chart..rarely predictable.
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7. lists of good company...what i know...what they do...on what condition company profitability move up...its a key arsenal
company based risk...business risk of a company...those who dont know...use www.equitymaster.com
check company's and industry's business model
8.CONTRARIAN THOUGHT PROCESS...MORE A GUT FEEL...A SENSE...IT REQD LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO DEVELOP IT
9PSYCHOLOGICAL FACTOR ON MARKET
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MARKET HAS TRENDINESS AND ALSO UNPREDICTABILITY ELEMENT. NEWS AFFECT MARKET[UNKNOWN EVENT]........MAJORITY TRY TO GUESS WHAT MAJORITY MAY DO. I TAKE RISK OF PREDICTION BY PUTTING MONEY BUT READY TO RETREAT IF WRONG...WHICH HAPPENS MORE...AND PUT MORE MONEY WHEN RIGHT...[AND GET A GOOD KICK NOW FROM MARKET..WITH 2000SIZE OF ONGC, DIRECTIONAL BIAS..950..BREAK OUT...A GREAT BULL TRAP...A RETIRE HURT CONDITION FOR ME...MY 6TRADING PROFIT..TAKEN BY SINGLE LOSS]
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I HAVE TO WORK HARD AGAIN TO RECHECK MY PREDICTIVE MODEL....CHANCE OF BEING WRONG HAS TO BE EVALUATED
........COMPANY RESULT.....20
MACRO ECONOMY 20
MONEY FLOW 20
SECTOR BUSINESS/MONOPOLY ..20
OTHER FACTOR/RANDOM/OPERATORS GAME...20
..................TOTAL 100
CHANCE OF BEING WRONG....40%...WHAT TO DO IF WRONG...IMPLEMENTATION MUST
...............NOW THE TOUGHEST PART' I..' FACTOR...EMOTIONAL DECISION.BEFORE TAKING AN ENTRY I HAVE AN OPENION...BUT PRICE MUST CONFIRM MY OPENION THEN ONLY I SHALL BUY....EVEN AFTER BUY ...WHILE HOLDING..IF ITS NOT BEHAVING AS EXPECTED...I MUST USE [TIME STOP]...BOOK LOSS AND THROW AWAY OPENION...
THIS ESSENCE OF TRADING I FIND TOUGHEST TO IMPLEMENT...WHILE CONVERTING FROM INVESTOR TO A TRADER.
......SO I DO A LITTLE MODIFICATION...REENTRY AT LOWER PRICE[AN IMP SUPPORT LEVEL AND AGAIN TEST PRICE]
 

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