Reminiscences of a trade-learner , journey to become a PRO

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oilman5

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#91
hope it will help in journey path of a trader
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every book has some uniqueness in it....for simplicity i write 2lines.
Beyond Technical Analysis (Tushar S. Chande, PHD}...a bible to understand system
Bill Williams - Lit (New Trading Dimensions}... it gives new light on market and randomness
Book - Tom Williams Volume Spread Analysis..read it..u see..use of volume ..why?
DYNAMIC TRADER GUIDE ..understand judgement ..price time analysis
Encyclopedia of Trading Strategies ..idea what may suit u
Kuhn - Marder Intermediate-Term Momentum Trading Course ..a technique to trade
Momentum Investing By Ken Wolff ...same in depth..key theme of modern trade
OmniTrader (Systems Manual) ...background of comp.based trade with low risk
Steve Nison Japanesse Candlestick Charting Techniques ..a must
The Daytraders Bible by Richard D. Wyckofff ..how a real trader succeed in market
The Four Biggest Mistakes in Futures Trading by Jay Kaeppel Book ..teaches to keep a foot on brake always
Trading as a business ..a basic but imp concept..for all dreamer
Willam J O'Neils How to Make Money in Stocks ..why buy high,sell higher works..the useful concept of fundamental,stop,cup and handle pattern

Those who have read...NOW ....livermore and gann......can read joe ross....and way to trade'...by piper.
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let me demystify a software .....advanceget for beginner
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software helps to enter/exit a trade based on some propriety tools.
1.elliot wave.......4level entry......defining presently..wave3.......so another uplevel exist
2.oscillator...ma x trend continuation....its divergence study
3. pti.....validity of a trade.........its a probabilistic tool.
4.displaced ma.....confirmation of a direction.......actual entry
regression channel .....another confirmation
5.fib.....a gen concept......retracement/profit target pt
6.xtl....basic price pattern biasedness
mob......support/resistance tool
ellipse ..when and where.....high probability of correction completing
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trade preparation.......psychology
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its the toughest aspect of trading......not because of trade..but due to wrong understanding
....trading is not that tough ......if u have learned right step......
but next to impossible....if u r av joe.....in life ..and follow crowd mentality....particularly if u live in urban/protected trade atmosphere.
let me clarify.
remember.....dancer's story ...of telegraph trade......he is cut off......so he gets what he wants to know.........and when he comes near by......lost all his touches.....a rooky trader
.....again get out......atleast his break out style and quick loss booking and reentry has good follower........in upcoming bullmarket.
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So fact remains.......u have to independent........trial and tested method to fit u.....which must have +ive expectency
.....for day trading....i personally feel its easy......as u should trade based on software.....(then ur mood swing nomore available to damage u).....
still u think u r the genius , know better than others .....then go give patent of programming.....earn by selling it.
Best of best......use some signal.....a biased directional play.....a validity of continuation...in big volume.....and earn by accuracy.
to reach that level trader practices day in day out .....system implementation/back testing and..simple MM........definitely execution is highest
only part of psychology is ......stress within limit ......no more
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but when we move from day to shortterm.....we have a dilemma.....rationality of who can think/decide better.......computer or i.......with eod /weekly signal....news flow money flow.....derisking.....and pet indicator......we create a hotchpotch.....dream with greed....
take a trade....if right....happy , superior ego.......if wrong .....frustration[blame game]....
forgetting..result is a probabilistic event..a good trader knows this....so after trade entry,
handle trade better by watching it...getting out with small loss/run the profit one....
and a time[patience]..to resolve conflict on market...to be watched for,
..to understand this.....greed /fear/hope....must be replaced with....risk analysis and mm
if possible,see..chance of being right /wrong......here those who like us study probability/statistics......has some edge......but expectation trap......is quicksand trouble in real scenario.
......so u vs. ur knowledge vs software vs indicator trap vs news trap vs ur decision making skill............a psychological whirlpool is created.
here ta comes..helpful.....diary is a good tool.....case basis.....from past analysis study..how many times why u r right......how better u can fight on uncertain terms

Sucessful traders has 2 distinctive superiority
1]a particular time frame in which he shall play......and a definite style
2]predictive mode or reactive mode
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first thing......intraday......day.......short term.......intermediate......r known to everyone
also the style......break out.....pull back ...short at top.....bottom fishing....continuation with momentum......as already systemised.....many a trader play
.....with definite.....derisk model which suits him
so timeframe.....style....derisk......this 3......creates a set....now compatibility
.....the word successful.......clearly tells........its already done....nofurther experiment pl
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2] predictive mode vs. reactive.......
elliot or any wave count....it suggests........but price confirmation must.....otherwise...its russian roulette
in reactive case.....trader develops.......a mental state.....in which he follows....the event of market ....direction and strength[trade what u see]
....all whipsaws r not to be attended........problem is nobody knows change is normally abrupt,without a hint.
....so some theory develops to watch one higher/one lower time frame.
..still randomness is a governing factor
......only with exceptional mental stability....a person can be flexible like clay
....can react most of the time RIGHT
......for others.....a Zone has to be created......on certain conditional fulfilment ,before, accepting a trade......otherwise....REJECT THE OPPURTUNITY[considering uncertainity]
.....THIS ATTUNEMENT I CALL PSYCHOLOGY OF SUCCESSFUL TRADER
 

oilman5

Well-Known Member
#92
surrogate concept i learn from
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1]divergent concept.........explained in paolo's blue print
2]trading system .......kaufman and beyond ta
3]psychology of trading with ta.......tony plummer
4] concept of trading & life....dr van tharp
5] trading idea & implementation........kiev
6] broad market analysis......key theme in modern day trading
7] volatility Vs price prediction........random & fractal concept
8] moneyflow idea and present fundamental fad.....do read research report of houses to get idea(dont trade with them,just gain knowledge)
9] how newspaper/tv sells .........hypes biasedness for creating opinion .......to create momentum of bullish/bearish theme
10] market structure .......trend .........trend termination play.......application of mechanical stop
Being advanced learner,understand some people r ahead of others........search for oppurtunity-some pro can identify & risk analyst by nature.
......Others r gullible, simply bombard by media.....and believe to follow.they r the source of food for U....concept of marketing story..........a brahmin, a goat[ which he believes a dog due to self doubt,........ploy used by 3 thugs],an excellent teaching of panchatantra........u see in day to day life, media hype........understand how news flow create wrong illusion on market.
What is actually happen in future? understand perception of people.......read newspaper and price reflection.......u can now find sufficient oppurtunity.
Volume study is an auxiliary function.....price is supreme.normal volume increment has to be study first....relation with 10dayav.volume.
when this are positive, confirm by check from nse %delivery over last 20trading day...
....the cumulative drying of market.......professional accumulation.
hints...study a book-float analysis..Stocks can be bought by using this plan only at early stages of an intermediate upward trend .
When markets crash and then bottom out and then again start an intermediate uptrend
Buy stock futures of stocks that belong to the strongest sectors and have a high Relative strength. Limitation of this plan is that you need a deep pocket.
1.Observe the relative performance of various sectorial indices for couple
of trading sessions
2.Stocks that fall the least during correction tend to bounce back fast,
so keep an eye on those stocks and the sectors to which they belong
3.keep a watch on list of gainers everyday, that gives you a feel of the winners.

1]Inflow of money in a particular stock generally push price up
2]in balanced area[sideways market] play within range .....buy at lower pt
3]a forward price influence occur with trend
4] normally balance exist in tradezone-congest area ,however its tilt that to be studied
5]price in upper zone is bullish , study it in lower timeframe context
6] failed to brake top, suggest big fall
7]add volume thrust to see .....reversal in trend
8]considering trend .....buy/sell ....action must be at top /bottom......not in-between
9]range expansion suggest biasness
10]time-price-oppurtunity study is very useful,unlike event must be seen in context,
11]understand value.......fairprice from fundamental
12]Market activity is nonrandom,it can be deciphered with strong judgement,at top of price when nomore buyer available price shall come down....same way after market fall ,no more seller available ......price shall start to move up.
13]we search for continuation or change[reversal],its the imbalance make trend
14]last 45 min is time to trade with break out on delivery......its the long term player's buy style we shall follow.
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for volume analysis ask question?
1]what was the activity in this session
2]how does this activity fit in the context of larger move in price
note: higher volume at topmost pt,with price maintaining strength suggest actually strong hand buying so new event / development also to be checked in this context.
price vs. volume .....activity occuring where ?
top
middle
bottom
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at top its ok,at lower also ok
but if at middle ,it does not have any directional bias ,simply mean area efficient market condition.......random trade zone,profit by luck..
infact good news to upmove suggest ......be ready for show,
low volume with up price suggest buyers r nervous[normally individual stock presedence is different actually].........price fall is soon expected .
.....So take very small position and see....on individual stock basis on real time test and analysis(experimented by Livermore)
tick data higher volume play at top value suggest strong hand play plan
delivery % at day trade......(i use to short nifty by this)new mf/fii buy,

Hence higher price tick volume at closing hr, suggests strength/interest by player
....let me try to correlate with news ,....study whether break out shall fail or confirm?
so at low value ,with least interest sell diminish.so range ....high -low , imp to watch on context when and why occurs. its also variable of session 1-session2--session 3 has some relation to predict continuity and or reversal .
In an established higher time reference range balance trade occurs.
Axism of trade =test of top and bottom .now with spring action by thrust imbalance break that zone at top or at bottom ,attracting further buyer/seller and another new equilibrium attempt is made,however strong media hype can fuel addition of new buyer/seller.... distribution of capital is another theme.
Higher timeframe monthly bar...top(1)TOP SIDE HAS UP BIAS,
(3)BOTTOM ZONE ...BEARISH
pl understand in detail
I.ZONE 1-top
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I-MIDDLE ZONE
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ZONE 3
I...BOTTOM
.................................PL STUDY THE FIGURE ,HERE HIGHER TIMELY BAR,SAY MONTHLY BAR BROKEN IN 3SECT...short term players r playing here as usual with buy low sell high, in this equilibrium , however testing at or bottom r watched by long term player....to see who shall win ,bull or bear.........also watched by market master.......
...the game of short term player vs. investor as a whole ......to see equilibrium and business prospect of country.
hence closing in relation to above mentioned picture , 1---upbias
3 ---down bias
now question is in near future at market index is going to violate mid equilibrium and shift to show continuity[for india .....yes for somedays]
now we know 2things r only possible
i]directional move
ii]balanced rotation in range
it is the cash flow[fii money] govern and guide this 2.....how it shall be distributed ?
higher cash flow into the market=upward direction.thats why trade location is to be studied ,after entry in a particular price .
Understand when new buyer r ready to continue to hold mode,then only uptrend is possible .now in balanced range case, in top ....money is taking out of system causing a fall[test at top and distribution of money]
now see watch study how much actual buy/sell occur here [nseindia....% of delivery].
HOPE now i clear why shorting nifty @ 6050-6060.....for 230pt fall.
so at low value ,with least interest sell diminish.so range ....high -low , imp to watch on context when and why occurs.
 

oilman5

Well-Known Member
#93
NOW I SHALL GIVE HIDDEN TRUTH ON MARKET SUBTELITY IN THE LIGHT OF LAST POST

expectation factor/ma study as suitable smoothing is helpful[50dma certainly guide idea of intermediate term].....u have to take biasness of higher time to check tenacity.also SUSTAINABILITY of cash flow and how much cash r left out or sitting idle??
At top of range ,some times range expansion occurs ....this is key for a trendiness.
Here shortplayer throws towels...book loss gives strong up move.
Similarly at unfair low and after stop loss triggered by battered bull ;.....buy comes after some day from mature fund managers......as bigger sell no more exist .
hence i repeatTOP SIDE HAS UP BIAS, & BOTTOM ZONE ...BEARISH
.....hence both offset of unnatural high and unnatural low offer oppurtunity to observer/experienced trader

Now after little fall[distribution] so it is downside pause. here take breadth....2nd attack by bear to be expected......if they fail normally another attempt is made , fortunately if it holds ,
there is only one plausible move...UP.

For further analysis we go into micro detail ,study critical value zone and moneyflow near it. study how close affect and test and behave after creating imbalance and thus oppurtunity
day 1;open 9.15-1030
mid 1300-1330
end hr 2.40--1530

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I ZONE 1
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I ZONE 2
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I ZONE 3
CONCEPT OF RANGE BAR, compare with close yesterday
in hrly bar study use yesterday's last bar continuation idea
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Factor: with growth of media and internet , investment money comes instantly to market after news.
a mix up in various timeframe player ,hype by media, fear of individual make trading a complex process .
......hence money flow is most critical element as in upmarket,
however in balance case, equilibrium to middle value ......tendency is normal .
(our aim is to search for directional move)
news ....its impact,unexpected readiness is must for a trader.say.....a bullish report comes , market but dont rally .....sign of great danger,,,,,,sell all holding ....be ready for short
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hence visualise near term activity
study market's current condition
understand participant's vs. watcher's role .......range idea ,balanced zone
next comes can u watch price and learn and predict?
still its difficult to say ...a break out is going to be beginning of new trend......but that's the aim
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studying market always at the context of present
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what exist now? imbalance or balance
long term view and short term view
if imbalance exist ,go with the move .....in balance case -fade or watch.
now in weekly frame imbalance bias of upside must be taken as buy oppurtunity .
next question is where position should be held longer?
so normally after price escalation,..short the same trade in smaller size .....allow it to move to price restoration .....again take small position and watch
.....hence this 2 factor ..1]price and 2]participant r governing factor......when phenomena is controlled by price ....its better to buy at break pt after break out.....also sell by fade at rally.(as per rhythm of market)
remember money flow is mother of all activity .longer timeframe has more control ...to guide duration.calculate different av [ma] to continuity in intermediate term
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whether new top(near term) is holding or not, very critical part of study
strategy for balance[zone] and rule for imbalance .....r strategically as well as tactcally different.
Ability of a trader
1] see near term activity in longterm context
2] as a person [pro] aim to build up when to enter and how long to hold?
- time frame weekly is helpful

trade zone:mean pt keep balance with ma
hrly equivalent range expansion shall show trend ....market shall decide to stay there or break it[continuity]......thats the study giving clue at each hr....an excellent view put forward on nifty future.
2terms impulse[quick distribution] and reaction[development]....standard ta meanings r used- also higher time has powerful influence ,....normally impulse case move is up....then after is reaction

tradezone[development]........
1range established
2 value area rotation occuring
3 higher time is diminished by small small move in opposite direction [more in number] . repulsive by small insignificant move
now suddenly quick move starts in opposite direction
4.old support/resistance define activity with sp. limit with major idea mean reversion
................now conversion to impulsive system[quick distribution]
1. trade range expansion
2.beginning of a new higher timeframe move [bias]

touching higher ref pt[resistance ]and continue and break it to move forward
price influence is dominant
...........now with its trade zone reference and a big picture clarification with price and a breaking of critical price level , u can capitalise oppurtunity.hence see current activity,short term development,longterm impact [continuity idea]....enter the trade.
create this idea for buy/sell and taking position ,particularly understand impulsive strength.....spring coil'mechanism.we are as at trade zone ........idea of trade is different .... in low bottom test
in trade zone define first std resistance..recent top
std low support.....bottom
middle=balanced value

whether this top ,calculated from higher time frame is unfairly high?
then at top fade shall occur.....it means at high pt low volume sell ....but its coming contineously.
however in start of trend ,market is controled by active participant ie. force to join in it with strong money ,....normally create a forward drive. hence after continuation of higher top , break out continue[development of trend]..........it is searched for more money ....hence participant[stronghand ] r imp factor as they continue to hold,however ....if if its not backed by strong fund,.....holder become panicky, and start liquidating position .
hence do solid grasp of this theory[ hi i am a theoritician ....with sufficient trade experience only in indian stock market]......follow this principle to trade in cash or future[mature player only]....
first define reference pt with longer time frame
1] weekly

2] then watch near term activity(perspective of trade timeframe-daily)
3]see then how participant r behaving.....in particular price area
since the theory is long enough .......some imp hints r to be repeated.
1]what is mean value in longterm
2]past distribution phenomena 'trade zone'in higher time frame
3]cash flow plan of u and market participant
4]smaller time frame approach to study directional break
5]start of a trend vs. narrow rotation in top/bottom
6]directional trend depends on new events and market development with strong moneyflow
7]execute rapidly decisively with big picture in mind
8]new cause and hence change in perception of value
9]whether distribution [tradezone] is showing same bias in shorter timefram ie. wavelet
10]more news /activity is tandem with price behavior ....or suggesting directional play by news event
11] still keep ready for unnatural event
12]even after entry , near time judgement based on price has to be seen as well as who is active participant
13]longterm development
14]down day factor
15]test at zone[top].....how long u shall hold?........when sell come against u .....in context of today/or from higher time frame big volume seller
16]when to go for short?study critical price at new top?
17]in lower time zone what is the value ......if volume poor, so is higher mean reversal tendency.....hence fade trade plan.....
now where new buyers r uncertain?this is first criteria for short.....next media help to propaganda , seeing market at balance with slight -bias,....now sell big .....break down .
...when it try to reach equilibrium at bottom.....cut down excess ...normal profit booking ....and some short r hold....see by price with hope what near term suggest....if again down contd......just hold and book profit.
theory of short at top
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is it a major resistance?
no strong buy observed at higher pt
if it cannot trade up, logically it should now test a bottom /mean value .....in downside .
as participant r uncertain ,so they shall definitely liquidate position by following law of volatility.....with this evidence we may join in short.
....where to liquidate?if with liquidation at bottom , new selling r coming .....hold further.
.......when market slowly reach upside ....and again start coming down ....go short.
prepare playplan first.....its not easy
first clear with holding position.....exit from all long position
...............................always judge possibility vs. actual ....and concept of part vs. whole
....only after some yr case basis trade ....then only trade aggressively
IF YES , DONT PUT MONEY......OBSERVE, LET OPPURTUNITY SLIP BUT DERISK
.....so now u test idea
check imbalance & direction of price move.......to reach a value in time and rupee from imbalance to balance.
IF FAILED EXPANSION CAN GIVE FADE....OPPOSITE DIRECTION TRADE[VICIOUS MOMENTUM
NEXT COMES STRENGTH OF BUYER AND HOLDING POWER....VS MARKETING STRATEGY ADOPTED BY MEDIA.....TO LURE THE WEAK MIND IN FORMING A CROWD RUN/CHASE
.....same way at bottom imbalance occur .........if new directional trend fail ? study....
oppurtunity or risk!!!
study neutral day and volatile day
...........................day 1,day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5.......@TOP ZONE AND BOTTOM ZONE
...........R U GETTING THE SIMILARITY ......HOPE NOW USE IT STOCK SP. CASE
now we actually watch this constantly unfortunately positional holding [blocked openion of direction] CRIPPLE OUR READING[ANALYSIS CAPACITY]
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IMP OF LONGTERM TRADER, ACTIVE PARTICIPATION CREATES BULLISH BIAS . ON THE CONTRARY AGGRESSIVE SELL BY THEM CAUSE DOWNFALL
WHEN THEY R UNDECIDED , WATCHING.....market stays in sideways
.....................another imp observation ,....one first move fail[neutralise by counter selling] THEN AGAIN MOVE ...........THIS NORMALLY HELPFUL, ACTUALLY 3RD MOVE HAS MORE STATISTICAL UPBIAS .
MIND IT ALWAYS.......PERCEPTION OF VALUE ITSELF IS VARIABLE
U MUST STUDY RELATIONSHIP WITH PREVIOUS DAY/WEEK......WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?IN MARKET ,IN THIS SESSION ..TODAY....THIS HR??
STUDY BALANCED DISTRIBUTION WHICH NORMALLY HAPPENS BUT AWARE OF POTENTIAL LIQUIDATION PT
a bull is ready to liquidate for profit .......but where??
adding of new info [+ive dimention].....no risk....hence hold further for bigger profit.
but opposite direction move starts.....bull must liquidate to book money profit.
hence excess of profit[desire].....act a new dimention to an existing trade
.......VOLUME TO STUDY....BIG MEANS MORE ATTRACTIVE BUYER OR SELLER
HENCE STUDY AFTER OPENING WITH RESPECT TO YESTERDAY CLOSE .......HOW MARKET IS BEHAVING TODAY [1/2 HR]...CRUCIAL .UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A TREND IN CONTINUITY..
WHETHER IT EXISTS AND FURTHER CHANCE OF CONTINUITY , ON THE CONTRARY imbalance and move to extreme or mean reversion balancing move[no trade oppurtunity exist then]
ON THIS CONDITION ON ACTUAL MARKET CORRECT TRADE EXIST.....AND THIS IMBALANCE AND MOVE TO EXTREME FACILITATE A TRADE[ CONTINUATION TYPE BUY SYNDROME TRADE WITH TREND]

............HOWEVER ANOTHER DIFFERENT BALL GAME CHOSEN BY A FEW PRO.
LOGIC..change can happen rapidly .observe[perception change of participants]
normally its dificult to understand change of trend due to bias[ so being minority these pro r in right side of trade,unexpected event due taken care of]
study session 1 hr chart bias & gap fill..session 2 ...session 3...session 4 session 5
similarly in day 1 day 2 day 3 day4 ....day5......WHEN OPPSITE FORCE ATTACK ?
HOW IT ATTACK ........INDIVIDUALS PERCEPTION OF VALUE......MOMENTARILY WEEK HAND GO IN UNCERTAINITY MODE AND ACT FOR SELF SABOTAGE.....THROW AWAY IDEA [IF AT ALL] IN PANIC.......AND supply money to this cold blooded pro......as if natural loser[being weak disciplined person]
HOWEVER STRONG HAND ALWAYS PROVEN RIGHT DUE TO CONFIDENCE[JUST LIKE RECENT ENTRY @BSE14200......]STICK TO AND READY TO BUY , ABSORB AT FALLING PRICE CONSIDERING IT AS FURTHER BUYING OPPURTUNITY
hence perception of same event has 2fold outcome/influence.......weak hand seller and strong hand as buyer
.......as a normal person we r fearful of uncertainity , so any event which has financial implication we watch, and try to derive its influence in short term and those who can think for long term,......size and visinity.....a cluster zone can be created considering upper boundary price tag[target]....and lower zone value [entry pt]
all we know condition affects price.......so plan should be ,
1]change of price up...sell oppurtunity
2]low zone...considerably buy idea....provided new percept not so bad
........dynamics of each case stock specific is different
....hence another idea .....surprise event
unlikely event
expected event ......has to be added
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in expected event normally mean reversion towards value equilibrium occur
another 2 factor.....fundamental impact of an event and understanding time frame r imp.
normally higher time frame ,say weekly......has more bias...
however in case an unlikely event ,occurs as a shock, price and its value both move together towards a directional bias until stability
hence give priority to surprise event as it act as oppurtunity
on the contrary if u r in wrong side , book loss early if possible reverse position
......remember for expected event after announcement normally price reacts to opposite direction
THIS INSIGHT HELP TO UNDERSTAND RISK BETTER IN TRADING
buyers /sellers confidence and uncertainity r imp factor
actually buyers' dominance /sellers big volume attack....this 2 greatly influence price and so called direction into 'oppurtunity' [threat to a fool]
wild move suggests thrust, when participant transfer from hesitent to aggressive ...wide range occurs.where as openion based participation without rigid parameter and future uncertainiy cause wide fluctuation [volatility]
hence a feel for value is vital
oppurtunity=price away from actual value
normally price fluctuate above and below value
execute=how quick u can act
depends on how much clearly u can visualise with certainity
always study from long term prospective,..what chance is there from present balance to go to quickly imbalance and stabilise higher[new] balance zone
.....now ask ....will sombody buy at higher,if yes....ok..buy now.
for shorting , if u see big seller may come or not.
hence mean reversion is a good theory to apply in market
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hence u check if at present
1] current market is undervalued or not [strategy]
2]study of imbalance in buyer'side
3]continuity factor
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hence reaction to news is an imp study to understand internal strength of market
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confident trader[longterm mature buyer] vs. novice day to day [trouble lover]
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remember current perception of value r always reflected in price
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be ready for atleast 2 different event 1]unlikely.....2]expected one
play plan for both r entirely differentfor unlikely event,if u r in otherside ,damage is very costly,hence prepare for it,..as then price and value both quickly goes against u,shockingly bigger loss
hence be ready in mental level for it[worst case scenario]
experience helps to understand this price/value/event relationship and expectation of people vs. news and its reflection in price
this i call market dynamics of watchers
hence confidence and uncertainity of watchers[potential buyer/seller] gives only directional bias.with uncertainity more rotation occurs ie. distribution phase
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price distribution study
........................... study of ask vs. bid
1]10 -1030..first half hr

2]13-1330 lunch hr
volume or order flow study based on
3]15-1530[presently upto 16oo]close hr tick data[pib]
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this study of tpo...time price oppurtunity concept u have to do for u [own research]
mine shall not validate ur plan....however i suggest to distinguish to understand
up day
down day
volatile day
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first half hr ..opening initial balance with yesterday close
lunch hr...observation of biasness development
closing hr...time to take action
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most imp is long term holder[strong money] r participating or they r sensing danger...hence selling delivery [distributing] to sit on cash andor taking money out
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normally all buyers want to buy low and sell at profit[high]
so categorise buyers......short term and long term in trading percept.
long term trader search for unfairlow price with bigger view with higher holding period
shortterm player search and book profit with quick imbalance
hence when break out style is visible ,ranging is moving up with interesting higher pivot break pt, with perception of imbalance to continue.......long term player put big chunk of money near day end with high bias of continuity
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so short term day trade type player ,skillful in execution take its advantage ..with their computer generated signal [an edge to take !%profit] continuously take profit with him as per his comfort level ......he is happy , as his scanner suggest oppurtunity every now and then.....based on %up list/volume up signal /a quick pivot break up.
however for long term buyer its not that easy........he has to search continuity of directional bias , ruthlessly buy out volume at top with money power to prove break out.
hence study on eod /weekly chart of impulse[main direction] and distribution [reaction]..

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hence i repeat again ,good 1-2 day mometum players use to play to trade in the side of big money player.
some other skillful player trade ..buy and sell in small targeted zone.
however when other players,new players vs. strong money players maintain equilibrium ....
hence plan of small profit with sector rotation occur as equilibrium tradezone facilitates buy low at support and fade at weekly resistance pt.
so long term fund is out and watching as imbalance creation is aim for strong hand......with watch when they found without news some strong resistance zone is touching again and again ,they test with good money power ..can they break it? ,if yes, put it....and pull price price out of that resistance to new imbalance with a hope of continuity ,luckily greedy buyer or fearful short seller, sometimes media with news help them to fulfil target.
this balance area of around resistance line is test ground .....against new buyer by other pro seller or experiment field for short term players, however ...continuity or holding several days over this new acquired land [from bear]....severity of opponent comes down ...as a true pro they leave to win against bull in other stock where high price on top may attract short seller.
corolliary: market moves directionally unless opposite [reaction against impulse]...strong orderflow comes[attack by big sell].
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concept of whole [market] vs. part[individual stock]
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nifty component imp one r to be checked .....similarly for summation of total effect ie. play plan of nifty.
similarly for intraday........first playplan
i]range is defined ....high/low in first 10min...[for av trader 1/2 hr]
balancing of flow in it.....when and where it showing range expansion.....show direction defined
ii]so verifying continuity of imbalance in mental level
[i do it,u can use suitable software for it]
enter the trade.....as strong order flow is coming inyour direction ,while breaking predefined pivot ........
yes its the real intraday trade.
[however unless u know control of mind /experience.....hit of moment its not possible

all we know ftse market of opening .....affects around 14hr in trading......and opening bias of nasdaq in tech shares.
now beginning must be observed carefully[in fluctuation as well as orderflow]
price must be treated as supreme ............holding of price over a particular value ...in a particular duration suggest lot of things
yes its the secret of trading
hence study of imbalance and test trade r imp.
...now after new price discovery it has a typical tendency to reach new balance , old resistance bounce .....idea of test validity of new price strength
somebody puts in oldway of impulse......and distribution [reaction]....upto a particular retracement value,
however next flow is all imp .......as it gives all important continuity of imbalance.....as seen in pennant and flag pattern
in other words orderflow or new money is vital.
imp oppurtunity occurs if continuiity can be seen,......VISUALISE for higher time frame .
the delivery trade by close........drying the float uplift price normally further up
some of us in this field of trade experiment put this mean value +/- 2sigma.....a balanced zone with typical past data calculation for 'sigma' value...in this days of statistics,for them monthly once new value based on 20 trade day better.......however i warn too much math make trading less profit worthy....as its the execution and sense of survival that counts after stoping self sabotage,...holding the profitable trade sufficiently take care of u and ur family.dream big should not be motto,learn big and live in reality
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normally high value order occuring in the stable zone slowly seen....as all r ready to watch for volume play.market moves as perception of value[fundamental] changes.as all [different time ,different style players participate in market simultaneously view and analysis is not so easy[in fact very difficult time consuming process for me six year to learn and i am putting this hypothesis].......thats why an organized analytical view help.
key component r 1]interest of shortterm buyer[intraday]
2]interest from weekly chart[view from intermediate term]
3]interest of swing style [eod study followed by av]

hence organize trade from this 3 element[put 3 different power spec. to see different view
and now give weightage]..........VISUALISATION IS KEY TRADE TOOL, IT ONLY HELPS TO ACT WHEN OPPURTUNITY/THREAT COMES .........otherwise fear/greed put u wrong trade..
put u in info paralysis,courage not to act.......u can be an analyst but not a trader.
larger time player has thats why better judgement,as considering temp fall they can buy in strong bull run.
report publication and its impact change in near term value.......later when bruice die down they enter slowly if long term view is that really good.in all time frame balancing occur through movement of price from quick imbalance[impulsive] to reach next probable balanced zone. volume suggests aggressiveness of participant
study of std 1-2-3 pattern[a-b-c named by others] is always helpful to understand change in value perception
successive session continue ie. biasness of trend.uncertain buyer/seller can not hold trade
linda has suggested first this simple break up of a range bar in 3sect......higher as 1, middle equilibrium and 3 low as down bias......now close gives more mathematical judgement than foolish openion style trade,.....see at close where more activity is ,in tick chart volume by more activity suggest buy by short term moody buyer or deep pocket longterm player .....
study of time and distance move by price clears it......
time when it breaks and move up very imp.
influence of current pice[close of last] also to be seen.close shows final sentiment of that particular time frame ..balance pt of bull/bear.now come influence ........if influence of price towards back[rationality].....price goes back to mean reversion.
if confirmity of irrational by price........up and up or by gap up ......concept of greed or trend fulfils.now most market participant believe [mean of total ie. market majority] it shallmove up....really it will move up.
this is the forward move of price......confirmity.
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normally most of time market maintain balance[equilibrium].
short term break of balance shown in long term chart[weekly]...gives oppurtunity when strong money players[biased] participate in trade with a vbiew to hold.
imbalance strength can be studed by volume , price roc also imp.....also study distribution [price relationship]
majority time after new value discovery price move quickly occurs by impulsive move to reach new stable zone. a forward price driveness occurs in market, based on earlier close and feed by media.among all timeframe player higher time frame has max influence [dominance]
.......................recognisation of trend..............

to define a trend ,a ref pt has to taken..it may be yesterday close ...mean pt. or opening stabilise
another factor,.....market needs time to develop trend [continuation]..ie. market must show some move , then opposite direction force has to be neutralised, then only new direction strong trend move possible .
step 1; study in 'balance area'
so which direction imbalance is building up
step 2; now in relation to bigger picture ...how a trend may form
so fairly low..fairly high] ...which one is breaking with thrust ....govern..move in future
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however sometimes stabilisation occurs ,hence price flatly fluctuate high/low of a range...in side ways.hence a band study is critical and how many times it touches to break at top or bottom[say 3].now when at what context reversing in price with volume thrust is very imp
now if down value is not breaking , then upthrust may bring easily a move of trend .
the path of least resistance .....another concept to be put forward.similarly market if can not trade up ,anticipate a test in downside ,
hence check reverse at top.....unfair top value, reverse at bottom unfair bottom value.
.....however equilibrium in middle not to trade........and watch only
.................................................. we also watch condition that affect value .it helps in our decision making process of trading
1]imbalance in move
2]balance of rotation in money [sector rotation] as uncertainity play plan
3] about to; termination and sharp move in opposite direction
4]continuation of past main strength
..pl use this concept in actual trade.
cashflow[money flow] is based on news flow....new development causing watcher participate to join , samely if big sell occurs cash go out of system, causing downfall of market..so at low value ,with least interest sell diminish.so range ....high -low , imp to watch on context when and why occurs. its also variable of session 1-session2--session 3 has some relation to predict continuity and or reversal . in an established higher time reference range balance trade occurs.but considering oppurtunity cost this zone with small range not to be traded as least oppurtunity exist.axism of trade =test of top and bottom .now with spring action by thrust imbalance break that zone at top or at bottom ,attracting further buyer/seller and another new equilibrium attempt is made,however strong media hype can fuel addition of new buyer/seller. distribution of capital is another theme..expectation factor/ma study as suitable smoothing is helpful[50dma certainly guide idea of intermediate term].u have to take biasness of higher time to check tenacity.also durability of cash flow and how much r left out or sitting idle??
at top of range ,some times range expansion occurs .this is key for a trendiness.at what pt shortplayer throws towels...book loss gives strong up move[thrust like yesterday]
similarly at unfair low and after stop loss triggered by battered bull ;.....buy comes after some day from mature fund managers......as bigger sell no more exist .
hence i repeatTOP SIDE HAS UP BIAS, 3BOTTOM ZONE ...BEARISH
.....hence both offset of unnatural high and unnatural low offer oppurtunity to observer/experienced trader
factor: with growth of media and internet , investment money comes instantly to market after news.
a mix up in various timeframe player ,hype by media, fear of individual make trading a complex process .
......hence money flow is most critical element as in upmarket, money and index both r up
however in balance case, equilibrium to middle value ......tendency is normal .
our aim is to search for directional move
news ....its impact,unexpected readiness is must for a trader.say.....a bullish report comes , market but dont rally .....sign of great danger,,,,,,sell all holding ....be ready for short
.......................
hence visualise near term activity
study market's current condition
understand participant's vs. watcher's role .......range idea ,balanced zone
next comes can u watch price and learn and predict?
still its difficult to say ...a break out is going to be beginning of new trend......but thats the aim
.....................................so normally unless normal signal is not valid,..short the same trade in smaller size .....allow it to move to price restoration .....again take small position and watch
.....hence this 2 factor ..1[price and 2]participant r governing factor......when phenomena is controlled by price ....its better to buy at break pt after break out.....also sell by fade at rally.
memember money flow is mother of all activity .longer timeframe has more control ...to guide duration.calculate different av [ma] to continuity in intermediate term
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near term whether top is holding or not, very critical part of study
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Volume confirms liquidity and price distribution, actually used for confirmation of price strength.it may help in your decision making tree.
1]trend is going to continue??purpose is react early
ask question ...to clarify ...what market imp.participant r doing ?buying or selling..or in distribution [watching]
in trade zone ....again see as per range in middle no participation , near top.....high volume participation with good % delivery.......take risky entry
near bottom low volume participation ...again take entry....support buy.
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can we distinguish buy volume vs. sell volume?in higher range with price up,volume up phenomena is good .
in lower range , higher volume suggest sell volume.
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next question is at lower volume at down day who is buying it?....definitely long term informed buyer r buying with good idea on company /near future.remember long term buy is done at comparative lower price ......with different play plan of sleeping money.
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higher volume near top suggest interest by strong hand .....a short term aggressive play plan.
total volume tool
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creating momentum more than double volume ,compare to 10day av. is good.observe when down volume brings strong buy .....quick up move [not allowing to stay in bottom].......it suggests whenever good news flow comes , probability of strong upmove.

similarly if low price brings more activity ,price shall have to go down .....to stabilise first.decrease in volume in low price ......stock has no more interest,however bottom is near.
if low no trade @top,.....buyers seem to be not confident .......hence fall is imminent
in general volume pick up suggests more participation of public in direction of price.
advertisement of commercial when marketing.....play to lure participant is natural....
so it can be a tool for oppurtunist trader ........
more activity [normal type distribution ] @ av zone.......is balancing action......watch only.
ultimate shift to topside or bottom zone has some utility.hence expected behavior in trade zone .........buy at lower value and sell @higher value [channel play]
but who is behind to change it........to create a new trend?
hence sudden sell by pro at lower value means they expect bottom further, similarly buy by them at top.......means they have reason to be greedy[unexpected event ]

Three main criteria to pinpoint potential Stock Picks

A history of consistently strong sales and earnings growth

A reasonable price

Strong price action relative to the market

As long as the stock shows consistently strong sales and earnings growth you can continue to hold it. This ofcourse is fundamentally. However since we trade price and profit from price trend I would suggest you get out of your holdings as soon as the stock you are holding begins a decline/downtrend is prices.
stock picking is an art...an experience hand can do it.
fundamental data gives the potential of future betterment.for a different industry ballgame is different...futuristic business up has to be seen in light of profitability.
so some idea...on a sector.
hospitality and tourism ....on hotel.
theme of cram...export
banking...rate of interest...npa
............
next comes ta...its the reflection of price......what present traders r doing..
how far they r bullish?
here most traders make mistake........they presuppose to guess..[hoping accurately...forgetting its a probalistic model]
its only DIRECTION CAN BE PREDICTED. not the target...
judgement must be for continuation[trend]..or reversal[mean reversion]

initial plan must be based on low risk strategy...and what works on present market condition.
risk analysis must be done...before entry.

as price reflects all known event....we should spend money to get unknown news...which may affect price
or otherway...we must study reflection of news on price...
.........next factor...how u close a trade...and what u learnt from a trade.
its those analysis makes u a mature trader AUCTION CONCEPT IS VERY IMP FOR TRADING, NEGOTION OF BUYER AND SELLER ..A VALUE ZONE,HIGHER UNJUSTIFIED, A SELL PT,....LOWER AGAIN UNJUSTIFIED BUY PT.
PROFESSIONAL MONEY MANAGER WHO BELIEVES IN TA LOOK FROM LONGER TIME WEEK/MONTH.....START BUY THEN AS THEY HAVE MONEYPOWER.
normally we should all buy lower price ....use for buy oppurtunity and use higher price zone for profit booking oppurtunity.
in normal condition market stay at top or bottom a little .and stabilise at price equilibrium pt
IF WE LOOK FROM LONGER TIMEFRAME WE HAVE BETTER ANALYSIS TO TRADE
IMBALANCE OF PRICE.
REMEMBER- PRICE TRY TO REACH QUICKLY TO BALANCE.
NOW TIME TO REACH THERE ,before that entry...IS OPPURTUNITY
WE must study behavior of market to understand it.
define ;RANGE DEVELOPMENT
NORMAL DAY
TREND DAY.....UP AND DOWN [nothing told consider up to put sp idea]
VOLATILE DAY
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RANGE HELPS TO DEFINE DAY IN TIME
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CONCEPT OF CONTROL ; BUYER $ SELLER
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PRICE NORMALLY GREED DRIVEN IS UP
PRICE UNDER CONTROL OF FEAR...DOWN TREND
MARKET MOVES FROM IMBALANCE TO BALANCE
THROUGH PRICE EXTREME/RANGE EXPANSION OR VALUE AREA..SLOW MOVE
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LONGTERM TRADER WATCH FOR OPPURTUNITY, SEARCH FOR A PRINT[REPEATATIVE TENDENCY OF EDGE 'GIANT FOOTPRINT'
WHEN LARGE BUYERS COME PRICE MOVE UP AND WHEN BIG SELL-ORDER COMES PRICE FALL DOWN.
IN UPMOVES , RESPONSES COME FROM GREED DRIVEN OBSERVER
HENCE MARKET BEHAVIOR STUDY FURTHER BREAK UP 2SUBTLE ISSUE
1]IMBALANCED DIRECTIONAL MOVE
2]BALANCED ROTATION OF MONEY IN CYCLE /FOR SECTOR ALSO DUE TO CONSTANT CHANGE OF PARTICIPANTS PSYCHOLOGY[GREED AND FEAR]
OPINION...Longterm opinion of price reflects true value of stock
current value=todays value[all known and unknown openion hidden in price]
its imbalance we search for.....in weekly chart we see value shifting higher to see oppurtunity of longterm buy
range extension[predictive] shows biasness of close,normally in a range day,
DAYTRADER do active participation[whether earn or lose] at day top and at day bottom
now continuity of price at extension towards end of session provide biasness of watcher[better skilled trader] to put money for future oppurtunity to earn with trend[continuation]
AT CLOSE TIME HIGHER PRICE BUYING ACTIVITY SUGGEST LONG TIME STRONG HAND BUYER ACTIVE [OPPURTUNITY EXISTS TO EARN]
HENCE STUDY FOR OPPURTUNITY TO CONTINUATION OF IMBALANCE IS IMP WITH THE HELP OF 3 TOOL......PRICE,VALUE AND MARKET ACTIVITY
wide expansion is good for daytrade.....from range to wider range ...to be watched for
now narrow range suggests 'side ways market'.....
INITIATION OF TRADE
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1.WATCH[OBSERVATION]
2.RESPONSE i]extreme......STOP
ii] favourable[ continue to hold or add]
other factor....problem of hope
3.now study specific case[with past data ,if ieod very good
4. failed expansion....too much too soon
5.trend termination...........trend of opposite....if proffesional fading coming with volume
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always ask current condition , value with mean [open high low close=mean] vs close price
HOW LONG TERM PLAY TRADER R THINKING ? R THEY UNCERTAIN ??
IF YES , DONT PUT MONEY......OBSERVE, LET OPPURTUNITY SLIP BUT DERISK
.....so now u test idea
check imbalance & direction of price move.......to reach a value in time and rupee from imbalance to balance.
IF FAILED EXPANSION CAN GIVE FADE....OPPOSITE DIRECTION TRADE-VICIOUS MOMENTUM
NEXT COMES STRENGTH OF BUYER AND HOLDING POWER....VS MARKETING STRATEGY ADOPTED BY MEDIA.....TO LURE THE WEAK MIND IN FORMING A CROWD RUN/CHASE
.....same way at bottom imbalance occur .........if new directional trend fail ? study....
oppurtunity or risk!!!
study neutral day and volatile day
...........................day 1,day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5.......@TOP ZONE AND BOTTOM ZONE
...........R U GETTING THE SIMILARITY ......HOPE NOW USE IT STOCK SP. CASE
now we actually watch this constantly ...........unfortunately positional holding [blocked opinion of direction with hope] CRIPPLE OUR READING[ANALYSIS CAPACITY]
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LONGTERM TRADER'S ACTIVE PARTICIPATION CREATES BULLISH BIAS . ON THE CONTRARY AGGRESSIVE SELL BY THEM CAUSE DOWNFALL
WHEN THEY R UNDECIDED , WATCHING.....market stays in sideways
.....................another imp observation ,....one first move fail[neutralise by counter selling] THEN AGAIN MOVE ...........THIS NORMALLY HELPFUL, ACTUALLY 3RD MOVE HAS MORE STATISTICAL UPBIAS .
MIND IT ALWAYS.......PERCEPTION OF VALUE ITSELF IS VARIABLE
U MUST STUDY RELATIONSHIP WITH PREVIOUS DAY/WEEK......WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW?IN MARKET ,IN THIS SESSION ..TODAY....THIS HR??
STUDY BALANCED DISTRIBUTION WHICH NORMALLY HAPPENS BUT AWARE OF POTENTIAL LIQUIDATION PT
a bull is ready to liquidate for profit .......but where??
adding of new info [+ive dimention].....no risk(u r siting with profit)....hence hold further for bigger profit.
but opposite direction move starts.....bull must liquidate to book money profit.
hence excess of profit[desire].....act a new dimention to an existing trade
.......VOLUME TO STUDY....BIG MEANS MORE ATTRACTIVE BUYER OR SELLER
HENCE STUDY AFTER OPENING WITH RESPECT TO YESTERDAY CLOSE .......HOW MARKET IS BEHAVING TODAY [1/2 HR]...CRUCIAL .UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A TREND IN CONTINUITY..
WHETHER IT EXISTS AND FURTHER CHANCE OF CONTINUITY , ON THE CONTRARY imbalance and move to extreme or mean reversion balancing move[no trade oppurtunity exist then liquidate]
ON THIS CONDITION ON ACTUAL MARKET CORRECT TRADE EXIST.....AND THIS IMBALANCE AND MOVE TO EXTREME FACILITATE A TRADE-[ CONTINUATION TYPE BUY SYNDROME TRADE WITH TREND]

....HOWEVER ANOTHER DIFFERENT BALL GAME CHOSEN BY A FEW PRO.
LOGIC....change can happen rapidly .observe[perception change of participants]
normally its dificult to understand change of trend due to bias[ so being minority these pro r in right side of trade,unexpected event due taken care of]
study session 1 hr chart bias & gap fill..session 2 ...session 3...session 4 session 5
similarly in day 1 day 2 day 3 day4 ....day5......WHEN OPPSITE FORCE ATTACK ?
HOW IT ATTACK ........INDIVIDUALS PERCEPTION OF VALUE......MOMENTARILY WEEK HAND GO IN UNCERTAINITY MODE AND ACT FOR SELF SABOTAGE.....THROW AWAY IDEA [IF AT ALL] IN PANIC.......AND supply money to this cold blooded pro......as if natural loser[being weak disciplined person]
HOWEVER STRONG HAND ALWAYS PROVEN RIGHT DUE TO CONFIDENCE-STICK TO AND READY TO BUY , ABSORB AT FALLING PRICE CONSIDERING IT AS FURTHER BUYING OPPURTUNITY
hence perception of same event has 2fold outcome/influence.......weak hand seller and strong hand as buyer
.......as a normal person we r fearful of uncertainity , so any event which has financial implication we watch, and try to derive its influence in short term and those who can think for long term,......size and visinity.....a cluster zone can be created considering upper boundary price tag[target]....and lower zone value [entry pt]
all we know condition affects price.......so plan should be ,
1]change of price up...sell oppurtunity
2]low zone...considerably buy idea....provided new percept not so bad
........dynamics of each case stock specific is different
....hence another idea .....surprise event
unlikely event
expected event ......has to be added
.................................................. .
in expected event normally mean reversion towards value equilibrium occur
another 2 factor.....fundamental impact of an event and understanding time frame r imp.
normally higher time frame ,say weekly......has more bias...
however in case an unlikely event ,occurs as a shock, price and its value both move together towards a directional bias until stability
hence give priority to surprise event as it act as oppurtunity
on the contrary if u r in wrong side , book loss early if possible reverse position
......remember for expected event after announcement normally price reacts to opposite direction
THIS INSIGHT HELP TO UNDERSTAND RISK-MAKES U BETTER IN TRADING
buyers /sellers confidence and uncertainity r imp factor
actually buyers' dominance /sellers big volume attack....this 2 greatly influence price and so called direction into 'oppurtunity' [threat to a fool]
wild move suggests thrust, when participant transfer from hesitent to aggressive ...wide range occurs.where as openion based participation without rigid parameter and future uncertainiy cause wide fluctuation [volatility]
hence a feel for value is vital
oppurtunity=price away from actual value
normally price fluctuate above and below value
execute=how quick u can act
depends on how much clearly u can visualise with certainity
always study from long term prospective,..what chance is there from present balance to go to quickly imbalance and stabilise higher[new] balance zone
.....now ask ....will sombody buy at higher,if yes....ok..buy now.
for shorting , if u see big seller may come or not.
hence mean reversion is a good theory to apply in market
..........................
hence u check if at present
1] current market is undervalued or not [strategy]
2]study of imbalance in buyer'side
3]continuity factor
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hence reaction to news is an imp study to understand internal strength of market
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confident trader[longterm mature buyer] vs. novice day to day [trouble lover]
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remember current perception of value r always reflected in price
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be ready for atleast 2 different event 1]unlikely.....2]expected one
play plan for both r entirely different for unlikely event,if u r in otherside ,damage is very costly,hence prepare for it,..as then price against u,shockingly bigger loss
hence be ready in mental level for it[worst case scenario]
Experience helps to understand this price/value/event relationship and expectation of people vs. news and its reflection in price
this i call market dynamics of watchers
hence confidence and uncertainity of watchers[potential buyer/seller] gives only directional bias.with uncertainity more rotation occurs ie. distribution phase
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price distribution study
........................... study of ask vs. bid
1]9.15 -1015.first hr

2]13-1330 lunch hr
volume or order flow study based on
3]2.45-1530
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this study of tpo...time price oppurtunity concept u have to do for u [own research]
mine shall not validate ur plan....however i suggest to distinguish to understand
up day
down day
volatile day
.................
first half hr ..opening initial balance with yesterday close
lunch hr...observation of biasness development
closing hr...time to take action
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most imp is long term holder[strong money] r participating or they r sensing danger...hence selling delivery [distributing] to sit on cash andor taking money out
.............
normally all buyers want to buy low and sell at profit[high]
so categorise buyers......short term and long term in trading percept.
long term trader search for unfairlow price with bigger view with higher holding period
shortterm player search and book profit with quick imbalance
hence when break out style is visible ,ranging is moving up with interesting higher pivot break pt, with perception of imbalance to continue.......long term player put big chunk of money near day end with high bias of continuity
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so short term day trade type player ,skillful in execution take its advantage ..with their computer generated signal [an edge to take 1%profit] continuously take profit with him as per his comfort level ......he is happy , as his scanner suggest oppurtunity every now and then.....based on %up list/volume up signal /a quick pivot break up.
however for long term buyer its not that easy........he has to search continuity of directional bias , ruthlessly buy out volume at top with money power to prove break out.
hence study on eod /weekly chart of impulse[main direction] and distribution [reaction]..
where this phenomena is going to happen now

hence i repeat again ,good 1-2 day mometum players use to play to trade in the side of big money player.
some other skillful player trade ..buy and sell in small targeted zone.
however when other players,new players vs. strong money players maintain equilibrium ....u can take rest as NO oppurtunity exists.
hence plan of small profit with sector rotation occur as equilibrium tradezone facilitates buy low at support and fade at weekly resistance pt.
so long term fund is out and watching as imbalance creation is aim for strong hand......with watch when they found without news some strong resistance zone is touching again and again ,they test with good money power ..can they break it? ,if yes, put it....and pull price out of that resistance to new imbalance with a hope of continuity ,luckily greedy buyer or fearful short seller, sometimes media with news help them to fulfil target.
this balance area of around resistance line is test ground .....against new buyer by other pro seller or experiment field for short term players, however ...continuity or holding several days over this new acquired land [from bear]....severity of opponent comes down ...as a true pro they leave to win against bull in other stock where high price on top may attract short seller.
corolliary: market moves directionally unless opposite [reaction against impulse]...strong orderflow comes[attack by big sell].
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concept of whole [market] vs. part[individual stock]
..................

nifty component- imp one r to be checked .....similarly for summation of total effect ie. play plan of nifty.
similarly for intraday........first playplan
i]range is defined ....high/low in first 10min...[for av trader 1/2 hr]
balancing of flow in it.....when and where it showing range expansion.....show direction defined
ii]so verifying continuity of imbalance in mental level
[i do it,u can use suitable software for it]
enter the trade.....as strong order flow is coming inyour direction ,while breaking predefined pivot ........
yes its the real intraday trade.
[however unless u know control of mind /experience.....hit of moment its not possible

all we know ftse market of opening .....affects around 14hr in trading......and opening bias of nasdaq in tech shares.
now beginners must observe carefully[in fluctuation as well as orderflow]
price must be treated as supreme ............holding of price over a particular value ...in a particular duration suggest lot of things
yes its the secret of trading -hence study of imbalance and test trade r imp.
...now after new price discovery it has a typical tendency to reach new balance , old resistance bounce .....idea of test validity of new price strength
somebody puts in oldway of impulse......and distribution [reaction]....upto a particular retracement value,
however next flow is all imp .......as it gives all important continuity of imbalance.....as seen in pennant and flag pattern
in other words orderflow or new money is vital.
imp oppurtunity occurs if continuiity can be seen,......VISUALISE for higher time frame .
the delivery trade by close........drying the float uplift price normally further up
some of us in this field of trade experiment put this mean value +/- 2sigma.....a balanced zone with typical past data calculation for 'sigma' value...in this days of statistics,for them monthly once new value based on 20 trade day better.......however i warn too much math make trading less profit worthy....as its the execution and sense of survival that counts after stopping self sabotage,...holding the profitable trade sufficiently take care of u and ur family.
Dream big should not be motto,learn big and live in reality
.................
normally high value order occuring in the stable zone slowly seen....as all r ready to watch for volume play.market moves as perception of value[fundamental] changes.as all [different time ,different style players participate in market simultaneously view and analysis is not so easy[in fact very difficult time consuming process for me six year to learn and i am putting this hypothesis].......thats why an organized analytical view help.
key component r
1]interest of shortterm buyer[intraday]
2]interest from weekly chart[view from intermediate term]
3]interest of swing style [eod study followed by av]

hence organize trade from this 3 element[put 3 different power spec. to see different view and now give weightage]..........
VISUALISATION IS KEY TRADE TOOL, IT ONLY HELPS TO ACT WHEN OPPURTUNITY/THREAT COMES .........otherwise fear/greed put u wrong trade..
Never put u in info paralysis,courage not to act.......u can be an analyst,unless decisive u cannot be not a trader.
larger time player has guts + experience,thats why better judgement,as considering temp fall they can buy in strong bull run.
report publication and its impact change in near term value.......later when bruise die down they enter slowly- if long term view is that really good.
In all time frame balancing occur through movement of price from quick imbalance[impulsive] to reach next probable balanced zone. volume suggests aggressiveness of participant .study of std 1-2-3 pattern[a-b-c named by others] is always helpful to understand change in value perception
successive session continue ie. biasness of trend...also uncertain buyer/seller can not hold trade.
Linda has suggested first this simple break up of a range bar in 3sect......higher as 1, middle equilibrium and 3 low as down bias......now close gives more mathematical judgement than foolish opinion style trade,.....see at close where more activity is ,in tick chart volume by more activity suggest buy by short term moody buyer or deep pocket longterm player .....
study of time and distance move by price clears it......
time when it breaks and move up very imp.
influence of current pice[close of last] also to be seen.close shows final sentiment of that particular time frame ..balance pt of bull/bear.now come influence ........if influence of price towards back[rationality].....price goes back to mean reversion.
if confirmity of irrational by price........up and up or by gap up ......concept of greed or trend fulfils.now most market participant believe [mean of total ie. market majority] it shall move up....really it will move up.
this is the forward move of price......confirmity.
........................
normally most of time market maintain balance[equilibrium].
short term break of balance shown in long term chart[weekly]...gives oppurtunity when strong money players[biased] participate in trade with a vbiew to hold.
imbalance strength can be studed by volume , price roc also imp.....also study distribution [price relationship]
majority time after new value discovery price move quickly occurs by impulsive move to reach new stable zone. a forward price driveness occurs in market, based on earlier close and feed by media.among all timeframe player higher time frame has max influence [dominance]
.......................recognisation of trend...

to define a trend ,a ref pt has to taken..it may be yesterday close ...mean pt. or opening stabilise
another factor,.....market needs time to develop trend [continuation]..ie. market must show some move , then opposite direction force has to be neutralised, then only new direction strong trend move possible .
step 1; study in 'balance area'
so which direction imbalance is building up
step 2; now in relation to bigger picture ...how a trend may form
so fairly low..fairly high] ...which one is breaking with thrust ....govern..move in future
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however sometimes stabilisation occurs ,hence price flatly fluctuate high/low of a range...in side ways.hence a band study is critical and how many times it touches to break at top or bottom[say 3].now when at what context reversing in price with volume thrust is very imp
now if down value is not breaking , then upthrust may bring easily a move of trend .
the path of least resistance .....another concept to be put forward.similarly market if can not trade up ,anticipate a test in downside ,
hence check reverse at top.....unfair top value, reverse at bottom unfair bottom value.
.....however equilibrium in middle not to trade........and watch only
.................................................. we also watch condition that affect value .it helps in our decision making process of trading
1]imbalance in move
2]balance of rotation in money [sector rotation] as uncertainity play plan
3] about to; termination and sharp move in opposite direction
4]continuation of past main strength
..pl use this concept in actual trade.
cashflow[money flow] is based on news flow....new development causing watcher participate to join , samely if big sell occurs cash go out of system, causing downfall of market..so at low value ,with least interest sell diminish.so range ....high -low , imp to watch on context when and why occurs. its also variable of session 1-session2--session 3 has some relation to predict continuity and or reversal . in an established higher time reference range balance trade occurs.but considering oppurtunity cost this zone with small range not to be traded as least oppurtunity exist.axism of trade =test of top and bottom .now with spring action by thrust imbalance break that zone at top or at bottom ,attracting further buyer/seller and another new equilibrium attempt is made,however strong media hype can fuel addition of new buyer/seller. distribution of capital is another theme..expectation factor/ma study as suitable smoothing is helpful[50dma certainly guide idea of intermediate term].u have to take biasness of higher time to check tenacity.also durability of cash flow and how much r left out or sitting idle??
at top of range ,some times range expansion occurs .this is key for a trendiness.at what pt shortplayer throws towels...book loss gives strong up move[thrust like yesterday]
similarly at unfair low and after stop loss triggered by battered bull ;.....buy comes after some day from mature fund managers......as bigger sell no more exist .
hence i repeat-TOP SIDE HAS UP BIAS, 3BOTTOM ZONE ...BEARISH
.....hence both offset of unnatural high and unnatural low offer oppurtunity to observer/experienced trader
factor: with growth of media and internet , investment money comes instantly to market after news.
a mix up in various timeframe player ,hype by media, fear of individual make trading a complex process .
..hence money flow is most critical element as in upmarket, money and index both r up
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hence visualise near term activity
study market's current condition
understand participant's vs. watcher's role .......range idea ,balanced zone
next comes can u watch price and learn and predict?
still its difficult to say ...a break out is going to be beginning of new trend......but thats the aim
.....................................so normally unless normal signal is not valid,..short the same trade in smaller size .....allow it to move to price restoration .....again take small position and watch
.....hence this 2 factor ..1[price and 2]participant r governing factor......when phenomena is controlled by price ....its better to buy at break pt after break out.....also sell by fade at rally.
memember money flow is mother of all activity .longer timeframe has more control ...to guide duration.calculate different av [ma] to continuity in intermediate term

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NOW I SHALL GIVE HIDDEN TRUTH ON MARKET SUBTELITY IN THE LIGHT OF LAST POST

expectation factor/ma study as suitable smoothing is helpful[50dma certainly guide idea of intermediate term].....u have to take biasness of higher time to check tenacity.also SUSTAINABILITY of cash flow and how much cash r left out or sitting idle??
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.....hence this 2 factor ..1[price and 2]participant r governing factor......when phenomena is controlled by price ....its better to buy at break pt after break out.....also sell by fade at rally.
memember money flow is mother of all activity .longer timeframe has more control ...to guide duration.calculate different av [ma] to continuity in intermediate term

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Hello Oilman5,

Wow, you have a very good understanding of various concepts. Congratulations. :thanx:

Whew, I am totally lost ( :fatigue: ) by the time I reached the middle of your above post. But then it is not your problem, the problem lies with me.

For me, I cannot concentrate on more than two items for cooking at one time, how am I going to learn all these factors and keep them in mind during trading.

You have shattered my dream of making it big in the trading world...;)

Seriously, with so many intelligent people out there, I do not stand a change of making any money...... :confused:, :annoyed:, :(, :down:, :sos:

:!

Is there any way to make trading less of a headache and more of a joyful activity (this ofcourse is on a lighter note...)

Thanks again.

Best Regards,
Ramona
 

oilman5

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#95
Hello Oilman5,

Wow, you have a very good understanding of various concepts.

Seriously, with so many intelligent people out there, I do not stand a change of making any money...... :confused:, :annoyed:, :(, :down:, :sos:

:!

Is there any way to make trading less of a headache and more of a joyful activity (this ofcourse is on a lighter note...)

Thanks again.

Best Regards,
Ramona
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Many a person knows...........but don't share.Worst thing- snakeoil vendor.PL ever a man try to ask money to teach- just ask his a/c or tax statement- dudh ka dudh, pani ka pani...........
2things r for u, I if u believe in short,..........should done on 16.8.13 -1500hr.
If believe in long around -5240, definitely buy .Presently in imp counter buy by MF already started, they may hold atleast yr,if not more.
Just see the price in real time, u know what I am talking..........yes it takes about 10000hr screen watch(no short cut)
regards
 

oilman5

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SUPERIORITY of advance learner;

nightly preparation and scanlist

WHAT IF scenario preparation ......and past trade analysis .......yes thats all.
morethan this is not useful
 

oilman5

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atleast 300 trade experience with first hand writing of detail of trade.....so in core of heart, he knows what works for me , has sustainability.....as he is trading for 6yr.
BASICALLY HE IS SKILLED NOW. A CHART WITHIN I MIN STUDY , CAN BE TOLD WHETHER OPPURUNITY EXISTS.IT is as same as any field of competition u want to be topper.
so all things are in speed mode.
 

oilman5

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ALSO sharpening ur skill , if u r a programmer , practice more programme for further objectivity.......for execution ........bigger size position.
also future long term skill to learn.......holding winner, add if possible.
Development of a portfolio- a list of stock.
condition to trade,.......
how quickly u understand danger..........and get out quickly from bad trade .
He must say to himself ,daily before trade as ritual
i see , but before entry i confirm by price.
i do consistently...........i am doing in last so many year.

BAND/range/zone is an useful concept,also TREND/continuation. Next comes momentum thrust/break out........naturally if excess, reversal is expected.
Normally small price variation is random , quickly changing it with unpredictable nature we use the word "volatility'
this 4 [band/trend/momentum thrust/reversal] + 2 [random move/volatile]......are six things only ,we deal,through chart.......we try to predict on right side. for .
...... these r guarded secret........but for first 4,.......time for happening ,duration can be done by an experienced market participant.
 

oilman5

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SOFTWARE study
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Basically........people dont know how to use software.........they see price volume data,indicator etc........,so out of 40lakh indians who use them only........4000 trader shall be winner.
basic thing .....2 approach......comparative and absolute.
in absolute u see a stock ,its state & behavior.......in respect to range/trend/break out/reversal.......suitable leading indicator may be used .
Past behavior.......leftside analysis........helps to develop what may happen.
Next is comparative.......so how nifty behaving with other global index/
then which sector of bse showing better strength.........preferably weekly trend .
then only outperformer of that sector.............here METASTOCK helps me ,as this comparative analysis can be done easily .

for individual, OMNITRADER is helpful as it has strong TA based pattern/tool searcher.
DynamicTrend software does some complex analysis.....price/time reversal phenomena study.......with higher probability of happening , by comparing past.

for understanding trend aroon is very useful
for understanding range -atr + price band is useful
for understanding thrust......volume accln/momentum very good.
for understanding reversal .......excessive move + reversal candle like engulfing is sufficient.
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for random playstyle.......weekly pivot
for volatility play.........volatility comparison tool ...historical volatility with present volatility,volatility contraction band theory is useful.
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this is the right way to use ,[+ive expectency= no of right trade x profit per trade - no of losing trade x lose per trade]
another imp thing is to backtest on indicator based signal............its better in any particular timeframe with around 70 % accuracy level..........so find that holygrail.

The consequence of having a trading system , is that it enables you to have a very black and white, non-emotional approach to trading.
With this serious trading plan we have a series of check list.
By having a series of questions within your trading plan, you are looking at each
individual component of the trade in an objective way. You arrive at either a yes
or no answer. you’re then able to read .........., there is a highly probable directional trade exists or not.
After the trade set up, what your specific entry triggers may be to
get into the trade(normally a smaller timeframe confirmation), ............
When all those ducks line up u shoot……….thats you’ve got a trade.EXECUTE.
Whereas if you’re thinking emotionally and a stock is really running hard – and
you think you should get in now before it’s too late – . As a consequence, you’re going to have much more random results in the overall performance of your portfolio.

Instead you should be working towards having consistent results day in and day out by
having a mechanical, very robust approach to picking your stocks irrespective of
your frame of mind. The check list system works regardless of how you are feeling. It will force you to get the facts out on the table and study them as objectively as possible
 

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STOPLOSS
STOPLOSS must be integral part of trading,rather one must calculate the StopLoss point before making the Entry.(SET= first stop, then ENTRY,last Target-this way successful trader things not vice versa)

For intraday, Stoploss should be determined by backtesting your entries and then analyzing the distribution of the intra-trade losses i.e. the time that it takes for an entry to turn into a profit,

For small shortterm trade,generic stop losses, ATR plus the high-low is a common method.
Stops do not protect your capital as you might think. They are kind of like walking on ice wearing dress shoes; you can navigate around the ice most of the time, however, you will eventually hit .You do not know when or where it will happen, just that it will happen.
Let market activity tell you when you are wrong, and put the responsibility of exiting squarely on your shoulders after you hit - it will keep big losses out.

PARABOLIC SAR method is good in trending phase
However,You would be chopped badly , if u keep reversing the trades

By chopping the big potential loss ,within Defined risk parameter, u have the MONEY to put on RIGHT trade as Probability of recovery declines by holding losing trade,diminishing our mental strength to trade.

Let us understand 2 group of traders-
(1)those who believe that future price can be predicted by the past and use TA tool like

a)Support / Resistance
b)Pattern
c)Elliot Wave etc.
In a broad simple terms ,who believe Mkt can be forecasted by analysizing past actually believe MARKET IS STRUCTURED.So imp is understanding the trend and the direction of wave where it shall move.
For this group- simple rule for stop loss,that if u going against the trend(counter trend technique) then u need TIGHT stop loss.

(2) others are those who believe that change in price is entirely random.
a)Statistical Analysis
b)Efficient Mkt./Random Walk Theory.Etc.

These two groups tend to position themselves at polar extremes.

Practitioners on market know that price activity is neither entirely structured nor pure random. It is sometimes more efficient and sometimes less efficient

Yes, if stop size is based on account equity risk then hit rate is high. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
My practice is that rather than being right, allow the market to tell. Hence seldom I can put full size at one entry price and again one exit price to clear full size.

And probably thats why i need to 'manage' a trade.
Stop has to be Definitive,keeping in mind BOTH the approach.
many a times Price action may become favourable initially but later within 1-2 bar make me a Fool.Alternatively when we think that from a particular Price point if broken the move may Reverse but within a bar or 2 i may be fooled again.
Analyzing where to place stop-losses depends on the characteristics of the trading strategy. If a strategy is discretionary, then stop-losses should be discretionary as well, but portfolio level draw-downs and stop-loss (max equity risked) must be fixed and well defined.
If entry and exit criteria are discretionary, using mechanical stop-loss will not make the results predictable (it can profitable).

My approach for a non-discretionary strategy is to first back-test the strategy without stop-losses. This provides me with the natural characteristics of the strategy(profitable or not)Next (sample screens), I take a look at the MAE (Maximum Adverse Excursion) tables. If the MAE distribution is not bell-curve, there will be very little value addition trying to optimize stops. If there is a high distribution towards the extreme, it is virtually useless to identify good stop-loss levels - which could rather be traded in opposite direction of the signals with a better chance of success.

This shows the distribution of potential profits and possible worst-case losses. Looking at this, create/behavior modification to book profit at predefined level without getting stopped out at MAE levels. A greater concentration of trades in the center to upper-right area is desired i.e. greater reward/risk ratio.
Based on this data, have an MAE of less than 2%. This means, if I place a stop at 2%, the W/L ratio is 55%, and my winning trades have to make 1.65% to break even. This makes the system at break-even , But, the system may experience draw-downs from time to time, and a sequence of few losing trades in a row may erode my confidence. Lastly since this is not walk-forward tested. So, 2% stop-loss may not be optimal when trading in the future.
A signficant mistake that traders of mechanical systems make is too much reliance on back-testing and lack of walk-forward testing.
Based on my analysis, if I come to a conclusion that 2% stop is ideal, I would be fooling myself. The right approach would be to divide the trading data into at least 4 subsets, re-analyze and perform walk-forward testing and see whether the system survives, succeeds or blows-up.

Using specific methods like SAR, ATR, Fixed % of entry etc are irrelevant - their utility varies from markets to markets, time-horizon etc. Eventually whatever methods you use, their effectiveness will be reflected in the diagnosis (bell-curve distribution) and the result.

If a trading sytem has fundamental flaws, no amount of optimization of stop-losses will help you. Last but not the least, all trading systems have a shelf-life. If a trading system has approached its expiration date (or has expired), however hard you try to identify optimal stops, it will be a worthless effort.

Yes, the mistake trader make is by not studying the market data itself before beginning the system design process.
How about i make a Random Entry then what would be my Stop ?As you are well aware than many of us here ,that Models Of Mkt are generally measured and perceived by Percent change Method.
Here the QAnalyst starts with these broad assumptions:=
a) Change in price follows a probability distribution.
b)Each day’s change (Xi) is independent and identically distributed.

Can there be a better 3rd Way ? what i am trying to say - first and most imp is to identify a trend .
how the trend can be identified; every one has its own method to find the trend
i]trend line
ii]mov averages etc.
Many indicators can be used to identify the trend no matter small/ Minor/ inter/ major!!
once u identify the trend up / down and u place according to that and if Ur identification is right u will only hit stop profit(utilise parabolic SAR)
then stop loss is just to safeguard abnormals. conditions of market(also to protect flaw in your market analysis )

now the stop, it varies lot depending upon trend in intra/ minor/ inter/ major.

in 5 min trading set up obviously we will not carry position unless we are comfortable in 60 min and the scenario outside our markets

This is only a scratch example, how my stops are spontaneous with the markets and not determind by % or othe mathematical formula. -Applies for all TimeFrame.
Subject of minimizing risk itself is very debatable subject, Alen Greenspan in his speech in front of the senate confessed that ' believed risk models which often the brain child of Nobel laurels fail to mitigate the housing credit crisis, in other words we can say that big banks of america, great mathematician, financial analyst all together wont able to figure out appropriate stop loss.
Alas the Belief mechanism in human mind always needs Assurance & Confirmation Choose a good Methodology today,tomorrow some other New better way comes you may follow that depending upon U ,syncronizing factor.
No methodology can be the one & only in this planet,this we all know ,we always evolve with better useful methods.
Managing risk is most challenging subject and trading methodolgy has changed my stop system from post trade S/L to pre-defined loss.
Stops are a inherent part of trading system, and I''l be rather surprised If two traders are using them exactly in the same way.
Being a pure day trader. I do like stops which market generates itself. When i get a reversal signal, I enter the trade. Stop could be either ATR based or a fixed % based. But the main thing is, Tape reading and market generated info is my actual stops. If trade is not going in to favor. May be i might exit the trade before it hits the stop level.
So my vote goes to Tape flow and Market Generated info. I'm not much advance user in using mechanical stops.

If 'balance' & 'imbalance' can be considered synonymous with 'efficient' & 'inefficient' market- the extremities of imbalance as well as the more balanced consolidation zones should help us 2 different technique for Stop.

There still has to be room for volatility though. This can be done with the usual ATR or StdDev.
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Personally in swing ,I'm currently using customized version of supply/demand line +- ATR and buying/selling level+-ATR,

EDIT- supply/demand +-ATR lines for initiative trades and buying/selling levels +-ATR for responsive trades .
If y dont have good entry system, Good stoploss mechanism at best will help loose slowly.
A pragmatic stop-loss mechanism tends to smoothen the equity curve and reduce huge swings in the equity curve.
Volatility is a good thing in the markets, but a bad thing in equity capital. If your equity capital moves in band of +/- 10% each week, only one big mistake is enough to shatter your confidence.

A good stop-loss strategy comprises of a combination of initial stop-loss, break-even stop-loss and trailing stop-loss.

When a equity curve is volatile - it is because there are :
big draw-downs from profits.

By big, I imply a wider channel in which the equity curve exhibits itself, and also greater than normal occurrences of trades with large profits and large draw-downs.
........ when you have huge draw-downs from profitable positions - the stop-loss mechanism does not seem to be effective. The reason could be that the initial stop-loss was wrong, or the trailing stop-loss was not employed - whatever it is.

Consider two hedge fund managers approach you and ask you to invest in their funds that trade in the same instruments. Their equity performances for 3 months (just example is) :
a) Fund A : +10% (Jan), -12% (Feb), +9% (Mar)
b) Fund B : +4% (Jan), -3% (Feb), +4% (Feb).

Which one would you invest in ? Fund A has a slightly higher performance than Fund B, but Fund B has a smoother equity curve.
On the surface, it is very likely that Fund B uses lesser leverage, and more conservative risk-management (stop-loss) and position sizing. So, if you invested in April, and April was a losing month Fund A (-9%) and Fund B(-4%), it is very likely to weaken your confidence in Fund A although it might be a better performance.
Market presents us with good luck and bad luck.Eventually, goodluck and badluck cancel out each other and what remains is the trader's skill and a sound trading strategy.
It is humanely impossible to capitalize each good luck opportunity that the market offers us - we tend to exit an unexpectedly lucky profitable position too early .

In times of bad luck, the market punishes us miserably(because of holding).

So, to maintain the balance, a good stop-loss strategy alleviates our misery in times of bad luck and compensates those vast good luck opportunities that we naturally miss.
The Stop will not be same ,it will depend on the Type of Approach/Methodology we are using to trade the Market at that point of time.
A Stop for a Break Out is different as for playing Trend some Head room is required and it takes time to build up trend, but for playing Reversal it is entirely different.
It is true that i would get out When Mkt tells me that i am wrong but here the point
No1 : i MUST decide my Risk PRIOR to putting my trade
No 2: Even when my trade goes in loss to mildly deep loss i may still SEE certain useless info in Data/Chart like say Divergence and clutch dearly my loss trade to become profitable in Future.Here my brain would be biased & even when Market tells me i would simply not SEE it or able to decipher it (fool)
Hence better to decide before i enter, & pt to Re-enter later incase first time failure.
I should give more brokerage (entry/exit )but do not we give higher loss , let us take that extra brokerage as my premium towards Risk.
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some Question on Stop-loss ?

what is the basis ?

% based ?

Volatily based ?

MA based ?


What is the account size ?If the a/c size is small what basis suits ?

If stop is ma/volitily or % basis, what is the entry level ? It suits to a/c size/my risk capability .
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Think the trading system must be like this, that stop applied should be of least point and least probability of getting it hit. THe main motive of stoploss should be to protect from sudden volatility. Rest of the time it shouldnt be hit. We should prepare our entry and placing of stoploss according to the market volatility.
Like these days market volatility of nifty is very much high. Placing a stoploss of less points is dangerous as it is hit without fail.


Monetary Stop: - This is the least effective method and used by most. This involves choosing an amount of money, points or percentage of account value to determine a stop loss level. The problem is that stop losses should be based on technical indications not a monetary value. These are the type of stops that get stopped out most frequently and are based on emotions rather than technical analysis.

Bar Stop: - This is a form of trailing stop. E.g. as a stock moves in the intended direction, the stop will trail with it. The strategy involves placing your stop 10 points below the low of the two most recently closed candles. Remember the candles must be closed, do not use open candles. As the next candle closes move your stop loss accordingly. For example if you were long then determine the low of the two most recent candles. If the stock moves up reallocate the stop loss 10 points below the low of the previous two candles. As the stock increases, move the stop accordingly but NEVER lower the stop. If he stock moves down leave the stop where it is. If you were short you place your stop 10 points above the high of the two bar candle.

Candle Stop: - If you are entering a trade on a candlestick signal then you can use the open, high, low, close to determine your entry point and stop. If you are entering a long position after a hammer and confirmation, place your stop loss 5 points below the low of the hammer. Ask yourself at what level is my original analogy wrong. If it comes below the low of the hammer it is probably not a reversal and a good place to stop out.

Support and Resistance Stop: - As Market Makers are aware that people place stop losses just below and above support and resistance, you need to be one step ahead of the game when using this strategy. To prevent Market Maker manipulation adopt the following strategy when placing stop losses at support and resistance levels. Measure the range between the support and resistance. Place your stop loss 10% of the range either beneath support if long, or above resistance if short. If there is too much risk then reject the trade.

Parabolic SAR Method: - Parabolic SAR is not just an indicator; it is a complete trading system. It is an ‘always in’ system, meaning if you follow the method you are always long or short. It works best in trending markets. SAR stands for Stop And Reverse. When putting SAR into charting software, it gives you a stop loss level represented by a dot on the chart. As each candle closes, the stop is moved closer to the price. When the stop is hit, the trader reverses direction. When using SAR, remember you do not want to use SAR unless there is a good trend.
 
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