Market Operators - Do they exist ? Who actually runs the show?

Do they exist in your price/volume observation experience and do they manipulate?


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#92
well said....we ruin ourself with wrong decision....we are in market our own decision matters
It is true, from my expereince I noticed we get defeated by our nature. If a person can control his emotions while trading, he can dig the Gold out of dirt. But we are Human and to control our emotions a strong will power to succeed is essential apart from strong understaing of technicals and its interpretations
 
#95
I wanted know from members how much money they make in a month by trading in options say by investing Rs.10,000/=
Rs 1000/- Seems lesser amount. U can have 25000 in your account, trade with 15000 keep 10000 for backup purpose. if u trade in this way u can earn minimum of 10% and max of 30-40% per day. Play only on in the money or at the money calls/puts to make your trade profitable.:thumb: Happy Tradeing :clapping:
 
#96
Rs 1000/- Seems lesser amount. U can have 25000 in your account, trade with 15000 keep 10000 for backup purpose. if u trade in this way u can earn minimum of 10% and max of 30-40% per day. Play only on in the money or at the money calls/puts to make your trade profitable.:thumb: Happy Tradeing :clapping:
What about loss. You will lose 10 to 90 % in a single day if market moves against you sharply :lol:
 
#98
From the article..THE DEADLY ART OF STOCK MANIPULATION

RULE NUMBER ONE:
ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN --ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE PRICE.

RULE NUMBER TWO:
IF THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE (DUMP)HIS SHARES, HE WILL START A GOOD NEWS PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN.

RULE NUMBER THREE:
AS SOON AS THE MARKET MANIPULATOR HAS COMPLETED HIS DISTRIBUTION (DUMPING) OF SHARES, HE WILL START A BAD NEWS OR NO NEWS CAMPAIGN.

RULE NUMBER FOUR:
ANY STOCK THAT TRADES HUGE VOLUME AT HIGHER PRICES SIGNALS THE DISTRIBUTION PHASE.

RULE NUMBER FIVE:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET YOU TO BUY AT THE HIGHEST, AND SELL AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE.


RULE NUMBER SIX:
IF THIS IS A REAL DEAL, THEN YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO BE NOTIFIED OR WILL BE DRIVEN OUT AT THE LOWER PRICES.

RULE NUMBER SEVEN:
CONVERSELY, YOU WILL OFTEN BE THE LAST TO KNOW WHEN THIS DEAL SHOWS SIGNS OF FAILURE.

RULE NUMBER EIGHT:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL COMPEL YOU INTO THE STOCK SO THAT YOU DRIVE UP ITS PRICE SHARES.

RULE NUMBER NINE:
THE MARKET MANIPULATOR IS WELL AWARE OF THE MOTIONS YOU ARE EXPERIENCING DURING A RUN UP AND A COLLAPSE AND WILL PLAY YOUR EMOTIONS LIKE A PIANO.

FINAL RULE:
A NEW BATCH OF SUCKERS ARE BORN WITH EVERY NEW PLAY.
Woh. What a useful post:clapping:
 
#99
http://tradeorinvest.com/stock-market-operators-manipulation/

Stock Market Operators: Do they exist? How do they manipulate?

I believe that most of us have heard of stock market operators. They are known by many different names and they are constantly the blame for our financial losses. In some parts of the world, they are known as sharks, syndicates, big bosses, speculators, liars, cheaters or stock market manipulators. Some of us cheer their existence and their operations while some cursed them as if they are the culprits to our financial ruins. Are they our friends or foes? As the famous saying goes, know thy foes and you will have the upper hand in battle. In this post, I will challenge and dare you to swim with the sharks and eat from the crumbs of their feeds and not to be their feed. Here I would like to bring out some of my personal thoughts on this question that most newbie has.

re is the short answer. Yes, you are right. They existed and their operations are hidden from most people especially the newbie in these financial markets. I believe if we know them and how they operate, we could actually move along with them. In fact, the whole purpose of technical analysis is to determine the balance of demand and supply and the stock market operators are some of the powerful and rich individuals or groups with much buying and selling power. If we are able to track their movement, we will be able to profit from their operations. However, if we are ignorant of their existence, we could be their next meal.

Basic facts of stock market operators are listed below for your reference.

  • They work individually or in a group.
  • They rely on the market trends to help them in their mission.
  • The general publics are their big customers.
  • They together work with the public listed company owners or insiders.
  • They have a main mission objective to accomplish.
  • The bulk of their operation revolved around the accumulation and the distribution of stocks from / to the general publics.
  • They are rich and powerful figures but they are also humans that have emotions like all of us.
  • They have extensive credit facilities and lower transaction costs than the retail investors.
  • They do make mistakes like any one of us. Their mistake costs millions in dollars.
  • Market news, stock market analyst, corporate announcements, word of mouth advertising, price bidding and order queues are some of their tricks and tools that they used to achieve their main objective.
  • They dont try to pick the bottom or the top like most retail investors do. Again, some of them try to do this and it costs them much sorrow and dismay.
  • They do attempt to manipulate the chart to trick the chartist whether you like it or not.
  • They are both the buyer and seller in the queue order at any given time.
  • They are not doing charity work. They existed to make your money.

It is important to understand them well as they are big volume buyers and sellers. They can tilt the balance of demand and supply. Understanding the above traits of stock market operators will help to clear some of the myths that we have of them. Remember, they are humans like us. Some of the above points deserved to be elaborated further to bring out the secrets of trading methodologies that we will employ in our technical analysis.

Primary market trends are very important to their success and failures. If they judge wrongly on this, they could go bust easily as the power of leveraging will work against them. Remember this, they cannot fight against the trends and they dont have the strength to do so. Dont ever think that they can swim against the tides.

If their mission objective is to acquire stocks, they might push down the prices to cause temporary market panics to squeeze out the stocks out from the speculators and investors and this is especially true in certain countries where short-selling is not allowed. The success of this technique will depends on what sort of people that are holding the stocks. This will get rid of the intraday and short term traders. However, they will try to maintain the prices around a certain range as to keep the sellers motivated. Usually the public listed company owners and insider will work in tandem to collect the shares from the general public. After they exhausted the fearful speculators and investors, they will then turn their eyes to the stronger speculators and investors by pushing up the prices higher to catch their interests.

If their mission is to distribute stocks, they will push up the stock prices to catch the attention of speculators and investors. They will work with market analyst to create beautiful pictures of the company prospects. They will work with the public listed company owners and insiders to create scarcity of stocks. At this moment of time, they will also announce all the good news while pushing up the stock prices. They will queue up as buyers and sellers in the order queue. They will buy their own stocks to create volume to entice the crowd to follow. As they bid up and down the prices, stocks were distributed without the awareness of the general public.

I believe that this write-up will increase our trading knowledge and make us a wiser trader. I will continue to write of how we can profit from their operation in future posts whenever I managed to get my time organized.
I have not finished. I will read it later:clapping:
 
Another one...

http://openlib.org/home/ila/MEDIA/2005/equitymkt_faq.html

Recent fluctuations in the stock market raised many questions about the determination of stock prices, speculation and market manipulation. Unsubstantiated media reports generated hysteria and images of the BSE Sensex being manipulated. The reality is different. While there may be problems with manipulation of small stocks, it is nearly impossible to manipulate the market index.

q: How is a stock price determined?

a: When you own one share of a company, you are part owner of the company. As owner, you get a share of the profits that are paid out, which is the "dividend" earned by the share. The price of a share reflects the value of all future dividends that the company is expected to give.

q: Why do stock prices go up and down?

a: Changing expectations about the future dividends lead to changed prices.

As an example, suppose there is a company in the oil extraction business. As of yesterday, it's share price would reflect the dividends that it was expected to produce as of yesterday. Now suppose that today an announcement is made that the company has made a big discovery of crude oil. This new information positively changes the outlook for future dividends. Hence, the share price will go up.

Similarly, on 17 May 2004, the outlook for all Indian companies as a whole became much more gloomy when the stock market saw that the UPA was going to be unable to push economic reforms. Share prices fell in response.

Every day, new information unfolds, and share prices move in response to that information. Sometimes people say there is a "law of gravity" that when share prices go up, they have to go down. Numerous people glibly talked about a "long overdue correction". There is no law which says that good news has to be followed by bad news or vice versa. In fact, over the long decades, stock prices have risen dramatically - the BSE Sensex was at just 120 in April 1979. There is no law which says that it has to go back to 120.

q: How does this process, of feeding information into prices, take place?

a: Prices are formed out of the process of speculation on the stock market. A very large number of speculators are constantly watching the thousands of prices in the country. They are looking at all manner of information about the companies. If they feel that a price is "too low", they buy shares. If they feel that a price is "too high", they sell shares. This process of speculation, spread across a very large number of players, is called "speculative price discovery". It is a highly effective method for obtaining informative prices.

q: What about money flows into the market?

a: Many people make a mistake by claiming that for share prices to go up, "someone has to be buying". But for a trade to take place, there has to be one buyer and one seller. If someone is buying, then equally, someone is selling. A newspaper headline "Stock prices went up on heavy FII buying" can equally be written as "Stock prices went up on heavy individual selling".

q: But we always hear that FIIs dominate the stock market?

a: In 2004, FII transactions accounted for 5.8% of the market trading. The tail cannot wag the dog. The dominant force in the Indian equity market is the tens of thousands of individuals operating from all across the country.

q: Why do you claim that these speculators make a "sound" price?

a: Individual speculators have the correct incentives. If a share is "too cheap", some speculators will like to buy it. If a share is "too costly", some speculators will like to sell it. If an individual speculator makes a mistake, he pays the price for it. If he makes a correct decision, he reaps the fruits of it. There are no regulatory or corporate governance problems intruding into his decisions.

Unlike individuals, employees of finance companies, grandiosedly called "financial institutions" are often unable to act rationally. Wrongly drafted regulations routinely forbid rational decisions. And the self-interest of an employee may not lead to correct decisions. A great strength of Indian finance is the small size of sluggish institutional investors and the large size of rational individuals.

q: How many such individuals exist?

a: Nobody knows. But we know that there are 7 million accounts at NSDL. We don't know how many of these are active speculators, involved in price discovery.

q: What is market manipulation?

a: A manipulator starts with (say) Rs.100 crore and chooses a company X. He engages in sustained heavy buying on the market. He might also plant some fraudulent stories about company X in the business press. The price goes up. He hopes to sell out at the high price and walk away holding a cool profit.

q: What are the impediments faced?

a: When a price becomes "too high", rational speculators from all across the country start selling shares of X. Hence, the amount of money required to distort the price is quite large relative to the size of trading (or "liquidity") of the shares of X.

Manipulators do not distort prices for fun: they distort prices in order to make money out of it. The bigger hurdle faced by the speculator is that of getting out of a manipulative position with money. It is one thing to put down a large amount of money into buying shares of X. The difficult thing is selling out and translating this into profit. When a price is known to be too high, no rational speculator will want to buy those shares. The manipulator is often reduced to unethical practices of locating some ignorant public sector bank or FII on whom the shares are dumped at the high price. This carries it's own risks: it might not always be possible, and the manipulator can get caught.

Manipulation will take place when the rational manipulator compares the costs and benefits of manipulation and feels that he has a good chance of making a very high return. More liquidity on the market, and less big money in the hands of ignorant institutional investors, means that there will be less market manipulation.

Over the years, it has become increasingly clear that the biggest traded securities in India are simply too big for anyone to engage in market manipulation. Securities like Nifty, Infosys, Reliance, etc. are vast pools of speculative activity. It is too difficult for a manipulator to affect such prices. As market liquidity has gone up over the years, the problem areas have shifted down to smaller and smaller stocks, such as the recent concerns about companies with share prices below Rs 5, called "penny stocks".

q: What can SEBI and the exchanges do to increase the impediments faced by market manipulators?

a: These impediments are heightened when there is equity derivatives trading and short selling. When these are available, the rational speculator is able to exert pressure even if he does not own shares in X. A key aspect of this is derivatives trading, which empowers people who have knowledge. The equity derivatives are settled in cash: this means that a man who has knowledge but not shares can participate in that market, help restore sanity, and profit from it.

q: Why is it nearly impossible to manipulate stock market indexes?

a: Nifty is the 50 biggest stocks in India. The market capitalisation of Nfity is Rs.12,26,126 crore. Yesterday, Rs.10,184 crore of trading in Nifty derivatives took place. These are all very big numbers. The manipulator would need massive amounts of money to even influence the price. More importantly - it is not clear how he could profit from it.

q: What should the rational reader do?

a: You do not need to be a speculator to enjoy the superior returns of equity investment. You can participate in the growth of the equity market through index funds. Index funds are available on Nifty, Nifty junior and the BSE Sensex. All three have shown handsome profits in recent years, given the growth of these indexes. The BSE Sensex has gone up from 120 to 8600 in the period from 1979 to 2005.

If you do engage in stock speculation, be sure you really know a lot about the companies that you are trading in. And, if you are concerned about manipulation, you are safest when you are in a active stock where there are thousands of other traders.
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