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#91
That is not BNF. BNF futures holding as it is.
Please mention the M2M implication for this rolling down the SP for two option legs of the Collar . . .

If instead of this fall it would have been a rise, would you still implement a similar rolling up of the SPs of option legs . . .


Thanks for a live example, becomes v easy to understand the concept :thumb:
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#92
Let us weigh the pros and cons of roll over.

Initial bullish collar was established as follows :-

Futures 1 lot buy @ 18303
18900 CE 1 lot Short @ 223.90
18300 PE 1 lot buy @ 476.05

Maximum risk was = 255 points
Maximum profit was = 345 points.
BE @ 18558

The collar was closed as follows :-

The roll down was initiated while futures @ 17900 (Loss of 403 points)
Bought back 18900 CE @ 119 (Profit of 104 points)
Sold 18300 PE @ 692 (Profit of 216 points)

Net loss = 83 points (Please add charges)

New collar (rolled down) established as follows :-

Futures 1 lot long @ 17900
18500 CE short @ 218
17900 PE long @ 474

BE @ 18156
Maximum rink = 256 points
Maximum Profit = 344 points

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With new collar, the BE point has been brought down by 402 points.
New profit target point is now 18500 instead of earlier 18900 which looks quite achievable. If BNF crosses 18500, I will close the trade.

Profit will be = 344 (rolled collar) - 83 points (1st collar) = 261 points.

In a nutshell, the cost of bringing down 400 profit target down is 83 points. This is achieved without averaging the trade. (Traders know well the consequences of averaging a loosing trade). The roll over is achievable without increasing the burden of capital. (Traders know that averaging a loosing trade requires unlimited capital which is impossible task for anyone).

Protecting the capital or keeping the risk under control is the utmost important task of a trader. It ensures your survival in the market for pretty longer period. If you can survive in the market for longer periods, your chances of making money increases.:cool::cool::cool:
 

SaravananKS

Well-Known Member
#93
Let us weigh the pros and cons of roll over.

Initial bullish collar was established as follows :-

Futures 1 lot buy @ 18303
18900 CE 1 lot Short @ 223.90
18300 PE 1 lot buy @ 476.05

Maximum risk was = 255 points
Maximum profit was = 345 points.
BE @ 18558

The collar was closed as follows :-

The roll down was initiated while futures @ 17900 (Loss of 403 points)
Bought back 18900 CE @ 119 (Profit of 104 points)
Sold 18300 PE @ 692 (Profit of 216 points)

Net loss = 83 points (Please add charges)

New collar (rolled down) established as follows :-

Futures 1 lot long @ 17900
18500 CE short @ 218
17900 PE long @ 474

BE @ 18156
Maximum rink = 256 points
Maximum Profit = 344 points

==============================================

With new collar, the BE point has been brought down by 402 points.
New profit target point is now 18500 instead of earlier 18900 which looks quite achievable. If BNF crosses 18500, I will close the trade.

Profit will be = 344 (rolled collar) - 83 points (1st collar) = 261 points.

In a nutshell, the cost of bringing down 400 profit target down is 83 points. This is achieved without averaging the trade. (Traders know well the consequences of averaging a loosing trade). The roll over is achievable without increasing the burden of capital. (Traders know that averaging a loosing trade requires unlimited capital which is impossible task for anyone).

Protecting the capital or keeping the risk under control is the utmost important task of a trader. It ensures your survival in the market for pretty longer period. If you can survive in the market for longer periods, your chances of making money increases.:cool::cool::cool:
I think there is some mistakes in calculation
here your target almost got


The cost of second Collar
Buy BNF FUT @ 17900
18500 CE Short @ 223.90
17900PE Long @ 474


Now BNF Fut 18511.05
18500 CE 447
17900 PE 222.10

So 18511.05-17900+223.90-447.00-474+222.10=136

136-First Collor Loss (83)=53 Points

it Needs 8 Transaction suppose we take Rs 50/- for each transaction
it costs Rs 400/- ( in discount broke)
400/25=24 Points
53-24=29 Points gain

29*25=Rs 725
is it enough for down side risk 255 Points ?

or am I doing some thing wrong ?
 
#94
Hi

We got to 18500+ now do we book the existing Options and recreate with higher SP . . .

400/500 points above . . . ?

Thanks


EDIT:

Rs 725 is it enough for down side risk 255 Points ?
I think we don't unwind till we get an M2M of about Rs 7500+ from this trade

Thanks
 

SaravananKS

Well-Known Member
#95
Hi

I think we don't unwind till we get an M2M of about Rs 7500+ from this trade

Thanks
if we hold the trade then we still carrying downside the risk na ?
if we do any options adjustment it will increase transaction cost

Personally I am holding similar Position

I bought BNF @ 18250 when price reached 18350 I decided to lock profit So sold 19000 CE and Bought 18400 PE and did not made any modification in position
planing to hold till expiry So I will get only profit. you might ask what you do if price fall from 18250/- on that case I would book loss since at that time I took that for intraday purpose :)
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#96
The collar is above the target. If we close the trade, we end up with a scratch trade without much profit. I did close the trade, because of personal commitments. The theta of the options is ruling at very high levels because of increased volatility.

If BNF remains above 18500 until the close of this month series, the profit potential is intact ie approx. 240-260 points.

The mute question is - will bnf stay above 18500 by the end of series? We cannot say.

Will there be a good profit potential had the collar not rolled down by keeping the original collar? Let us wait and see.
 
#98
Very Effective strategies has been posted which are very useful and we can get alot of information from it.
Yep, this is a nice thread.
 
#99
I need 5-10 years intraday data for nifty future. Earlier I got it from some traderji member. That file I could not able to open now. Please help me if possible.