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As per pms from some of my traderji friends, posting one of the techniques I use, if there is any constructive criticism will be open for the same. Please take a look if this is of some way of a miniscule use to you :D

Use two Bollinger bands BB(20,2) and BB(50,2).
Color BB(20,2) as red and BB(50,2) as green.


After doing as mentioned chart will look like the above.
Now I use Bollinger Bands for two things,
1) Gauging market mood.
2) Exit method.

Regular day:


Whenever market opens without gap or with less gap, then it is a regular day. I have shown BNF today’s chart above for 5 min which is my day trading trading time frame. Since looking onto multiple time frames is not comfortable for many, we will consider only 5 min time frame with 21 SMA, ADX(14), volume, BB(20,2) and BB(50,2), these are the indicators we are going to use.



Now, once market starts and first candle has started forming see our 5min chart. For example consider today. We can see that BB(20,2)(RED BB) is within BB(50,2)(GREEN BB) which means market has not started to trend well yet.

Do not take trade till both BBs intersect which tell us two higher tf’s are trending in same direction.

Only on 9:40AM candle both BBs have intersected, so this means we are ready to trade. Now wait for a pivot or in other words swing to form.

Now first swing high is formed(1H), which gets taken out by 2H which is formed on 10:35AM. So, we are long now two ticks over 1H, with SL two ticks below the low of 2H. This is a losing trade and we would lose around 21 points on this trade.

Remember always, since we are using only one TF here, no long when price is below 21SMA and no short when price is above 21SMA when it is a regular day, for gap day there are other rules to follow.

Now, 1st trade small loss, we are waiting for next setup, price has gone below 21SMA line we are now looking only for shorts, look at 1L which is taken out by 2L, before this happens the BBs move away from each other for two candles but have joined together before this break down. So, we can take this short trade again. We have entered two ticks below the low of 1L and SL is two ticks above the high of 2L. Since, this is intraday trend you can notice that BB(RED) is moving within BB(GREEN), don’t worry about this, keep trailing stops.



PLEASE NOTE HERE THAT WHENEVER MARKET IS GOING ON TREND MODE, MOST OF THE CANDLES GET TAGGED TO THE NEAREST BOLLINGER BAND AND WE CAN SIMPLY TRAIL SL WITHOUT TROUBLES.

Please see here, under the yellow quadrant, all prices tag the BB(RED) obliging trend. Suppose a candle is not tagged to BB, please trail SL above the second most recent candle that was touching BB, once BBs are not intersecting trail above every bear candle if your short and below every bull candle if you are long.

2E would have been our TSL that was taken and we would have made around 100 points from this trade.

After this BBs don’t meet each other as trend is not clear. Till now it was easy trading, now we have few rules to trade second half of the day, whenever two BBs are not intersecting each other, make sure to only enter on break out of pivots that are protruding outside atleast single BB. If protruding outside both BB, it’s a high probability trade.

The above condition is satisfied only on 3H break which happens on 2:30PM candle, hence we have entered 2 ticks above 3H with SL two ticks below 2:30PM candle. For every new high made through candle trail profits two candles before(low of second recent candle where second candle high needs to be more than 1st candle high), on our case this would be another 100 point trade.

Today was an easy day hence we had made good points. Now, I am pretty tired, so summarizing thumb rules,

1)Long only when price above 21SMA.
2)Short only when price below 21SMA.
3)If ADX(14) < 16 no trade whatever happens as this mentions market has lost its force in singularity direction.
Since, this method was used by me atleast six months ago, I am not able to remember all the rules I had. If I have missed something I will post it once I remember it.
Can, someone try this for some other day, or give me for some other day to explain if this is not clear.
For someone who was expecting more than this, I am sorry this is what I am using and had used as a part of my system.
For someone who finds this dumb, please ignore the same, I will be happy if atleast one struggling trader gets something out of this.
If someone interested please try this for existing gap day and let me know the hiccup you face, I will try to help you out if it is possible for me to do so.
Hi
Thanks for this wonderful method & detailed explanation.Its really so nice of you that you have shared this method with fellow traders..:clap::clap::clap:
it will really help to fellow traders to learn something new .& new traders can get new idea to develop their own system on this premise of your method..

I will definately go through in details & will observe practical example of it..& then I will bother you again with my queries
Thanks again
 

Tlahuicole

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Hi
Thanks for this wonderful method & detailed explanation.Its really so nice of you that you have shared this method with fellow traders..:clap::clap::clap:
it will really help to fellow traders to learn something new .& new traders can get new idea to develop their own system on this premise of your method..

I will definately go through in details & will observe practical example of it..& then I will bother you again with my queries
Thanks again
Anytime bro :)
 

manishchan

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Tlahuicole bro. Amazingly explained..!! three cheers for the time and effort put !!:thumb::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Personally, I have somehow got stuck with PA in my mind and heart. Started with indicators/AFL's long ago and had to wean myself off the indicator based sys. So now..all you can find on my ami is just plain vanilla chart... Sometimes use vwap method of Pratap (very less though).

However, I got a few great ideas from your explanation of how we can use the interplay of LTF and HTF. And I'm def gonna try something out of this in the PA methods I trade. Thanks for the post !!

P.S : For all those who keep looking for a better system to trade.. see how Tlahuicole combined BB and SMA Pivot BO so beautifully. I remember threads in TJ where these things have been discussed in the past very very well.. not put together.. but deff how to trade based on BB.. or SMA or ADX/vol. This only proves dt if we understand the methods (any method) properly and logically.. all it takes is little bit of thinking..tweaking and backtesting to devise a nice profitable system :)

As per pms from some of my traderji friends, posting one of the techniques I use, if there is any constructive criticism will be open for the same. Please take a look if this is of some way of a miniscule use to you :D

Use two Bollinger bands BB(20,2) and BB(50,2).
Color BB(20,2) as red and BB(50,2) as green.


After doing as mentioned chart will look like the above.
Now I use Bollinger Bands for two things,
1) Gauging market mood.
2) Exit method.

Regular day:


Whenever market opens without gap or with less gap, then it is a regular day. I have shown BNF today’s chart above for 5 min which is my day trading trading time frame. Since looking onto multiple time frames is not comfortable for many, we will consider only 5 min time frame with 21 SMA, ADX(14), volume, BB(20,2) and BB(50,2), these are the indicators we are going to use.



Now, once market starts and first candle has started forming see our 5min chart. For example consider today. We can see that BB(20,2)(RED BB) is within BB(50,2)(GREEN BB) which means market has not started to trend well yet.

Do not take trade till both BBs intersect which tell us two higher tf’s are trending in same direction.

Only on 9:40AM candle both BBs have intersected, so this means we are ready to trade. Now wait for a pivot or in other words swing to form.

Now first swing high is formed(1H), which gets taken out by 2H which is formed on 10:35AM. So, we are long now two ticks over 1H, with SL two ticks below the low of 2H. This is a losing trade and we would lose around 21 points on this trade.

Remember always, since we are using only one TF here, no long when price is below 21SMA and no short when price is above 21SMA when it is a regular day, for gap day there are other rules to follow.

Now, 1st trade small loss, we are waiting for next setup, price has gone below 21SMA line we are now looking only for shorts, look at 1L which is taken out by 2L, before this happens the BBs move away from each other for two candles but have joined together before this break down. So, we can take this short trade again. We have entered two ticks below the low of 1L and SL is two ticks above the high of 2L. Since, this is intraday trend you can notice that BB(RED) is moving within BB(GREEN), don’t worry about this, keep trailing stops.



PLEASE NOTE HERE THAT WHENEVER MARKET IS GOING ON TREND MODE, MOST OF THE CANDLES GET TAGGED TO THE NEAREST BOLLINGER BAND AND WE CAN SIMPLY TRAIL SL WITHOUT TROUBLES.

Please see here, under the yellow quadrant, all prices tag the BB(RED) obliging trend. Suppose a candle is not tagged to BB, please trail SL above the second most recent candle that was touching BB, once BBs are not intersecting trail above every bear candle if your short and below every bull candle if you are long.

2E would have been our TSL that was taken and we would have made around 100 points from this trade.

After this BBs don’t meet each other as trend is not clear. Till now it was easy trading, now we have few rules to trade second half of the day, whenever two BBs are not intersecting each other, make sure to only enter on break out of pivots that are protruding outside atleast single BB. If protruding outside both BB, it’s a high probability trade.

The above condition is satisfied only on 3H break which happens on 2:30PM candle, hence we have entered 2 ticks above 3H with SL two ticks below 2:30PM candle. For every new high made through candle trail profits two candles before(low of second recent candle where second candle high needs to be more than 1st candle high), on our case this would be another 100 point trade.

Today was an easy day hence we had made good points. Now, I am pretty tired, so summarizing thumb rules,

1)Long only when price above 21SMA.
2)Short only when price below 21SMA.
3)If ADX(14) < 16 no trade whatever happens as this mentions market has lost its force in singularity direction.
Since, this method was used by me atleast six months ago, I am not able to remember all the rules I had. If I have missed something I will post it once I remember it.
Can, someone try this for some other day, or give me for some other day to explain if this is not clear.
For someone who was expecting more than this, I am sorry this is what I am using and had used as a part of my system.
For someone who finds this dumb, please ignore the same, I will be happy if atleast one struggling trader gets something out of this.
If someone interested please try this for existing gap day and let me know the hiccup you face, I will try to help you out if it is possible for me to do so.
 
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niftyoption

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RAAMAKANT

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Superb Inspirational Story.

Worth reading.....

Once there was a farmer who discovered that he had lost his watch in the farm. It was not an ordinary watch because it had sentimental value for him.

After searching the hay for a long while, he gave up and call the help of a group of children playing outside the barn. He promised them that, the person who found it, would be rewarded.

Hearing this, the children hurried inside the barn, went through and around the hay but still could not find the watch.

Just when the farmer was about to give up looking for his watch, a little boy went up to him and asked to be given another chance. The farmer looked at him and thought, “Why not.? After all, this kid looks sincere enough.”

So the farmer sent the little boy back in the barn. After a while the little boy came out with the watch in his hand.

The farmer was happy and surprised and so he asked the boy how he succeeded where the rest had failed.

The boy replied, “I did nothing but sit on the ground and listen. In the silence, I heard the ticking of the watch and just looked for it in that direction.”

MESSAGE : A Peaceful mind can think better than a worked up mind. Allow a few minutes of Silence to your mind every day, and see, how sharply it helps u to set your life the way you expect it to be.

MORAL : The soul always knows what to do to heal itself...
The challenge is to calm the mind…
 

oilman5

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TP Bro,
Not regular but can't resist posting my views. Your above statements need to be reviewed again regarding trading intraday, stops or trading future/Index.
Most of the time if we review our trades...it's either we buy too high or sell too low, that gives us hit & this happen mostly due to Psychological issue, lot has be said about that, so no need to add or our read is wrong. Posting today chart of DLF.. this might give fairer idea.
Fact of the matter is the setups which are good for scalp, most of the time are good for swing too or for higher profit target.
Also most of the time if we choose our trade right small stop is more than enough to take care...in this chart also if you select your setups near support even your tiny stop will not get hit majority of the time... that what we need as trader...e.g. I trade RCAP future, & my default stop is 1 point or less & majority of the time it works like charm ... so you need to work on the setup you trade..& then managing it right , management is the key as most of the HPT is more or less same what ever trading style we have. Any trade where your R:R is less than 2.. very hard to make profit, even 2R.. is not great if one look for scalp stock futures.. mainly due to slippages & some whips we get.
Hope this chart might be of some help.
All the best.
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very relevant post on trade learning. When after 1st 10yr in learning on market, i do same mistake of buying high/ selling low = reason of loss. i remedy it by going to college , to understand Value. When i could perceive it right, i now in weekly this low is pt to buy, and this high pt to sell.
Then i discard playing TREND , because i understand strength to play in top & bottom, with low stop
 
Crowd.in.....looks very tricky......First after 4pm......leader .....was 1.Supriya..2.Ravi.G...now janar..is leader......they both step down 5 &6......TP your comments.....
Yes, something was wrong with the database. Suddenly someone with 40000 pts is the topper. Ok.. at least they took corrective action. So we must keep an eye on them and keep complaining if something appears hinky.
Any Tj members... give some rough Idea....of Nifty closing Tom?...my tukka....8382 or 8395..........:D
My prediction, just like last 3-4 days.. 8385

In 2008 Crude fell $147 to $33.. so all its possible as per pattern setup's ... History will repeat yar...
I wish for the fall of price in Petrol up to at least Rs.44/- and Diesel up to Rs. 33/- Per litter as early as possible..... :lol:
History repeats..but will it this time?
:D
A fall in crude is very much on the cards, but how much will it fall in rupee terms ?? I can't say. Crude is a heavy source of revenue to the govt. and perhaps the government won't let the local prices fall much. Crude producers will get it bad below $70 because it will make the production unviable, whereas the OMCs will have a bumper profit.

Even now, with crude down > 25% on Brent and Nymex and MCX, the end user prices have come down not more than 10%.
 
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