Day Traders Lounge.

I think that one should not really pay much attention to the "drama" by any political entity. They all seem to have an axe to grind, and the national good a secondary objective.

If, by chance, there is a change of government, all the news channels will analyse the demonetization exercise and call it bad.

What does an ordinary citizen do under these circumstances ? Instant gratification is always soothing, all the advertisers know that. This is the reason why most of the day traders make losses :)
All the above will get attached soon under banami properties.Just wait for some more time.

All corruption will not come to an end in one month but we have to make a beginning somewhere....

I know a few families who are stuck up with large cash in their lockers...so many have been cought on wrong foot...why do you think these political parties doing so much " aakrosh?" ,don't get fooled by what they say....this aakrosh is for the fact that their war chest has become useless in just one night .

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Not only this people, many BJP people are also caught off guard. I know two politicians who are screwed very badly. Both from BJP. There are many corrupt goons in BJP as well. So this step by Modi is superb, whatever whiners say. Yes there are problems now at ground level. Things did not go smoothly. But this is a huge step and most leaders wouldn't even dare to take. It may take around 4 to 6 months before things settle down.

Problem with people is that they want instant result. Damn Maggie, you screwed mindset of our people :D . if he takes one step why didn't he take other?

Someone yesterday said that market performed better in Manmohan time or Rupee did well during that time. What was status of world market during that time? How is performance of other world currencies? Still those who were happy with congress will get a chance to re-elect in 2019. Use your vote and bring UPA back in power. Kejri supporters will have to wait for 22nd century though. :D
 

Rish

Well-Known Member
I think that one should not really pay much attention to the "drama" by any political entity. They all seem to have an axe to grind, and the national good a secondary objective.

If, by chance, there is a change of government, all the news channels will analyse the demonetization exercise and call it bad.

What does an ordinary citizen do under these circumstances ? Instant gratification is always soothing, all the advertisers know that. This is the reason why most of the day traders make losses :)
Yes...

Also....If any global turmoil (sooner or later will happen before 12th January 2017)...definitely it will affect India also..(Even PM can't do anything)...that circumstance..same media may starts giving adverse comments.....

It is all in the Game....Let us see what happens...

If goes well....BJP claim victory

If goes wrong....Congi claim Policy Failure.....and BJP will say in line with Global Circumstances/because world economy collapse.....(all parties play game according to the situation to save their face)....

Let us hope....good things may happen....
 

travi

Well-Known Member
Yes...

Also....If any global turmoil (sooner or later will happen before 12th January 2017)...definitely it will affect India also..(Even PM can't do anything)...that circumstance..same media may starts giving adverse comments.....

It is all in the Game....Let us see what happens...

If goes well....BJP claim victory

If goes wrong....Congi claim Policy Failure.....and BJP will say in line with Global Circumstances/because world economy collapse.....(all parties play game according to the situation to save their face)....

Let us hope....good things may happen....
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That's why Democracy is the lesser of the evils :D
 
Good for outsourcing :D
.... then maybe more debit cards will be blocked. Maybe my nightmare of bank account getting blocked will become a reality. IT Dept. best not outsource the data.

Anyway, if there weren't enough worries, here's more. Seems like more currency is becoming a global trend, instead of less cash.

Going cashless: Rising currency-GDP ratio key impediment

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 

deneb

Well-Known Member
Attorney general Mukul Rohatgi may have reportedly claimed in Supreme Court that the government expects to collect Rs 10 lakh crore deposits by demonetisation exercise. However, insofar as facts are concerned, there is no reason to rejoice, instead bulging deposits ring alarm bell for the government.

If indeed the attorney general’s estimate comes true, it will derail many assumptions about black money in cash and challenge the entire logic behind this gruesome demonetisation drive, that claims to have wiped off black money at the cost of causing grave trouble to common people and creating multiple banking challenges as the bonus.

To understand the logic, let’s go back to RBI data that says India possessed Rs 14 lakh crore cash in high denomination by March 2016.

Out of this, around 30 per cent, or nearly 5 lakh crore, was with banks and other government agencies, which is accounted for and so was clean cash.

The cash with the public stood at 70 per cent or Rs 9,926 billion (over 9 lakh crore). This cash with the public is the primary target of demonetisation exercise by virtue of the fact that the process of banning certain denominations of currency inflicts penalties on those who hold their unaccounted wealth in the form of cash at the moment of demonetisation.

According to government and RBI, banks deposits have already touched Rs 6 lakh crore mark, beginning November 10 till the teller closing November 18, while withdrawals, including the exchange of old notes, came in above Rs 1.35 lakh crore during the same period.

Total deposits (Rs 6 lakh crore) account for 60 per cent of total cash (Rs 9.9 lakh crore) with the public. A substantial amount of old currency has also reached petrol pumps, utilities, hospitals and medical stores, which have been further allowed to accept old notes until December 15.

The revised RBI data is yet to be made public. However, MoS finance, Santosh Gangwar, has been reportedly said, "A total of Rs 8 lakh crore in scrapped currency notes has been deposited in the banks". Mint Street experts also estimate almost 75 per cent of the total cash with public might have entered or transited through the official channels of banking and exchange system.

Now the old notes exchange facility at the banks stands scrapped, experts believe, deposits will keep swelling and collection may touch 9.9 lakh crore till December 30, ie close to the level of cash with public recorded before demonetisation.

As the success of the scheme will be measured by the fact that how much cash will come back for exchange and how much of it will disappear from the system, let’s assess the possible scenario on the deposit glut.

If the total deposit and exchange figures match with the high denomination cash in circulation data, then:

1. There wasn’t enough black money in cash in the first place, but a common man’s small cash savings and consumption expenses which entered the banking system. If original idea was to get this money in the banking system, this could have been done by banning the notes in phased and organised manner.

Or,

2. Black money hoarders found ways to deposit their dirty wealth with the help of people with low income. The reports of misuse of Jan Dhan and dormant accounts suggest this might be the case.

Now, drive against deposits

As deposits glut is leading to ruin the basic purpose of demonetisation, government is now forced to take corrective measures to discourage this trend. Government is rushing to Parliament with an amendment to the Income Tax Act to levy 50 per cent tax on unaccounted deposits and 25 per cent of deposited account would remain locked with government for four years.

Those who are caught later will have to pay 60 per cent tax plus 30 percent penalty. The amendment will be tabled in Parliament for approval by next week.

In the meanwhile, income tax department also is gearing up for a massive scrutiny drive against millions of accounts to check the whereabouts of the money.

As government is desperate to show the success of demonetisation in big numbers, the proposed income tax on bank deposits is coming up with two obvious targets.

1. The heavy tax on unaccounted deposits may discourage people to bring their black cash into the banks. This may result in the pile of extinguished cash, which may be claimed as bonanza by the government after the process is over.

2. If deposits keep bulging, the withhold money and tax on unaccounted deposits will become a facesaver.

Banks in a crazy fix

Swelling deposit is not good as this is the consumption expenditure, which has now been locked into bank accounts while the economy is struggling for fresh demand.

The banking industry and RBI too cannot celebrate this glut amid tapering demand of credit and rising NPAs. A few banks such as SBI, PNB, ICICI Bank and HDFC Bank have already slashed their deposit rates as they cannot afford to offer interests on huge deposits.

The real return of short-term deposit has now turned negative against consumer inflation: that is the depositors will not get any return of these deposits.

As currency shortage is acute and cash withdrawal limits are likely to stay longer than expected, banks will have to bear huge service cost on the deposits for the short to medium term, which they are passing on to RBI via reverse repurchase rate.

Reverse repo is the rate at which commercial banks lend excess deposits to RBI.

Since RBI cannot afford to pay interest to the banks beyond a point, therefore, on Saturday it has allowed banks to appropriate all incremental deposits as additional cash reserve ratio as a temporary measure.

However, this will mean that additional deposits with the banks may not be available for lending. This is contrary to the expectations of benign interest rates, post demonetisation.

Demonetisation may yield positive returns in the long run but as far as accretion of huge bank deposits is concerned, this is not an outcome to rejoice politically and certainly not economically.
http://www.dailyo.in/business/demon...jan-dhan-supreme-court-rbi/story/1/14250.html

Arithmetic

Total currency - 14 Lakh Crore
In the hands of RBI and Banks - 5 Lakh Crore
Remaining with Public (Supposed black money) - 9 Lakh crore
Deposited with banks following demonetization till now - 8 Lakh crore
Remaining unaccounted now - 1 Lakh crore

If there was sufficient black money holdings in cash, it is already back in the banking system with one month to go. So what was the purpose all this exercise if you add the printing cost of the new notes ?
 

bpr

Well-Known Member
http://www.dailyo.in/business/demon...jan-dhan-supreme-court-rbi/story/1/14250.html

Arithmetic

Total currency - 14 Lakh Crore
In the hands of RBI and Banks - 5 Lakh Crore
Remaining with Public (Supposed black money) - 9 Lakh crore
Deposited with banks following demonetization till now - 8 Lakh crore
Remaining unaccounted now - 1 Lakh crore

If there was sufficient black money holdings in cash, it is already back in the banking system with one month to go. So what was the purpose all this exercise if you add the printing cost of the new notes ?
discourage cash transaction and cash hoarding going forward.