is TA an ART or SCIENCE...?

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#1
Technical Analysis is a subject very close to my heart. I am very passionate about the way TA is used to find path of least resistance, creating a window of opportunity for traders. Such opportunity stays hidden till we get more confirmation and more we wait for confirmation, opportunity vanishes with the same speed.

All TA practitioners have their own analysis and come to a conclusion after extensive study of the charts. Their conviction is put to test on every trade they take and market decides if their expectation was in the right path. A good trader knows when market is proving his analysis wrong and adjust his trades accordingly. A new trader will find new reasons to hold on to his conviction to a point where the damage is brutal to his trading account.

Our eyes see what it wants to see and TA is an excellent tool to accomplish this with amazing effect. If a trader has a strong bullish conviction, he will come up with new analysis to support his views no matter how badly the scrip cracks. He will come up with new price levels that he hopes will be a turning point based on lines and indicators on different time frames to support his expectations.

Many novice traders believe that a clear set of rules is the answer. Follow the rules like a robot and have faith in the law of average. Initially the set of rules are kept simple and stupid. After a few bad experience, new rules are added to the trading plan. With time, trader adds rules to counter exiting rules to a point where the trader is afraid to pull the trigger after getting 4 SL hits in a row. Its only a matter of time, before he is back to the drawing board with a new set of simple rules and the process repeats itself.

We all have done this and we continue to do this. No one can pretend to be holier than thou in this matter. Only difference is, with experience, the changes to the rules are cosmetic and focus shifts to better risk / trade management.

I personally can get things right only 51% of the time. To me, luck plays a very important factor in deciding the outcome of a trade. My experience helps me in isolating when a trade is going bad and I have to tighten the stoploss or when a trade has potential to go the distance and i should give it wiggle room to mature into a monster. Sometimes, the comfort factor is not there and i avoid many trades.

On hindsight, every thing is crystal clear on what I should have done. I find that so many trades could have been handled better. So many missed opportunity and so many traded that i could have easily avoided.

I want to open a debate on this matter, is TA a science where the mind plays a pivot role or just an ART, which is open to interpretation as the heart see fit.
 

Reggie

Well-Known Member
#2
Very good post Lincon, an apt observation which is true for most traders.

Trading is a science as we need to follow rules to make an entry. Thereafter it is becomes art to manage position, add, take profits and cut losses. These come with experience.

Mark Douglas in 'The Disciplined Trader' states 'Be rigid with rules, and flexible with expectations'. Whereas the contrary is true with loosing traders. They are flexible with rules and rigid with expectations.

Most professional traders advise not to let a winning position turn into a loss, and to cut losses early. I think this is the 'art' part of trading.

My two bits worth.

Technical Analysis is a subject very close to my heart. I am very passionate about the way TA is used to find path of least resistance, creating a window of opportunity for traders. Such opportunity stays hidden till we get more confirmation and more we wait for confirmation, opportunity vanishes with the same speed.

All TA practitioners have their own analysis and come to a conclusion after extensive study of the charts. Their conviction is put to test on every trade they take and market decides if their expectation was in the right path. A good trader knows when market is proving his analysis wrong and adjust his trades accordingly. A new trader will find new reasons to hold on to his conviction to a point where the damage is brutal to his trading account.

Our eyes see what it wants to see and TA is an excellent tool to accomplish this with amazing effect. If a trader has a strong bullish conviction, he will come up with new analysis to support his views no matter how badly the scrip cracks. He will come up with new price levels that he hopes will be a turning point based on lines and indicators on different time frames to support his expectations.

Many novice traders believe that a clear set of rules is the answer. Follow the rules like a robot and have faith in the law of average. Initially the set of rules are kept simple and stupid. After a few bad experience, new rules are added to the trading plan. With time, trader adds rules to counter exiting rules to a point where the trader is afraid to pull the trigger after getting 4 SL hits in a row. Its only a matter of time, before he is back to the drawing board with a new set of simple rules and the process repeats itself.

We all have done this and we continue to do this. No one can pretend to be holier than thou in this matter. Only difference is, with experience, the changes to the rules are cosmetic and focus shifts to better risk / trade management.

I personally can get things right only 51% of the time. To me, luck plays a very important factor in deciding the outcome of a trade. My experience helps me in isolating when a trade is going bad and I have to tighten the stoploss or when a trade has potential to go the distance and i should give it wiggle room to mature into a monster. Sometimes, the comfort factor is not there and i avoid many trades.

On hindsight, every thing is crystal clear on what I should have done. I find that so many trades could have been handled better. So many missed opportunity and so many traded that i could have easily avoided.

I want to open a debate on this matter, is TA a science where the mind plays a pivot role or just an ART, which is open to interpretation as the heart see fit.
 

summasumma

Well-Known Member
#3
I believe its a scientific art... :)
we draw the art of what our heart expects in movement of price using various indicators of TA charting science.
 
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jahan

Well-Known Member
#5
hello,

I believe Trading is more than Science, and more than Art, we can't compare , it has its Own Charisma.
i found Trading is most Challenging Business i ever seen on this earth.

i like challenges, and its thinking man Business.

in trading we don't know wat we are going to get, i like this part of trading which keeps me stay alert all the time when iam infront of computer.

offcourse,TA is also close to my heart,but i dont predict i go with the flow,if i find myself wrong i will out of the position.

thank u linkon sir iam ur fan ......keep going with ur good work to this community.

regards,
jahan.
 

anuragmunjal

Well-Known Member
#6
mkt moves because of 'sentiments', 'positions'...not becos of imaginery lines drawn on paper.
is TA helpful.. depends on how one uses it.

case 1. my analysis says overall mkt is bullish, the stock is going down.. getting close to its previous bottom.. it will form a double bottom..therefore I shd buy here...

case 2 . my analysis says overall mkt is bullish,I will buy everytime the stock goes close to its previous bottom , if proven wrong.. let 'my analysis' go to hell..I shall get out after risking x%. on the other hand, if proven correct, I shall look to add to my position...I have a plan fr that.. so that if I loose on x quantity, I gain on 2x or 3x quantity.

regards
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#7
A practical example of TA, which is basically a tool to measure the emotion, was displayed by my kid cousin brother. He is a young blood and wants to get his ears pierced but doesnt know how his parents might react. He had the worst fear that he might be kicked out of the house and everyone will keep nagging him for the rest of his life for doing something thats against the family values.

He decides to put his fear to test. He puts a false clip-on ear ring and calls his dad and declares that he got his ears pierced. His whole family was furious when he comes home and he gets a scolding. He was prepared to pull out his false ear ring and declare that it was just a joke. But he held on and somehow, the reaction wasn't as bad as he expected and the nagging died down in a day.

The very next day... he got his ears pierced.
 

DanPickUp

Well-Known Member
#8
Dear Linkon

Have not seen you for quit a while in this forum. For me TA is fine and I gave up to think too much about it. Came from many indicators in one picture down to more or less only look at a pure price chart with no indicators. Trend lines and ranges are looked at and some times some patterns which occur. But all the rest I more or less gave up.

Comparing different markets which have a minus correlation or a leading aspect to some other markets and that already gives an acceptable idea where market will move. Trying to pick the top and the bottom is still a try at any time, but lost its value significantly in the past as it is not the first rule in plays which include different trading derivatives and other tools which nothing have to do with TA.

Told that, I would say that TA is either art nor science. It is experience.

Just my two cents which can be wrong in other eyes.

Good trading

DanPickUp
 
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