HI, Subhadip bro , Travi bro , Vijay bro im just now studying the thread , just now came to 103 page , between this im trying to mark pivots in charts , im not taking trades , but sure will do markings in live charts , before that first i have to learn the proper method whether im doing correct or not , thats why im asking in posts , first if started to mark them correct then only i will go further to check in live charts ,while studying theoritically looks im understood Visual pivots , vpl , vph but when comes in charts it becomes confused to do that , so asking whether im going in right way or not ,also im totally not understood when to enter long , short rules with visual trend ie IDF rules totlally puzzle for me , yes seniors cannot explain all my questions as its consuming time to explain these silly basics , but im posting here what i do or practise , whenever have time please give your valuble opinions, im eagerly waiting for your replies for my silly newbie posts. :clapping::clapping::clapping: