Building Trader's Psychology

veluri1967

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#11
Buy at 0 and sell at 100 which bears no loss. Is it realistic?

Without a doubt that there are specific reasons why the best traders consistently out-perform everyone else.
If the reasons are to be distilled all of down to one, the best traders think differently from the rest. That doesn't sound very profound, but it does have profound implications if you consider what it means to think differently.

To one degree or another, all of us think differently from everyone else. We may not always be mindful of this fact; it seems natural to assume that other people share our perceptions and interpretations of events. In fact, this assumption continues to seem valid until we find ourselves in a basic, fundamental disagreement with someone about something we both experienced. Other than our physical features, the way we think is what makes us unique, probably even more unique than our physical features do.

Let's get back to traders. What is different about die way the best traders think as opposed to how those who are still struggling think? While the markets can be described as an arena of endless opportunities, they simultaneously confront the individual with some of the most sustained, adverse psychological conditions you can expose yourself to. At some point, everyone who trades learns something about the markets that will indicate when opportunities exist. But learning how to identify an opportunity to buy or sell does not mean that you have learned to think like a trader.

The defining characteristic that separates the consistent winners from everyone else is this:

The winners have attained a mind-set—aunique set of attitudes—that allows them to remain disciplined, focused, and, above all, confident in spite of the adverse conditions. As a result, they are no longer susceptible to the common fears and trading errors that plague everyone else.

Everyone who trades ends up learning something about the markets; very few people who trade ever learn the attitudes that are absolutely essential to becoming a consistent winner. Just as people can learn to perfect the proper technique for
swinging a golf club or tennis racket, their consistency, or lack of it, will without a doubt come from
their attitude Traders who make it beyond "the threshold of consistency" usually experience a great
deal of pain (both emotional and financial) before they acquire the land of attitude that allows them to
function effectively in the market environment. The rare exceptions are usually those who were born
into successful trading families or who started their trading careers under the guidance of someone who
understood the true nature of trading, and, just as important, knew how to teach it.

Why are emotional pain and financial disaster common among traders? The simple answer is that most
of us weren't fortunate enough to start our trading careers with the proper guidance. However, the reasons go much deeper than this. It is, after tremedous research, discovered that trading is chock full of paradoxes and contradictions
in thinking that make it extremely difficult to learn how to be successful. In fact, if one had to choose one
word that encapsulates the nature of trading, it would be "paradox."
(According to the dictionary, a paradox is something that seems to have contradictory qualities or that
is contrary to common belief or what generally makes sense to people.)
Financial and emotional disaster are common among traders because many of the perspectives,
attitudes, and principles that would otherwise make perfect sense and work quite well in our daily lives
have the opposite effect in the trading environment. They just don't work. Not knowing this, most
traders start their careers with a fundamental lack of understanding of what it means to be a trader, the
skills that are involved, and the depth to which those skills need to be developed.
Here is a prime example of what is talked about:

Trading is inherently risky. To our horror, no trade has a guaranteed outcome; therefore, the possibility of being wrong and losing money is always present. So when you put on a trade, can you consider yourself a risk-taker? Even though this may
sound like a tricky question, it is not.



The logical answer to the question is, unequivocally, yes.

If I engage in an activity that is inherently risky, then I must be a risktaker. This is a perfectly reasonable assumption for any trader to make. In fact, not only do virtually all traders make this assumption, but most traders take pride in thinking of
themselves as risk-takers. The problem is that this assumption couldn't be further from the truth. Of
course, any trader is taking a risk when you put on a trade, but that doesn't mean that you are
correspondingly accepting that risk. In other words, all trades are risky because the outcomes are
probable—not guaranteed. But do most traders really believe they are taking a risk when they put on a
trade? Have they really accepted that the trade has a non-guaranteed, probable outcome? Furthermore,
have they fully accepted the possible consequences?

The answer is, unequivocally, no!

Most traders have absolutely no concept of what it means to be a risk-taker in the way a successful trader thinks about risk. The best traders not only take the risk, they have also learned to accept and embrace that risk. There is a huge psychological gap between assuming you are a risk-taker because you put on trades and fully accepting the risks inherent in each trade.

When you fully accept the risks, it will have profound implications on your bottom-line performance.
The best traders can put on a trade without the slightest bit of hesitation or conflict, and just as freely
and without hesitation or conflict, admit it isn't working. They can get out of the trade—even with a
loss—and doing so doesn't resonate the slightest bit of emotional discomfort. In other words, the risks
inherent in trading do not cause the best traders to lose their discipline, focus, or sense of confidence.
If you are unable to trade without the slightest bit of emotional discomfort (specifically, fear), then you
have not learned how to accept the risks inherent in trading. This is a big problem, because to whatever
degree you haven't accepted the risk, is the same degree to which you will avoid the risk. Trying to
avoid something that is unavoidable will have disastrous effects on your ability to trade successfully.
Learning to truly accept the risks in any endeavor can be difficult, but it is extremely difficult for
traders, especially considering what's at stake.

What are we generally most afraid of (besides dying or public speaking)?
Certainly, losing money and being wrong both rank close to the top of the list.
Admitting we are wrong and losing money to boot can be extremely painful, and certainly something to
avoid. Yet as traders, we are confronted with these two possibilities virtually every moment we are in a
trade.

Now, you might be saying to yourself, "Apart from the fact that it hurts so much, it's natural to
not want to be wrong and lose something; therefore, it's appropriate for me to do whatever I can to
avoid it." I agree with you. But it is also this natural tendency that makes trading (which looks like it
should be easy) extremely difficult.
 
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jagankris

Well-Known Member
#14
Thanks a Ton Veluriji.
Personally I am tempted most of the times and a compelling urge to enter a script believing it to be the bottom arises.I am not sure if it is a traders instinct or just a gamblers speculation.
Just don't know how to get rid of this impulse or a rush to enter the script.
Ie how to eliminate the emotional rush/compulsion

or in other words how a traders mind state should be when seeing an oppurtunity.

TIA.
 

ranger123

Well-Known Member
#16
There are very less fellows who can master that skill of timing the market like me, who was bless with this skill with almost 100% surity all the time when I start my trading career years back.

When I start trading till more than 3 year I was consistant in this skill of Buying Low and Selling High and I was master automatically from the starting itself. I used all things like charts, pricing, no standard method, gat filling, jumping into trade when I feel etc and was able to time High and Low almost all the timings for 3 years.

But friends, I blue my captial 3 times in three years, you no why?

I master the skill of Buying Low and Selling even Lower & Selling High and Buying even Higher rofl:

No one can challenge that it is impossible to identfy top and bottom of the market, I do it earlier and for 3 year :clap:

Thank you and best of luck
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#17
Thanks a Ton Veluriji.
Personally I am tempted most of the times and a compelling urge to enter a script believing it to be the bottom arises.I am not sure if it is a traders instinct or just a gamblers speculation.
Just don't know how to get rid of this impulse or a rush to enter the script.
Ie how to eliminate the emotional rush/compulsion

or in other words how a traders mind state should be when seeing an oppurtunity.

TIA.
Follow your strategy. Enter only when your criteria gives buy signal and exit on reaching profit target or as per criteria.

Make atleast 25 trades as per your criteria. If you strictly follow your strategy in the next 25 trades just based on your criteria consistently, you are paving your way to trading success. No matter whether you are making profit or loss on your trades. Just follow your criteria.

All the best.
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#18
How do we remain disciplined, focused, and confident in the face of constant uncertainty?

It is a fundamental paradox in Trading. When you have learned how to "think" like a trader, that's exactly what you'll be able to do.

Learning how to redefine your trading activities in a way that allows
you to completely accept the risk is the key to thinking like a successful trader. Learning to accept the risk is a trading skillthe most important skill you can learn. Yet it's rare that developing traders focus any attention or expend any effort to learn it.

When you learn the trading skill of risk acceptance, the market will not be able to generate information that you define or interpret as painful. If the information the market generates doesn't have the potential to cause you emotional pain, there's nothing to avoid. It is just information, telling you what the possibilities are. This is called an objective perspectiveone that is not skewed or distorted by what you are afraid is going to happen or not happen.
I'm sure there isn't one trader reading this post who hasn't gotten into trades too soonbefore the market has actually generated a signal, or too latelong after the market has generated a signal. What trader hasn't convinced himself not to take a loss and, as a result, had it turn into a bigger one; or got out of winning trades too soon; or found himself in winning trades but didn't take any profits at all, and then let the trades turn into losers; or moved stoplosses closer to his entry point, only to get stopped out
and have the market go back in his direction?

These are but a few of the many errors traders perpetuate upon themselves time and time again. To our horror, these are not market-generated errors. That is, these errors do not come from the market. The market is neutral, in the sense that it moves and generates information about itself. Movement and information provide each of us with the opportunity to do something, but
that's all! The markets don't have any power over the unique way in which each of us perceives and interprets this information, or control of the decisions and actions we take as a result. The errors already mentioned and many more are strictly the result of what is called "faulty trading attitudes and perspectives." Faulty attitudes that foster fear instead of trust and confidence. It could not be put the difference between the consistent winners and everyone else more simply than this: The best traders aren't afraid. They aren't afraid because they have developed attitudes that
give them the greatest degree of mental flexibility to flow in and out of trades based on what the market is telling them about the possibilities from its perspective. At the same time, the best traders have developed attitudes that prevent them from getting reckless. Everyone else is afraid, to some degree or another. When they're not afraid, they have the tendency to become reckless and to create the kind of experience for themselves that will cause them to be afraid from that point on.

Ninety-five percent of the trading errors you are likely to makecausing the money to just evaporate before your eyeswill stem from your attitudes about being wrong, losing money, missing out, and leaving money on the table which are called the four primary trading fears.

Now, you may be saying to yourself, "I don't know about this: I've always thought traders should have a healthy fear of the markets." Again, this is a perfectly logical and reasonable assumption. But when it comes to trading, your fears will act against you in such a way that you will cause the very thing you are afraid of to actually happen. If you're afraid of being wrong, your fear will act upon your perception of market information in a way that will cause you to do something that ends up making you wrong. When you are fearful, no other possibilities exist. You can't perceive other possibilities or act on them properly, even if you did manage to perceive them, because fear is immobilizing. Physically, it causes us to freeze or run. Mentally, it causes us to narrow our focus of attention to the object of our fear. This
means that thoughts about other possibilities, as well as other available information from the market, get blocked. You won't think about all the rational things you've learned about the market until you are no longer afraid and the event is over. Then you will think to yourself, "I knew that. Why didn't I think of it then?" or, "Why couldn't I act on it then?"

It's extremely difficult to perceive that the source of these problems is our own inappropriate attitudes. That's what makes fear so insidious. Many of the thinking patterns that adversely affect our trading are a function of the natural ways in which we were brought up to think and see the world. These thinking patterns are so deeply ingrained that it rarely occurs to us that the source of our trading difficulties is internal, derived from our state of mind. Indeed, it seems much more natural to see the source of a problem as external, in the market, because it feels like the market is causing our pain, frustration, and dissatisfaction.

Obviously these are abstract concepts and certainly not something most traders are going to concern themselves with. Yet understanding the relationship between beliefs, attitudes, and perception is as fundamental to trading as learning how to peddle a bicycle. Put another way, understanding and controlling your perception of market information is important only to the extent that you want to achieve consistent results.

There is something else about trading that is as true as the statement just made: You don't have to know anything about yourself or the markets to put on a winning trade, just as you don't have to know the proper way to peddle a bicyle to reach your destination from time to time. Balacing a bicycle is a technique. Isnot it? Of course, the same is true for trading. We need
technique to achieve consistency. But what technique? This is truly one of the most perplexing aspects of learning how to trade effectively. If we aren't aware of, or don't understand, how our beliefs and attitudes affect our perception of market information, it will seem as if it is the market's behavior that is causing the lack of consistency. As a result, it would stand to reason that the best way to avoid losses and become consistent would be to learn more about the markets.

This bit of logic is a trap that almost all traders fall into at some point, and it seems to make perfect sense. But this approach doesn't work. The market simply offers too manyoften conflictingvariables to consider. Furthermore, there are no limits to the market's behavior. It can do anything at any moment. As a matter of fact, because every person who trades is a market variable, it can be said that any single trader can cause virtually anything to happen. This means that no matter how much you learn about the market's behavior, no matter how brilliant an analyst you become, you will never learn
enough to anticipate every possible way that the market can make you wrong or cause you to lose money. So if you are afraid of being wrong or losing money, it means you will never learn enough to compensate for the negative effects these fears will have on your ability to be objective and your ability to act without hesitation. In other words, you won't be confident in the face of constant uncertainty.

The hard, cold reality of trading is that every trade has an uncertain outcome. Unless you learn to completely accept the possibility of an uncertain outcome, you will try either consciously or unconsciously to avoid any possibility you define as painful. In the process, you will subject yourself to any number of self-generated, costly errors.


Now, you have not been suggested that we don't need some form of market analysis or methodology to define opportunities and allow us to recognize them; we certainly do. However, market analysis is not the path to consistent results. It will not solve the trading problems created by lack of confidence, lack of discipline, or improper focus. When you operate from the assumption that more or better analysis will create consistency, you will be driven to gather as many market variables as possible into your arsenal
of trading tools. But what happens then? You are still disappointed and betrayed by the markets, time and again, because of something you didn't see or give enough consideration to. It will feel like you can't trust the markets; but the reality is, you can't trust yourself.

Confidence and fear are contradictory states of mind that both stem from our beliefs and attitudes. To be confident, functioning in an environment where you can easily lose more than you intend to risk, requires absolute trust in yourself. However, you won't be able to achieve that trust until you have trained your mind to override your natural inclination to think in ways that are counterproductive to being a consistently successful trader.

Learning how to analyze the market's behavior is simply not the
appropriate training.
You have two choices:
You can try to eliminate risk by learning about as many market variables as possible.
Or
you can learn how to redefine your trading activities in such a way that you truly accept the risk, and you're no longer afraid.


When you've achieved a state of mind where you truly accept the risk, you won't have the potential to define and interpret market information in painful ways. When you eliminate the potential to define market information in painful ways, you also eliminate the tendency to rationalize, hesitate, jump the gun, hope that the market will give you money, or hope that the market will save you from your inability to cut your losses.
As long as you are susceptible to the lands of errors that are the result of rationalizing, justifying, hesitating, hoping, and jumping the gun, you will not be able to trust yourself. If you can't trust yourself to be objective and to always act in your own best interests, achieving consistent results will be next to impossible. Trying to do something that looks so simple may well be the most exasperating thing you will ever attempt to do. The irony is that, when you have the appropriate attitude, when you have acquired a "trader s mind-set" and can remain confident in the face of constant uncertainty, trading will be as easy and simple as you probably thought it was when you first started out.

So, what is the solution? You will need to learn how to adjust your attitudes and beliefs about trading in such a way that you can trade without the slightest bit of fear, but at the same time keep a framework in
place that does not allow you to become reckless. That's exactly what this thread is intended to unfold.
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#19
As a Trader we have no control over market.


Our upbringing has programmed us to function in a social environment, which means we've acquired certain thinking strategies for fulfilling our needs, wants and desires that are geared toward social interaction. Not only have we learned to depend on each other to fulfill the needs, wants and desires we cannot fulfill completely on our own, but in the process we've acquired many socially-based controlling and manipulating techniques for assuring that other people behave in a manner that is consistent with what we want.

The markets may seem like a social endeavor because there are so many people involved, but they're not. If, in today's modern society, we have learned to depend on each other to fulfill basic needs, then the market environment (even though it exists in the midst of modern society) can be characterized as a psychological wilderness, where it's truly every man or woman for himself or herself. Not only can we not depend on the market to do anything for us, but it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to
manipulate or control anything that the market does. Now, if we've become effective at fulfilling our needs, wants and desires by learning how to control and manipulate our environment, but suddenly find ourselves, as traders, in an environment that does not know, care, or respond to anything that is important to us, where does that leave us? You're right if you said up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

One of the principal reasons so many successful people have failed miserably at trading is that their success is partly attributable to their superior ability to manipulate and control the social environment, to respond to what they want. To some degree, all of us have learned or developed techniques to make the external environment conform to our mental (interior) environment. The problem is that none of these techniques work with the market. The market doesn't respond to control and manipulation (unless you're a very large trader). However, we can control our perception and interpretation of market information, as well as our own behavior. Instead of controlling our surroundings so they conform to our idea of the way things should be, we can learn to control ourselves. Then we can perceive information from the most objective perspective possible, and structure our mental environment so that we always behave in a manner that is in our own best interest.
 

veluri1967

Well-Known Member
#20
To think in probabilities, you have to create a mental framework or mind-set that is consistent with the underlying principles of a probabilistic environment.

A probabilistic mind-set pertaining to trading consists of five fundamental truths.

1. Anything can happen.

2. You don't need to know what is going to happen next in order to make money.

3. There is a random distribution between wins and losses for any given set of variables that define an edge.

4. An edge is nothing more than an indication of a higher probability of one thing happening over another.

5. Every moment in the market is unique.
 

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