TARGET :500 Nifty points per month...!

rrmhatre72

Well-Known Member
Hi Lincoln,

Not seen you from many days!
Lion is in the Den :).. Not sleeping for sure.

I don't know, I can't stop myself from reading your strategy even in real time I am not practising it as I can't stay in front of computer all day along :)

Using your strategy.. If I can reduce my profit limit But keep it simple

Is this possible ?

Suppose I do the first job right i.e picking the right proce for straddle.

Hypothetical example:
For Sep 5500 straddle

115+106=221 premium received

Margin Blocked: 42K (Higher side, I know yours is lower)
Brokerage paid: 250 (Higher side)

Now spot price is 5460

Ideal situation, I want to be in , Short below 5500 and Long above 5500 .
Nothing else, I don't want to buy/sell in between future, Only interest is IN eating premium
(May defeat purpose of your strategy But as I don't want to sit all day But I have someone who can watch TV and tell me if position get close to 5500 again tell me to reverse OR I can place the reverse order also as stop trigger)

1) Is it possible
2) Is it as simple as it sounds
3) Since spot price is 5460 already below 5500 then I should short immediate as soon as I take the premium.
4) When can this strategy turn into a loss or no profit at all.

Thanks Lincoln and other experts
Please advise
Kaps:thumb:
Hi Cool KK,
To the best of my understanding......

In the case explained above, There may be three scenarios.
1. Market is going down continuously --- you will be in profit but profit will be stable as NF gain will get offset against Put loss. you will have call premium in your pocket which is your profit.
2. Market is going up : I am assuming NF short at 5450. If you do not switch your position after 5500 then this trade will move into loss ~5580. & Loss will be increasing continuously.
3. Market is volatile & moving in between 5450 & 5550: If this is happening frequently & you are changing your positions but if your stoploss is hitting frequently then this position will be in profit till you exhaust with all your time value. Assuming 5450as spot price you have time value of 171(221+5450spot price-5500(strike price))
You will have to monitor 5500 level continuously to to ensure your shot exit & long entry is exactly at 5500( or vice versa). In this case loss will be only brokrage from time value. As you will not be monitoring it continuously there is possibility that you may loose some additional points.
 
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cool_kk

Active Member
Hi Cool KK,
To the best of my understanding......

In the case explained above, There may be three scenarios.
1. Market is going down continuously --- you will be in profit but profit will be stable as NF gain will get offset against Put loss. you will have call premium in your pocket which is your profit.
2. Market is going up : I am assuming NF short at 5450. If you do not switch your position after 5500 then this trade will move into loss ~5580. & Loss will be increasing continuously.
3. Market is volatile & moving in between 5450 & 5550: If this is happening frequently & you are changing your positions but if your stoploss is hitting frequently then this position will be in profit till you exhaust with all your time value. Assuming 5450as spot price you have time value of 171(221+5450spot price-5500(strike price))
You will have to monitor 5500 level continuously to to ensure your shot exit & long entry is exactly at 5500( or vice versa). In this case loss will be only brokrage from time value. As you will not be monitoring it continuously there is possibility that you may loose some additional points.
Thanks rmmhatre,

Yeah, I need to just reverse the postion around 5000 and keep one side premimum in my pocket. Additional points/brokerage is fine But position will be
in some kind of profit if I respect strike price i.e. 5500 in this example.
Great
One scenerio I forgot to mention If break even point met means.. If I Nifty goes more then 100 points still I don't need to move my straddle OR is it advisable to move straddle i.e. exit current straddle and buy new straddle close to spot price.

If break even point crosses either side One will be Deep in Money and there may not be many selleres and I end up paying more premimum to close.

Thanks
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
Hi Lincoln,

Not seen you from many days!
Lion is in the Den :).. Not sleeping for sure.

I don't know, I can't stop myself from reading your strategy even in real time I am not practising it as I can't stay in front of computer all day along :)

Using your strategy.. If I can reduce my profit limit But keep it simple

Is this possible ?

Suppose I do the first job right i.e picking the right proce for straddle.

Hypothetical example:
For Sep 5500 straddle

115+106=221 premium received

Margin Blocked: 42K (Higher side, I know yours is lower)
Brokerage paid: 250 (Higher side)

Now spot price is 5460

Ideal situation, I want to be in , Short below 5500 and Long above 5500 .
Nothing else, I don't want to buy/sell in between future, Only interest is IN eating premium
(May defeat purpose of your strategy But as I don't want to sit all day But I have someone who can watch TV and tell me if position get close to 5500 again tell me to reverse OR I can place the reverse order also as stop trigger)

1) Is it possible
2) Is it as simple as it sounds
3) Since spot price is 5460 already below 5500 then I should short immediate as soon as I take the premium.
4) When can this strategy turn into a loss or no profit at all.

Thanks Lincoln and other experts
Please advise
Kaps:thumb:
in ur example, u are getting 221 points for a 5500 straddle short... expiry next month...there is plenty of time left... the time value on the 221 points is just 221 - (5500- 5460) = 181 points...

Now u do realise that a 3% move is enough to get you on the wrong foot...

This strategy is not meant for you as you are taking a lot of risk for a very little return... assuming u dont get time to man the screen... ofcourse...!
 

cool_kk

Active Member
in ur example, u are getting 221 points for a 5500 straddle short... expiry next month...there is plenty of time left... the time value on the 221 points is just 221 - (5500- 5460) = 181 points...

Now u do realise that a 3% move is enough to get you on the wrong foot...

This strategy is not meant for you as you are taking a lot of risk for a very little return... assuming u dont get time to man the screen... ofcourse...!
Thanks Lincoln for your time to reply

Hmm.. I was thinking I can use a part of your startegy to eat premimum and just short/long Nifty at my straddle strike point

It doesn't look like a great idea.. Isn'ted ?

Thanks
Kaps
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
Thanks Lincoln for your time to reply

Hmm.. I was thinking I can use a part of your startegy to eat premimum and just short/long Nifty at my straddle strike point

It doesn't look like a great idea.. Isn'ted ?

Thanks
Kaps
Actually...writing a straddle / strangle can be hedged with nifty... but issue is the non linear movement that we have every day... say u are running a short..and the next day it reverses... then you end up having to decide if you should reverse the trade or hold on ...

for someone who cant manage to give sufficient screen time...ideal strategy is to short straddle / OTM strangle and have a definite cut off point in terms of nifty movement... where you exit the trade...

or u can go for calender spreads...
 

cool_kk

Active Member
Actually...writing a straddle / strangle can be hedged with nifty... but issue is the non linear movement that we have every day... say u are running a short..and the next day it reverses... then you end up having to decide if you should reverse the trade or hold on ...

for someone who cant manage to give sufficient screen time...ideal strategy is to short straddle / OTM strangle and have a definite cut off point in terms of nifty movement... where you exit the trade...

or u can go for calender spreads...
Thanks Sir,

I like this strategy But if you can elaborate more with an example anytime that would be great. If not here then please PM me.. anytime when you have time.
Calender spread I am reading about so.. will share my views after reading.

Thanks
Kaps
 
Hi

I need an advise to hedge my 5500 Call sell @ 27 yesterday So I am in no loss no gain so far But I am looking to hedge it.

Any advise ?

I am more inclined toward hedging with option at this time

But

if future will be better then I am also for it

Also when to exit on your advise after hedging it
I don't want to win this trade But just want to protect it in a better way.

Thanks
Kaps
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
Hi

I need an advise to hedge my 5500 Call sell @ 27 yesterday So I am in no loss no gain so far But I am looking to hedge it.

Any advise ?

I am more inclined toward hedging with option at this time

But

if future will be better then I am also for it

Also when to exit on your advise after hedging it
I don't want to win this trade But just want to protect it in a better way.

Thanks
Kaps
buy and hold nifty futures of the same qty if 5489 is broken...
till then enjoy the premium....
 
buy and hold nifty futures of the same qty if 5489 is broken...
till then enjoy the premium....
You are da man!

I thought the same.. you know how.. I thought of you and your strategy. :)

I have written to capricorn in another thread, I will go long ...on 5480-5490 if charts show long :)

Great.. Thanks for confirmation..

regards
Kaps:thumb:
 
RESPECTED SIR,

I AM NEW TO THE WORLD OF OPTION TRADING, HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING UR THREAD FOR SOMETIMES NOW. I IMMEDIATELY NEED UR EXPERIENCED OPINION REGARDING AN OPTION STRATEGY WHICH IS PROBABLY A VARIATION OF IRON BUTTERFLY SPREAD [WHICH IS ALSO A COMBINATION OF SHORT STRADDLE & BEAR CALL & BULL PUT SPREADS] .

A REAL TRADE I HAVE TAKEN SHOWN HERE: -

ON THE 29TH OF JULY 2010, IVE

SOLD NIFTY 5300CE 2LOTS AUG@167 + SOLD NIFTY 5300PE 2LOTS AUG@70

RECVD PREM = 237*2

FOR PROTECTION, I

BUY NIFTY 6000CE 2LOTS [email protected] + BUY NIFTY 4400PE 2LOTS [email protected]

PAID PREM = 4.30*2



IVE ALREADY CLOSED THE POSITIONS EARLY FOR A PROFIT OF 50 RS, SINCE I HAD TO GO OUT OF STATION. THE CONFUSION, HOWEVER REMAINS

1. WAS MY SHORT NIFTY CALL PROTECTED TILL 6000 [EVEN IF THE PROFIT WOULD BE VERY LESS]?

2. WAS MY SHORT NIFTY PUT PROTECTED TILL 4400 [EVEN IF THE PROFIT WOULD BE VERY LESS]?

MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE THEORIES OF OPTION STRATEGIES SAYS SO, PLS CORRECT MENTIONING DETAILS IF I AM WRONG. DESPERATELY NEED UR HELP. PLS RESPONSE AT UR POSSIBLE EARLIEST. KEEP IN MIND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPTION MARKET IS AT THE STAGE OF INFANCY.

THANKING U

andiemusik
 

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