Trading Without Ego


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Trading Without Ego

Article: Trading Without Ego
by Ruth Barrons Roosevelt

Make no mistake about it. A trader's self concept has to be separate from the trading. Who you are as a person began before you ever thought of trading and who you will be as a person will extend beyond your trading. When personal self-worth entwines with trading, it not only damages self esteem, it sabotages the trading.

You hear about it. You read about it. Don't be misled. Traders tell stories. They write stories. They tell how great they are. Big trades. Big numbers. Big egos. Hubris. And sooner or later, big downfalls. It goes with the territory.

Consider the outsized egos of certain traders who brought themselves and those associated with them to ruin. Nicholas Leeson brought down the Barings Bank. Victor Niederhoffer ran his fund into deficit. John Merriweather threatened the health of our banking system by betting more than fifty times his capital that his strategies were certain to work, that he could forecast with impunity the direction of various bond markets. There's a pattern here of seeming or real success for a while and then collapse for themselves and for those caught up in blindly following them.

As Wayne Dyer said, Authentic freedom cannot be experienced until one learns to tame the ego and move out of self-absorption.

In his wonderful book, Pit Bull , Marty Schwartz tells several stories of the times he lost money because his ego got in the way. In the end he has this to say about ego:

I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again, because it cannot be overemphasized: the most important change in my trading career occurred when I learned to DIVORCE MY EGO FROM THE TRADE. Trading is a psychological game. Most people think that they're playing against the market, but the market doesn't care. You're really playing against yourself. You have to stop trying to will things to happen in order to prove that you're right. Listen only to what the market is telling you now. Forget what you thought it was telling you five minutes ago. The sole objective of trading is not to prove you're right, but to hear the cash register ring.

Because trading is an uncertain game of probabilities filled with uncertain vagaries, an overly inflated ego or a fragile ego can easily get smashed. Defending the ego uses up unnecessary energy, distorts perception, and sooner or later, will destroy the trading. If your self esteem rises and falls with your trading results, you and your trading are in trouble. Self concept has to be strong and durable and not at the mercy of the current, last, or next trade.

We need to check our egos at the door when we start to trade. Uncertainty is central to trading. If we add the uncertainty of our own self image into the mix of the unknowable endemic to trading, we're in for certain trouble sooner or later.

Some typical symptoms of egotizing trading would be the following:

Not putting in stops. The ego doesn't want to be proven wrong.
Hesitating before putting on a trade. The ego wants reassurance before it begins.
Overtrading. The ego wants to prove itself big time.
Getting stuck in a trade. The ego has intertwined itself with a trade and is holding on for dear life. It cannot cut out. The ego doesn't want to be wrong.
Adding to a losing trade. The ego digs its hole deeper in a massive effort to crawl out.
Grabbing a profit too soon. The ego wants a pat on the back.

How do we separate our ego from our trading? How do we keep from personalizing a trade? How do we avoid personalizing all of our trading?

One way to separate your ego from your trading is to build healthy boundaries between yourself and your trading. Not only do good fences make good neighbors, good boundaries make good traders.

A boundary sets limits, makes distinctions, informs you as to what is you and what is not you, makes clear the distinction between you and others, tells you where one thing ends and another begins. It distinguishes between past, present, and future. It lets you know that another's ideas, values, and feelings are not necessarily yours. A boundary is flexible and permeable. It lets information flow back and forth. It allows you to listen actively without having to take on someone else's opinions and without having to force your opinions on another person. In trading it draws a distinction between yourself and your trading, between one trade and another, between one trade and all of your trading.

One trader would see the signal to take a trade and before she could put the trade on, she'd hear a voice saying, "What if I'm wrong?" Immediately she'd feel small and diminished. The next step was simply to let the trade go by as she sat there stalled by her vulnerable ego. She needed a boundary between her self-esteem and the outcome of a trade. She needed a boundary between self worth and being wrong. With such a boundary she could give herself permission to not always have to be right.

Another trader had had nineteen winning trades in a row. The tension was building and he was strung tighter than a drum when he came to see me. I congratulated him on his recent success and asked him what would be so awful if the next trade was a loser. He said, "I'd lose my self-esteem, and without self-esteem you're nothing. What an untenable state of affairs! His self concept was riding on the results of the next trade. John needed a boundary between himself and his trading. He needed to know that his ego would be intact regardless of what happened to his trading.

A healthy boundary lets you know the difference between your business and yourself, between your trading and yourself. You are more than your business. You are more than your trading. A boundary also informs you that the results of one trade are not to be confused with the results of all of your trading. Boundaries guide you as to the difference between the past, the present, and the future.

Another way to get some distance between yourself and your trading is to look at it from different perspectives. This is also true in your relationships with other people. In most interactions with another person there are three different and separate perceptual positions.

The self position is looking through your own eyes, hearing what you hear, feeling your own feelings, holding your own beliefs, and making your own interpretations. Most of us live our lives in this position. This is the position that gives you passion. It's where the juice is. From this position we have access to some information, but not all of it.

The observer position is that of a neutral observer, a fair witness. This is a dissociated position. Here you watch yourself and the other person. Here you are in the role of a spectator as you listen to yourself and the other person. As an observer you'll have a third party's commentary. This gives you an impartial view, but if you stay here too long, you could end up playing the role of the cold fish.

The other position gives you the other person's point of view. Here you look at things through the eyes of the other, hold the other's feelings, walk and stand in the other's shoes. This position gives you the ability to identify with and through another person. Here you see the world through another person's eyes and get a sense of what they're feeling. If you live too much in this position, you could be in danger of living in the doormat position.

By going to the observer position, you can gain perspective and neutrality. Some successful traders move to the observer position when they put on a trade. If you're getting too involved in a trade, move to the observer position and look at it from that perspective. At the end of a given trade or at the end of a trading day, take a look at your trading from the fair witness position.

You can also look at your trading through the eyes of another person, for example, a trading buddy, a trading coach, or a trader you admire. What would this person say? What would they think? What, if any, advice would they give you?

Ego involves a separateness from all else. Let me recommend an exercise that will help you experience your oneness with the universe and release egocentricity. Go for a walk, or you can even do it inside. I prefer to do it walking down by the New York harbor. Look carefully at a tree, a plant, a cloud, a wave, or a flower or any other object such as a rock, a sidewalk, or a bench. Notice it's shape and the space it occupies. Become the object and experience yourself as filling that space. Keep doing this with different forms. After a while you'll experience wonderful freedom and energy.
Trading Without Ego
Good Post !! Very wise indeed.

Sometimes it is a good idea to actually let someone else take the trading decisions, and let oneself just restrict towards designing better systems.

Following signals is done easier by a person who has not designed the system. The lesser the wisdom(ego), the better is te adherance to a system.

That was a great article.......Thanks for posting it.Very nice!!!
Dear Members,
As regards, Day Traqding , I find the most important are the following two Rules(mentioned by Warren Buffet, I think)

Rule No . 1 Do not lose Money.
Rule No . 2 Do not forget rule no.1

You must limit your losses in day trading.
Limit your losses! This is one of the most important rules that a day trader must learn. There is no rule of thumb as to how a day trader should limit his or her losses, but there are basic steps that can be followed. One of the main reasons people lose money in day trading is because they do not limit their losses. For example, a person that claims to be "day trading" buys a stock and when the stock starts dropping, he says to himself, "I am going to wait because the stock is going to go back up." The stock then continues to drop and he realizes that he should have sold it earlier, when he was losing less. When the traditional "closing" time (4:00 PM EST) of the stock market is near, he decides that he is going to hold the stock until the next day, when it will surely recover. News is released overnight that is negative for the entire market. When the market opens the next morning, all stocks are lower, including the stock of our alleged "day trader." At this point, the "day trader" is a lot more nervous and a lot less wealthy. His denial reaches such gigantic proportions, that he convinces himself that he is really not a "day trader, but an "investor," and he is thus going to hold the stock as long as it takes to make up what he lost. As the stock plummets into oblivion, he loses his sleep and becomes severely depressed, convinced that day trading does not work and looking for someone, rather than himself, to blame for his pain and suffering. Don't let this happen to you. Limit your losses!

Happy trading,


Gurmeet said:
Good Post !! Very wise indeed.

Sometimes it is a good idea to actually let someone else take the trading decisions, and let oneself just restrict towards designing better systems.

Following signals is done easier by a person who has not designed the system. The lesser the wisdom(ego), the better is te adherance to a system.

I really like that idea...

That way the actual person doing the trade is only following orders which minimizes the chances of greed/ego/fear ruining the trade...

Re: willing to learn commodity market/gold market

Iam willing to learn the commodity/gold trading. please inform me the trading days & timings as well as how and can i enter into the said market.

Rubi dutta



The article once again reminded me many challenge areas waiting to get resolved,may be another 10 yrs down the line,someday.Thks.



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The problem is that we may be reading our own weaknesses in the article and might be thinking '' Thank god I have overcome these weakness''

The most important part is to analyze our own strengths and weakness, if we can do it then the problem will most probably get solved themselves

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