SEBI's new move to cut retailers participation in F&O!

TraderGYO

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For traders like us we can buy 1 KG of GOLD worth 30 Lakhs, with just over 10000 rs... Can you co-relate this into any business ??

We are allowed to anything with our own money, but doing it with leverage??
No, but I have questions regarding how they are implementing said rule to "Protect Retailers".
First question if 50% of net worth is allowed as an exposure limit then would that also include SL(should not require extra margin for this order) and Profit taking order margins?
Second question Suppose a client with low net worth is forced to take options positions and he/she tries to square off positions by placing sell orders. But unfortunately May 24 like NSE NOW incident happens and sell order get replicated and can not be cancelled(https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...errors-due-to-tech-glitch/article24672200.ece). In that case the risk management system has gone for a toss. Will this SEBI rule ensure the client will be protected in such scenario after-all clients were trading with a size that SEBI deemed safe!
 

headstrong007

----- Full-Time ----- Day-Trader
i dont understand why peoples are blaming SEBI for curbing retail participation in F&O, ....we knew for sure that over 95% peoples loosing money trading in much leveraged F&O, out of 95% loosers, i am sure 100% are retails ..then why blame SEBI ??
Just think it deeply you'll understand.

People always hope for the best, even in the face of adversity.


India has more than 50% of its population below the age of 25 and more than 65% below the age of 35.

The number of people in India especially the youth is increasing rapidly in the last few years. But there is not enough job creation happening. Inflation is rising but not the salary in a proportionate way.
People are in desperate need of alternative income. Small traders, college students, job seekers, unemployed youth or people unsatisfied with the present job or business are coming to stock market trading with their small savings for the hope to earn money.
 
Having known how SEBI works for last many years, I am sure that if they have made up their mind to do something, they dont listen to any petitions,representations etc and they enforce their decisions.

Smart_trade


भाई लोगो अब तो सेबी सिर्फ़ कोर्ट( सुप्रीम कोर्ट और हाईकोर्ट ) के डंडे से ही मानेगा, इसलिए कोर्ट मे जाने की तैयारी करो.
 

deba72

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For traders like us we can buy 1 KG of GOLD worth 30 Lakhs, with just over 10000 rs... Can you co-relate this into any business ??

We are allowed to anything with our own money, but doing it with leverage??
2 questions :

1. Have you seen any business that does not operate ( at least during the startup phase ! ) with leverage? Also for purchases like Auto, Home, 2-wheeler, Commercial vehicle,consumer durable, Credit card etc...? Does the world run without leverage?


2. Few years back, SEBI started something like Certified trading advisor and started a registration process for people who gives away 'trading tips'.... what has changed since then? Is SEBI underwriting the losses traders are making following the 'tips' being given by these "Certified Tips providers" ? if not what goal SEBI has reached by adding another set of paperwork ?
 
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cinderblock

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A networth certificate if you are travelling abroad costs 18,000.

Maybe discount brokers should start providing clients certificates using in-house CA @ Rs 5000. That would offset their loss of revenues :)

So, basically a small investor who just wants to buy a Put Option to hedge his portfolio before elections has to first spend Rs 18,000. Only then will he be allowed to hedge his small investment!
 
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okabira

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i dont understand why peoples are blaming SEBI for curbing retail participation in F&O, ....we knew for sure that over 95% peoples loosing money trading in much leveraged F&O, out of 95% loosers, i am sure 100% are retails ..then why blame SEBI ??
marimuthu bhai ..

then lets protest to close NSE .. why open in first place..
Himalaya chalo ..
 

headstrong007

----- Full-Time ----- Day-Trader
marimuthu bhai ..

then lets protest to close NSE .. why open in first place..
Himalaya chalo ..
Yes, let's close the stock market bcoz most people are loosing here. :mad: Close NSE, BSE, MCX.
More people are dying in the road accident due to rush driving or negligence of few. But with the same logic, we have to stop all vehicles. :)
 

headstrong007

----- Full-Time ----- Day-Trader
2 questions :

1. Have you seen any business that does not operate ( at least during the startup phase ! ) with leverage? Also for purchases like Auto, Home, 2-wheeler, Commercial vehicle,consumer durable, Credit card etc...? Does the world run without leverage?


2. Few years back, SEBI started something like Certified trading advisor and started a registration process for people who gives away 'trading tips'.... what has changed since then? Is SEBI underwriting the losses traders are making following the 'tips' being given by these "Certified Tips providers" ? if not what goal SEBI has reached by adding another set of paperwork ?
Bhai, sab kuch Gormint ke ishare se ho raha hai.
Their only goal is to Collect Maximum TAX by every possible ways and also to divert the retail trader's money to Mutual Funds as much as possible.