RNRL merger with Rpower good or bad FOR RNRL

superman

Well-Known Member
#11
Anil and Mukesh are such losers
Defaming the name of Reliance
Really many Retail Long term investors are in huge loss..

The legacy of his father is being destroyed by these 2 mean sons

Can the SEBI or Any governing agency do anything .. Can the company merger at whatever ratio it wants overnight easily ??

General public holding as in RNRL is 29.15%
 
#12
hi i am a bit bearish at this moment for rpower as in next series oi is less and it is trapping who is shorting this counter. the actual story is discounted. pls reply
 

VaibhavPRO

Well-Known Member
#13
Whenever these kind of mergers ( between companies of same parent company) are about to happen one should always look at how much of holding does the promoter have in both the companies. Always the company which has higher promoter holding will be benifited.

RNRL - 54.84% promoter holding
RPOWER - 84.78% promoter holding

So it was very easy to see which companies shareholders would have benifited.
This was told to me by my relative and thanx to him i had closed my longs on rnrl on friday. :D
 

magnet

Active Member
#14
Those having positions in RNRl should wait now.....

U were ready for the stock to touch 100 but not ready for rel power swap.....Now after swap....keep 250 target for rel power...

Surely this will happen fast

As RIL is going to buy a controlling part in RNRL....

I knew from begining both brothers are together...They made wealth by fooling the world and monopoly act......

If they dont be together they themselves will be their bigger competitor....

Right now....Stay invested and soon rel power will go 25-30 buks up in a day once the news come....Also rel power is going to generate a plant in Gujarat that also will pull the stock above 200
 
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praveen taneja

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#15
40-42 level is I feel a good level to enter in this stock and easily can see 50-52 level in coming days watever happen it still contain name of Reliance and all know
Rel communication -3G CDMA
3Gujju chor Dheeru Mukesh Anil
 

aditya14

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#16
Whenever these kind of mergers ( between companies of same parent company) are about to happen one should always look at how much of holding does the promoter have in both the companies. Always the company which has higher promoter holding will be benifited.

RNRL - 54.84% promoter holding
RPOWER - 84.78% promoter holding

So it was very easy to see which companies shareholders would have benifited.
This was told to me by my relative and thanx to him i had closed my longs on rnrl on friday. :D
Friday how did u get news before the market close?
 

VaibhavPRO

Well-Known Member
#17
Sorry wrote in wrong language. no one could know about the news of merger in market hours it was announced at 530. what i meant was that my uncle advised me to close position on RNRL on friday as i needed funds to buy a stock recommended by him. the situation was later explained to me after news came. my uncle has always been lucky for me. :D

P.S - Stock he has recently suggested is KRBL LTD have a look at its fundamentals.
 
#19
" I found this article on RNRL tells the whole background of RNRL mazak by Anil Ambani "


This headline from Economic times, July 5th , is interesting because it shows the extent of ignorance(or worse connivance with rogue promoters) of Indian financial newspapers. The content of the news item had conflicting points. It mentioned that "The merger swap ratio is in line with the two companies' market capitalization, or the value of the total shares at ruling market price. At Friday's close, RNRL's market capitalization stood at Rs 10,394 crore, nearly one-fourth of that of R-Power's Rs 41,979 crore " and yet, the article had a comment from an analyst that the RNRL stock may open 25% down from its closing price.

Indeed, the stock opened 20% down and crashed further to 28% below its closing price on Friday. If the "Swap ratio in line with Market rate of the stocks", why did this happen?

Before we delve into this, let me forewarn you that I consider the Reliance promoters are the pinnacle of evolution of corporate fraudsters. Since their last scandal in 2004, I consider them untouchables for investment purposes. This news item is of relevance solely due to its educational value.

There is an error of simple arithmetic. On Friday, RNRL's total outstanding shares of 163 crs were valued at 63.65 Rs. Per share, giving it a market capitalization of 10394.9 crs. Anil Ambani gave the RNRL shareholder, 1 Reliance Power share for every 4 shares they held in RNRL. This means, RNRL's total outstanding shares of 163 crs, were valued as equivalent to 40.8 cr shares of Rel Power which had a value of 7171 crs on Friday. (Assuming the deal is fair, Reliance Power shouldn't gain from this)

So over the weekend, RNRL shareholders lost 3243 crores or 31% of the market value. The loss of RNRL is the gain of Reliance Power because it got 10394.9 crs worth of shares by paying out only 7171 crs.

But doesn't Anil Ambani lose the money as RNRL shareholder? Yes he does but he can more than make up for that loss by virtue of his stake in Reliance Power. He owns 84.8% of Reliance Power but only 54.8% of RNRL. He makes a cool 971 crs overnight by this if we take the closing prices of RNRL and Reliance Power as fair value. You shouldn't have been surprised at this. Anil Ambani has majority stake in both companies and he can pass any resolution in the board. His self interest, myopic vision and confidance on short memory of public make this a rational decision. Remember what Aumman said "Rationality is orthogonal to the idea of good and bad"

But my grudge is against the media who is reporting this incorrectly. The swap ratio is NOT in line with the market rate of the stocks. A company with n1 outstanding stocks of price p1 is merged with another company of n2 outstanding stocks with p2 price. If the swap ratio is in line with the market rate of the stocks it should be p1/p2

First company shareholders give a value equivalent to p1 * n1.
Number of stocks of second company they should get is p1*n1/p2
For every share they hold, they must get (p1*n1/p2) / n1 => p1/p2 of second company.

The second company pays out (n1* p1/p2) * p2 which is p1 * n1, exactly same as the value of the business they are getting, assuming the market price is fair.

When RNRL is merged with Rel power, they should have got 63.65/ 175.15 shares for every shares they held in RNRL.That translates to about 3 shares for every 8 shares in RNRL.
Compare thus to 3 shares for every 12 shares in RNRL they are getting now.

I'm not saying that the prices of Rel Power and RNRL were in line with their intrinsic value. For me, RNRL had no reason to exist and even if it did, no sane investor had any reason to invest in it. The second clause is true even for Reliance Power. All I'm saying is that the swap ratio IS NOT in line with market rate of the stocks. You SHOULD NOT take the ratio of market capitalization to find out the swap ratio. It's simple math. Considering this, the excerpt from ET quoted above is highly misleading.

The only saving grace for ET is the adage known as Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
 
#20
Whenever these kind of mergers ( between companies of same parent company) are about to happen one should always look at how much of holding does the promoter have in both the companies. Always the company which has higher promoter holding will be benifited.

RNRL - 54.84% promoter holding
RPOWER - 84.78% promoter holding

So it was very easy to see which companies shareholders would have benifited.
This was told to me by my relative and thanx to him i had closed my longs on rnrl on friday. :D
how did the share fall so badly on Fri when no news of merger was out ?

where was the information leaked ? I mean ppl must hav known about the merger thats the reason the share fell like rocks on Fri closing.......?
 

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