i have seen threads in traderji, full time/part time/ swing traders trying to prove time and again that if we follow proper money management, discipline, with a strategy having an edge money can be made from market, i have seen even some of them posted their PL statements. i know this traderji community is full of like minded peoples and its so hard to make "our community" to believe. so here is a question how hard is to make others believe who don't even know what stock market is? your friends, your family or anyone to whom you talk to them about earning in stock market?