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afin

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You are person very far from reality dear..or at least the reality of human existence..

people who want keep uttarakhand prestine are travelling in escort cars and fleets in delhi and metros...running their ACs throughtout the day and what not..

come and see here...people washing utensils of the world which is one of the richest land on earth..
no land available to locals..mostly forest...where you can't touch a single piece of wood...
pregnant ladies are carried on shoulders to many kilometers to reach nearby hospitals...because of forest we can't build roads..
I travelled to UK in 2009 for 15 days through Kumaon. It was one probably one of the most memorable holidays I had ever with my parents. Reason I said I wanted it pristine was that I wanted it to remain unpolluted. Tourism can happen without pollution. For that one has to visit the Northern European countries and see their lifestyle. I honestly cannot comment on the economic situation of UK. I am completely disconnected from it.
 
Yes sadly river rafting claimed a few lives. But thats not a big problem. So many people lose lives on highways but govt doesnt ban cars.
Camping near ganga may seen as an environmental hazard but that can be taken care of by stricter compliance by tour operators. Again not a big issue. A ban is not a solution. If a tourist doesnt throw a plastic near camp, he/she will throw it elsewhere which will all end up in the ganga finally.

Should not allow construction on mountains and very close to rivers that flood. Agreed.! But that should not stop tourist activity. Govt has plenty of land for development elsewhere.

Edit: Moreover, India's economy growth lies in the semi urban and rural areas. Govt should focus there more.
yes...centralization of cities will not help the county's economy...growth and development should be in a distributed manner..

and river rafting is an adventure sport...one who doesn't understand it's meaning and the risk involved...should not try it..

and camping near ganga was never a health hazard,...people are still throwing tons of garbage...way way much more than revenue providing campers..on which many local families were getting bread and butter..

Government should make and implement policies and not stop anything...but unfortunately in the name of regularization...too much corruption is going on and on..
 

afin

Rocky Mountain Doomsday Guy
yes...centralization of cities will not help the county's economy...growth and development should be in a distributed manner..

and river rafting is an adventure sport...one who doesn't understand it's meaning and the risk involved...should not try it..

and camping near ganga was never a health hazard,...people are still throwing tons of garbage...way way much more than revenue providing campers..on which many local families were getting bread and butter..

Government should make and implement policies and not stop anything...but unfortunately in the name of regularization...too much corruption is going on and on..
If one really really wants to save the Ganga, then they have to shut all those chemical and effluents spewing factories and leather tanneries in UP that keep dumping untreated waste into the Ganga.
 
I travelled to UK in 2009 for 15 days through Kumaon. It was one probably one of the most memorable holidays I had ever with my parents. Reason I said I wanted it pristine was that I wanted it to remain unpolluted. Tourism can happen without pollution. For that one has to visit the Northern European countries and see their lifestyle. I honestly cannot comment on the economic situation of UK. I am completely disconnected from it.
bhai..tell UK to return the money they looted from world...
then they will not be even able to keep a single toilet clean..leave alone the country..
 

afin

Rocky Mountain Doomsday Guy
bhai..tell UK to return the money they looted from world...
then they will not be even able to keep a single toilet clean..leave alone the country..
Bhai, the UK I referred here was Uttarakhand. Not United Kingdom.
 
Many of the hindu temples in India are under government management. Many would not know this.
The pandits are mere employees. Its the government that uses the funds generated by the temples.

In UK, the government has been trying to get the char dham temples under endowment i.e public religious institutions and charitable endowment act 1984. Even in my place, our family temple is in the process of being usurped by the government.

Temple management in itself is a different issue all together. I am not sure if and when all these char dham temples come under government endowment it will help reduce environmental damage and reduce filth.
..the govt is routing the funds generated to by these temples to other accounts..
the pundits of these temples were earlier very rich and never bothered about money...but once the govt takes over something....you can see it happening..
I even heard the same priest once used to pray in badri and kedar temples in single day...people are still wondering what was the route..
 
Tourism need not necessarily mean environmental degradation in many cases. I will cite of my personal examples related to this. In Maharastra, we have the magnificent Ajanta and Ellora caves which I have visited a few years ago. The government of Maharashtra does not allow diesel/petrol vehicles anywhere near the caves. All tourists have to park their vehicles some 15 kms away and board CNG fueled buses that are operated by the Govt. to get to the caves. There is a strict ban on use of plastic. Tourists are not allowed to carry food items etc to the caves. All of this has ensured that the places is kept clean and environmental taken care of.

On the flip side, I have visited Kedarnath in Uttarakhand a few times. On my first visit, I was shell shocked at what I saw. To get to Kedarnath, one has to trek 14 Kms from a small village called Gaurikund which was nothing more than a few homes and many shanties. The trekking path is 20 feet wide mountainous terrain. There are about 2000 kacchars ( donkey like animals) used to ferry people up and down the mountain that use the same path people use. Imagine these animals pooping and pissing on the entire path up the mountains. Tourists have to walk on this animal poop and the stench is unbearable.

The river Mandakini which originates in Kedarnath is a tiny stream at the top of the mountain where it originates and runs its course along the trekking path. Tourists dump all their used water bottles in this stream which is washed downstream and gets collected at a flat area near GauriKund. You can see thousands of plastic bottles floating on the water. In fact, you cannot see any water here but just bottles and garbage. Lastly, once you get to the kedarnath mountain, a small 20 feet wide road leads to the main temple. There are small hotels on either side of this road. The hotel have no drainage facility and they end up washing all their utensils in front of the hotel entrance on the road. The road is littered with leftover food debris dumped by these hotel. Can you imagine that?

I was so shocked at seeing the filth that it left me wondering how on earth can any Hindu pilgrimage be so dirty. I had never seen anything like that before in any hindu temple. Absolute filth! When I was there, the DM of the place was also visiting GauriKund. I remember stopping him at his hotel and pointing out to the gross negligence only to be politely pushed back by his secretary.

One-two day after I left Kedarnath, there was a massive cloudburst and everything was washed away in the floods. Apart from the sadness due to loss of human life and property, I was happy in a way that all that filth was swept away by nature. That place needed a reset badly and it came with a bang.

So, yes you are right. Tourism and environmental conservation has to go hand in hand. But its not difficult at all. It can done if our govt has the will to do it.

Edit: Eco tourism is actually more rewarding as people do not mind paying a premium as compared to normal tourism. All the more reason why India and its citizens should lay more emphasis on it.

Sorry about the long post :(

I don't remember name..but some country was mentioned in CII meeting which is generating revenue only by eco tourism..

although I am not against mass tourism..specially related to religious faith...they should be charged entry fee to manage garbage collection.. himachal is doing it very well..unforunatnetly Uttarakahdnd never had the people and hence leaders of that quality..
 

Riskyman

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I even heard the same priest once used to pray in badri and kedar temples in single day...people are still wondering what was the route..
Hahaha yeh tho maya hai bhai:p They are both bloody far away. Mujhe ek din se zyada laga tha bike pe:)
Maybe this pandit has a helicopter:
 
Hahaha yeh tho maya hai bhai:p They are both bloody far away. Mujhe ek din se zyada laga tha bike pe:)
Maybe this pandit has a helicopter:
no bhai...it might be just a rumour..but he used to go by walk:
this what i found in google:
Distance Between Kedarnath to Badrinath

Distance between Kedarnath to Badrinath by Road is 218 Kms

Distance between Kedarnath to Badrinath by Flight is 41 Kms
 

Riskyman

Well-Known Member
no bhai...it might be just a rumour..but he used to go by walk:
this what i fond in google:
Distance Between Kedarnath to Badrinath
Distance between Kedarnath to Badrinath by Road is 218 Kms
Distance between Kedarnath to Badrinath by Flight is 41 Kms
Maybe this pandit can walk at 50 kmph :p
Morning puja in Kedar and evening puja in badri.

Ive done it on the bike. It took me more than a day with an over nite stay given the bad roads and intermittent hail and rain. Add 50 kgs of back packs and a pillion rider, the bike suspension was all toasted on those roads. :(
 

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