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"Maybe because we didn't know whoever are contracted infection and what are the necessary things to do" - See we still don't know with utmost certainty who is contracted and who is not, because we've simply not had enough testing (and I don't expect everyone to be tested because that is impractical). But today migrants are being screened (for temperature and symptoms), their destination is being noted and they are sent to their home state. The home state receives them, screens them for a second time and then quarantines them for 14 days. Which of these steps could not have been done on 15th April after taking 19 days for setting up the required infrastructure - the first period of lock-down - a duration during which even migrant labourers were fairly compliant to govt directives?
"encouraging healthcare workers gave.... collectively to tackle the crisis" - This is a new point being added to the discussion, absent in the previous posts and not quite relevant to the discussion. No one has opposed any display of encouragement (especially if it is free of any financial costs). My question was - if everyone (from every social strata) could be conveyed the time at which to clap and light candles ( and I don't say this pejoratively) why wasn't everyone conveyed of other relevant information like a plan for migrant movement or their ration etc. through the same of channels of communication as before?
"we haven't had a pandemic in a century" - On an average we've had two epidemics (or pandemics) once every decade.
"What would you have done and what would you do in the current situation? Please explain."
https://www.traderji.com/community/threads/general-trading-chat.96368/page-7715#post-1410944
"encouraging healthcare workers gave.... collectively to tackle the crisis" - This is a new point being added to the discussion, absent in the previous posts and not quite relevant to the discussion. No one has opposed any display of encouragement (especially if it is free of any financial costs). My question was - if everyone (from every social strata) could be conveyed the time at which to clap and light candles ( and I don't say this pejoratively) why wasn't everyone conveyed of other relevant information like a plan for migrant movement or their ration etc. through the same of channels of communication as before?
"we haven't had a pandemic in a century" - On an average we've had two epidemics (or pandemics) once every decade.
"What would you have done and what would you do in the current situation? Please explain."
https://www.traderji.com/community/threads/general-trading-chat.96368/page-7715#post-1410944
We already have such a committee. It's called the Cabinet. 
The committee won't be formed using bureaucrat either. Once you get paid for doing something, you tend to have 'yes boss' attitude. so an economist, not on govt payroll, scientist, who are working in particular field (for example in case of war/nuclear leakage, a nuclear field scientist, for bio-chemical warfare or virus situation another one... ), IT specialist ... etc..
they should come forward to help the country cope with this crisis, politically neutral.. i think there's already a platform for the intellectuals to contribute to the country, covidwarriors.gov.in, but a special core group of experts in the field could help derive a conclusive plan to go forward, like you said.
edit: pardon, it's a citizen volunteer platform.
edit: pardon, it's a citizen volunteer platform.
An expanded version of NAC perhaps? UPA will disagree with you.
In my opinion (and I might be wrong) I don't think that lack of expertise was an issue at all. That is available in abundance at all times. Issue is of attitude towards unpalatable truths. A case in point is the National Institutional Ranking Framework, which was not formulated suo-moto, but as a reaction to certain stark facts.
Edit Addon: I have no evidence to substantiate, but I think that even if this decision was discussed with the Cabinet and bureaucracy, the situation would have been 50% better.
In my opinion (and I might be wrong) I don't think that lack of expertise was an issue at all. That is available in abundance at all times. Issue is of attitude towards unpalatable truths. A case in point is the National Institutional Ranking Framework, which was not formulated suo-moto, but as a reaction to certain stark facts.
Edit Addon: I have no evidence to substantiate, but I think that even if this decision was discussed with the Cabinet and bureaucracy, the situation would have been 50% better.
see our TP bhai's comment on below that;
likewise there may have been many suggestions at the time, and authorities may have chosen the safest decision at that time. especially it was when Tabliqhi crisis was unfurling, so we didn't know how many were in the beginning stages of infection during March 15. the better way might have been to monitor for at least one more week.. also the decision of sending them home can be said in a jiffy, but an administration may not be able to do it in a very short time, they'd have to discuss, plan transportation and vehicle availability, allotments, strategy, risks, etc. so that may have been the cause of delay i think.
likewise there may have been many suggestions at the time, and authorities may have chosen the safest decision at that time. especially it was when Tabliqhi crisis was unfurling, so we didn't know how many were in the beginning stages of infection during March 15. the better way might have been to monitor for at least one more week.. also the decision of sending them home can be said in a jiffy, but an administration may not be able to do it in a very short time, they'd have to discuss, plan transportation and vehicle availability, allotments, strategy, risks, etc. so that may have been the cause of delay i think.
"see our TP bhai's comment" - precisely. Diversity of opinions is the essence of democracy. Govt went TPs way initially - and thus they should have set up ration and living arrangements for the migrant contingency.
Govt. went my way finally - and they should have setup the transport arrangements. I posit that neither of the two was done adequately. This resulted in the crisis rather than some conspiracy theory of "instigation" (which reminds me of Indira ji's days and "videshi shaktiyo ka haath" in every insignificant misfortune of the nation)
Anyway, this is a spiraling discussion with new points being brought-in, in each iteration.
Let's close the discussion with civility saying that it's a subjective matter. My subjective opinion is that for a competent administration, 19 days is long enough to anticipate such contingencies and make ready the infrastructure for them - food and living arrangements if staying (following TPs suggestion), transport, screening and isolation if leaving (following my suggestion) - and in my opinion, none of the two were done adequately or timely. Only half measures, that too when push came to shove. But I may be wrong.
You probably think that it takes much longer for setting up screening infrastructure, transport services or re-orienting the PDS system and you might be right.
Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
Govt. went my way finally - and they should have setup the transport arrangements. I posit that neither of the two was done adequately. This resulted in the crisis rather than some conspiracy theory of "instigation" (which reminds me of Indira ji's days and "videshi shaktiyo ka haath" in every insignificant misfortune of the nation)
Anyway, this is a spiraling discussion with new points being brought-in, in each iteration.
Let's close the discussion with civility saying that it's a subjective matter. My subjective opinion is that for a competent administration, 19 days is long enough to anticipate such contingencies and make ready the infrastructure for them - food and living arrangements if staying (following TPs suggestion), transport, screening and isolation if leaving (following my suggestion) - and in my opinion, none of the two were done adequately or timely. Only half measures, that too when push came to shove. But I may be wrong.
You probably think that it takes much longer for setting up screening infrastructure, transport services or re-orienting the PDS system and you might be right.
Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
"see our TP bhai's comment" - precisely. Diversity of opinions is the essence of democracy. Govt went TPs way initially - and thus they should have set up ration and living arrangements for the migrant contingency.
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Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
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Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
its better to say, no comments
"see our TP bhai's comment" - precisely. Diversity of opinions is the essence of democracy. Govt went TPs way initially - and thus they should have set up ration and living arrangements for the migrant contingency.
Govt. went my way finally - and they should have setup the transport arrangements. I posit that neither of the two was done adequately. This resulted in the crisis rather than some conspiracy theory of "instigation" (which reminds me of Indira ji's days and "videshi shaktiyo ka haath" in every insignificant misfortune of the nation)
Anyway, this is a spiraling discussion with new points being brought-in, in each iteration.
Let's close the discussion with civility saying that it's a subjective matter. My subjective opinion is that for a competent administration, 19 days is long enough to anticipate such contingencies and make ready the infrastructure for them - food and living arrangements if staying (following TPs suggestion), transport, screening and isolation if leaving (following my suggestion) - and in my opinion, none of the two were done adequately or timely. Only half measures, that too when push came to shove. But I may be wrong.
You probably think that it takes much longer for setting up screening infrastructure, transport services or re-orienting the PDS system and you might be right.
Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
Govt. went my way finally - and they should have setup the transport arrangements. I posit that neither of the two was done adequately. This resulted in the crisis rather than some conspiracy theory of "instigation" (which reminds me of Indira ji's days and "videshi shaktiyo ka haath" in every insignificant misfortune of the nation)
Anyway, this is a spiraling discussion with new points being brought-in, in each iteration.
Let's close the discussion with civility saying that it's a subjective matter. My subjective opinion is that for a competent administration, 19 days is long enough to anticipate such contingencies and make ready the infrastructure for them - food and living arrangements if staying (following TPs suggestion), transport, screening and isolation if leaving (following my suggestion) - and in my opinion, none of the two were done adequately or timely. Only half measures, that too when push came to shove. But I may be wrong.
You probably think that it takes much longer for setting up screening infrastructure, transport services or re-orienting the PDS system and you might be right.
Tabhlighi is a new point, which was not brought up in our previous posts and hence will need elaborate discussion, which looks unlikely. But keeping it brief, it was very badly covered by the media (for fake news reporting, alt and newslaundry have 2 articles with references, if interested) and distracted from many other equally important issues which should have received equal screen-time. Edit: Also, tabhligi had completed the "unfurling" (even on news channels, becoming stale news) at least a week prior to lockdown ending on 14th April.
Since this is a unilateral closure of discussion on this topic, you have the right to concluding comment.
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