Just Drop It Here !!!

Dax Devil

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DD,

While appreciate your sentiments, let's not ignore facts. Terrorist have no religion - just hate of humanity. Just a few examples :

* Hitler had a hatred of the Jews and was responsible for sending approx. six millions of innocent men, women and children to their deaths in gas chambers. He was actually the head of state, is that the reason that he is not called a terrorist? What about the ordinary Germans (besides the Nazi and officers) who were involved in hunting down and exterminating the Jews? They too are complicit in the crime. What should their actual label be?

* Timothy McVeigh was raised a Catholic, who loaded a truck bomb that killed 168 people and injured 600 more. Is he a Christian terrorist? Or because he did what he did for his hatred of the FBI, the religious background and upbringing should be ignored and not labelled?

* The Rawandan Genocide - The full scale of slaughter of the Tutsi by the Hutus resulted in between 500,000 to a million deaths. BTW both Tutsi and Hutus were Christians - How can one classify this wholescale killings of (again innocent people) people based on their skin color (here lighter skinned blacks vs. darker skinned blacks) or ethnicity by tribe? This level of violent hatred against another section of humanity - is that not terrorism?

* The Bosnian Genocide resulted in capture of 8,000 Muslim men and boys by the largely Christian Serbs. There are US war crime tribunals that have prosecuted the top political leaders of Serbia. This too is an xample of terrorism, no less.

* 1984 Anti-Sikh riots - This is a glaring blot on our democracy. The perpetrators of this crime are well doccumented and known to everybody. How many people were actually convicted of killing the innocent? Would this be an example of Hindu terrorism? (Sound offensive to me as I write it, but let's just not ignore facts)

* In Burma, we have the Rohingya minorities who are largely Muslims and are killed and persecuted for their beliefs. How do we label their killers?

* Swami Aseemanand (a former RSS member) planned the Malegaon blasts and the Samjhauta Express bombings. Fearing bad karma, he confessed before the judge (later recanted) In his confession said that he and other Hindu activists were involved in bombings at various Muslim religious. Shamefully, I must accept that there is Hindu terrorist as well. And just to add - Maya Kodnani (RSS member) lead a mob who in which 97 Muslims, including 36 women and 35 children, were murdered by stabbing, dismemberment and being burned alive individually as well as in groups. She was at the scene handing out swords, and also fired with her pistol while on the crowds who were trying to save their lives. The prosecution case is not being pursued against her for obvious reasons. This incident is widely quoted by the Pakistanis (as if a reason was required) to incite hatred against India. I as an Indian, am appalled that this happened, but the fact is that justice is being sabotaged because the perpetrators are from the majority community.

* The Wahabi Sunnis (sponsored by their financiers - The oil rich Saudis) are responsible and to be held accountable for the spread of hatred in official school textbooks and the madrasas. If you carry your holy book be it the Gita, The Bible or the Torah or such to any Saudi airport, all these will be taken and thrown in the dustbin in front of you. Why will no other country (the West who are the champions of human rights) speak against this and label these as crimes? - Because of the oil! (And BTW, these fanatics do not discriminate - other Muslims including Shias are fair game. But there is a saying if you keep a snake in your house, it will bite you, the radicals are now turning against their own in their own country as well!)

* There are too many examples of radical terror from the Muslims (Bombay blast, 9/11 attack, Kenya mall siege, Capture of 400 Nigerian school girls etc) - so am not even attempting to write about this.

The point I am trying to make is that in the 'name of God' sadly humanity is being killed - and this stems from the belief I am right and you are wrong. The point is we are all children of the same God, and he does not discriminate against another, so where is this hatred against another's belief coming from? It's only from wrong interpretation of the Holy Books. Just sharing my views..... as we have first to look into our own prejudices while we accuse others. As the Bible says - Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the log in your own eye? Enough said. Have a good weekend all!!!
Read the second post of mine that followed the one you quoted, in which the CIA agent lays bare the ground reality before the members of Congress. He needed to because those members belonged the same class of humanity as your goodself, DSM. A class that intellectualizes the problem instead of looking for the effective solution, and on top, bring morality into play to hide its innate hesitation to act decisively.

You may not have actually seen a cancer patient undergoing chemotherapy over a considerable period of time - I have. It is not a pretty sight. Falling hair, 24/7dull pain all over, brittle bones, nausea and other hellish things, which are but the results of colleteral cellular damage in order to stop the spread of tumour. And tumour is nothing but clusters of 'terrorist' cells, hellbent to takeover the rest of the heatlthy vitals of body if not checked. I am sure, in future we would have advanced techniques to deal with cancer in less barbaric ways, but at present this is what we have and this is what we use to save lives. We can't put the patients in stasis chambers and wait for future medical advancement.

And that exactly is the point. Intellectualization is nothing but puting problems in stasis chamber, and then debating endlessly on TV for want of better solution. The terrorism is clear and present danger. It is NOW. Therefore, same chemotherapy kind of ruthless treatment is required to be meted out to these fundamentalists and terrorists, no matter which religion or country they belong to. That is, they should be summarily wiped out with extreme prejudice from the face of earth, no matter what colleteral human cost. If a rogue country, or a city or a street is to be raged or even carpet bombed to achieve this, so be it. Coz if you won't, they will. That is the deal. Thankfully the Americans are aware of it, and are just waiting for a trigger point.

BTW, read WWII history afresh. You will see it was the elite intellectual British PM who indulged in dillydallying and tried to be peacemaker while nazis began annexing their border neighbours. Millions of jews would have been spared the indignity and the slaughter if Churchill were in 10 downing street.

Anyway, like always, nice interacting with you, friend. Take care.
 

DSM

Well-Known Member
DD,

Thanks for your post, you have replied but not answered even one point I have mentioned. You say it is intellectual argument - I say it is reality. What I have only pointed out is that hatred, prejudice and 'them vs. us' which we so abhor in the 'them' is also present in us. What 'they do is evil' I agree, but you do not have a solution. While you say 'If a rogue country, or a city or a street is to be raged or even carpet bombed to achieve this, so be it' will that bring to end the evil the ideology spread by Saudis Wahabism which the US and the west have allowed to grow under their feet and turned a blind eye to for their own interest?

One can kill people, or destroy a nation, but not the ideas - where brainwashed people look forward to die to claim paradise. That oil companies, political brokers control Capitol Hill is no secret. Have $$$'s - you have the ear of Washington. US interest is compromised by money and powerful lobbies.

And finally, hate begets hate - plain and simple. Mahatma Gandhi has said 'An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind' and in that respect reacting to, instead of proactive action against the root cause of spread of Wahabism (Making the corrupt Saudi monarchy accountable and holding them responsible for spread of hate) will resolve much of the problems without resorting to any extreme ideas of carpet bombing or such.... And my dear friend - if you too study history of oil, you will know that the House of Saud has bought peace for themselves by aligning their interest to extreme Islam and funded export of terror worldwide as long as they get to live depraved lives...... The guys who blow themselves are just idiots and cannon fodder, while the masterminds are safe and sound across the globe.

We could go on and on, but to follow on your idealogy - in the Anti-Sikh riot, 2,100 Sikhs were massacared in Delhi in 1984. (I wonder by who?) What if these survivors followed your line of thinking which sets off a never ending chain reaction.... (as justice has been sabotaged as there has not been EVEN ONE person held worthy of being sent to the gallows for over two thousand deaths!!!) Has the state failed (one among many other instances) to prosecute because what the 'majority' does is more acceptable and the perpetrators are not 'them'? If only we could leave asides our prejudices and go where the truth takes us, we would be seeing the world with different eyes, and it would surely be a better place to live for all. Enjoy what remains of the weekend!


Read the second post of mine that followed the one you quoted, in which the CIA agent lays bare the ground reality before the members of Congress. He needed to because those members belonged the same class of humanity as your goodself, DSM. A class that intellectualizes the problem instead of looking for the effective solution, and on top, bring morality into play to hide its innate hesitation to act decisively.

You may not have actually seen a cancer patient undergoing chemotherapy over a considerable period of time - I have. It is not a pretty sight. Falling hair, 24/7dull pain all over, brittle bones, nausea and other hellish things, which are but the results of colleteral cellular damage in order to stop the spread of tumour. And tumour is nothing but clusters of 'terrorist' cells, hellbent to takeover the rest of the heatlthy vitals of body if not checked. I am sure, in future we would have advanced techniques to deal with cancer in less barbaric ways, but at present this is what we have and this is what we use to save lives. We can't put the patients in stasis chambers and wait for future medical advancement.

And that exactly is the point. Intellectualization is nothing but puting problems in stasis chamber, and then debating endlessly on TV for want of better solution. The terrorism is clear and present danger. It is NOW. Therefore, same chemotherapy kind of ruthless treatment is required to be meted out to these fundamentalists and terrorists, no matter which religion or country they belong to. That is, they should be summarily wiped out with extreme prejudice from the face of earth, no matter what colleteral human cost. If a rogue country, or a city or a street is to be raged or even carpet bombed to achieve this, so be it. Coz if you won't, they will. That is the deal. Thankfully the Americans are aware of it, and are just waiting for a trigger point.

BTW, read WWII history afresh. You will see it was the elite intellectual British PM who indulged in dillydallying and tried to be peacemaker while nazis began annexing their border neighbours. Millions of jews would have been spared the indignity and the slaughter if Churchill were in 10 downing street.

Anyway, like always, nice interacting with you, friend. Take care.
 

Blackhole

Well-Known Member
Fable


A woman came out of her house and saw 3 old men with long white beards sitting in her front yard. She did not recognize them. She said "I don't think I know you, but you must be hungry. Please come in and have something to eat."

"Is the man of the house home?", they asked.

"No", she replied. "He's out."

"Then we cannot come in", they replied.

In the evening when her husband came home, she told him what had happened.

"Go tell them I am home and invite them in!"

The woman went out and invited the men in"

"We do not go into a House together," they replied.

"Why is that?" she asked.

One of the old men explained: "His name is Wealth," he said pointing to one of his friends, and said pointing to another one, "He is Success, and I am Love." Then he added, "Now go in and discuss with your husband which one of us you want in your home."

The woman went in and told her husband what was said. Her husband was overjoyed. "How nice!!", he said. "Since that is the case, let us invite Wealth. Let him come and fill our home with wealth!"

His wife disagreed. "My dear, why don't we invite Success?"

Their daughter was listening from the other corner of the house. She jumped in with her own suggestion: "Would it not be better to invite Love? Our home will then be filled with love!"

"Let us heed our daughter's advice," said the husband to his wife.

"Go out and invite Love to be our guest."

The woman went out and asked the 3 old men, "Which one of you is Love? Please come in and be our guest."

Love got up and started walking toward the house. The other 2 also got up and followed him. Surprised, the lady asked Wealth and Success: "I only invited Love, Why are you coming in?"

The old men replied together: "If you had invited Wealth or Success, the other two of us would've stayed out, but since you invited Love, wherever He goes, we go with him. Wherever there is Love, there is also Wealth and Success!!!!!!"
 

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