Learning Curve in Day Trading

suri112000

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#1
Without a doubt, the hardest thing about Day Trading is just getting through the personal learning curve before crashing and burning. A "learning curve“ is the time and effort required by an individual to acquire and become proficient in a new skill. Day trading is definitely a complex skill and is not easy. It requires a lot of work, dedication and continuous exposure to the market before you can develop the self-control necessary to be profitable on a regular basis. Remember, most day traders go broke or quit within the first year.

The knowledge of day trading does not come overnight. You wouldn't expect to become a chess master after playing a few games with a friend. It might take a hundred matches for the complexity of the game to finally start to sink in and several hundred games to truly master the strategies. Day Trading is game of chess that you play with the market, only the stakes are higher, you are using money to play the game! There is a lot to Day Trading. You must master complex analysis & strategies that help you time your entries and exits and the mechanics of order placement. You must develop consistency, patience, self-control, and an analytical mind, so that you can learn and improve from your failed trades and mistakes in money management. You have to overcome boredom, laziness and sloppiness.

As you expose yourself to the day trading process day after day, week after week, you will develop a calmer mind and learn how to control the emotions of fear and greed which very often take control of our mind which react to the market in ways we normally wouldn't and in ways we know we shouldn't. Your first goal is to be able to play the game and NOT LOSE money. At the end of the week you want to have a profit or at the very least be at break-even. Once you achieve this level of trading proficiency you can
go onto strive for higher and higher profits in your trading. But it has to be done is a strict and controlled manner or it can quickly lead to disaster.

If you really want to become a profitable day trader and not just another trader that gets kicked by the market then you will have to adopt the following trading plan.

Get through the day trading learning curve without going broke first!



How This Plan Works

The plan is designed to walk you along in baby steps and protect you from the number one threat to your day trading career…yourself! Everyone should start at Beginning Day Trader Level 1. It doesn't matter if you have a 40,00,000 account to trade, you will still want to start out at square one and EARN your way, step by step to Expert Day Trader Status.

Advancement Rules

2 consecutive weeks reaching Min. Weekly Profit Target Advances you to the next level.

2 consecutive weeks with a net loss for the week, gets you Demoted back to the previous level.


Max Daily Position Size: This is the maximum amount that you can have in 1 or more trades at the same time intra-day. For example, at Level 1, you can trade more than 10,000 cumulatively throughout the day over a series of trades but never more than 10,000 at any one given time. This max position size will keep your losses on any one trade that moves against you to minimum and easier to deal with.


Daily Loss Limit: This is the maximum amount that you can lose during a given trading day. If you hit your Daily loss limit at any time during the day you MUST QUIT trading with real money. You can watch the market and paper-trade all you want, but no more live trading! If you lose your daily loss limit on one or several trades, then things are not going in your favor that day. The Daily loss level will keep you from turning into a “get even -vengeance trader” for the remainder of the day which can easily triple and quadruple your initial smaller losses adding insult to injury.

Minimum Weekly Target: This is the minimum profit goal that you must achieve two weeks running to advance to the next level. It is a relatively conservative profit goal, as a good day trader could easily make the entire weekly target in a single trading day using the restrictions of the Max. Daily Position Size at that level. The idea is to get yourself finishing the week without big losses and with an acceptable profit -consistently before becoming more Aggressive.

Courtesy : www.swing-trading-club.com
 

suri112000

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#4
If a person already has some experience in day trading should they still start at level #1 ?

Yes, its still a good idea to begin at the beginning and EARN your way through each level step by step. If you are really that good you will have no problem progressing from level to level every 2 weeks.


What is the quickest the average person can go through all the levels to get to level 8?

If you were able to progress to the next level every two weeks Without fail, you would make it to level 8 on week 15 or just over 3 ½months. However most people will probably need more time at each level before being able to maintain the consistency to advance. The objective is to work through the learning curve gradually and not rush.


Why is it so important to go through each level step by step, if I do good for a couple of weeks at level one, why can’t I just jump to the middle?

There is a very important thing in Day Trading that you can only develop with step by step experience and that is proper position sizing on your trades at each level. Also it is being able to psychologically Handle temporary draw downs at Intermediate level #5 with a Max. daily loss limit of 400 and 200 drawn down on a trade might be completely acceptable relative to that level, however a beginning trader might panic because they are not used to, nor have they experienced an intra day loss that big. With a step by step advancement you condition and calibrate your mind to work at higher levels.
 

suri112000

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#5
The Key To Day Trading Success


Keep losses small.

If a planned day trade moves against us we want out quickly with the smallest loss possible. The typical stop we use for day trading is placed ½ percent from entry. In the beginning levels, one is likely to witness a number of losses in a row. It is therefore advised that during first two weeks training, learn to take losses which are short and within limits. Say your capital is 10000. Since you are beginner you are enthusiastic to play more. Say maximum five trades per day. Remember your daily risk is plugged at ½ percent of 10000 ie 50. So, you can risk a maximum of 5 on each trade. If your stop is 5 points away from your entry level, then you can trade only one share. If your stop is 2 points away from entry level, you can trade in two shares. Donot aim for profits. They follow. Your focus should be on limiting the losses at predetermined levels.

Never allow a big loss. Build discipline to cut losses short at predetermined stops.
 
#6
Mine personal opinion and i want to hear opinion of others- trading cannot be learnt without a mentor , all great traders have mentors to guide them, and atleast i have not heard anyone just became succesful, trading alone from beginning.This is very tricky profession.
(there will be exceptions -but still only moderately sucesful).
 

suri112000

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#7
Mine personal opinion and i want to hear opinion of others- trading cannot be learnt without a mentor , all great traders have mentors to guide them, and atleast i have not heard anyone just became succesful, trading alone from beginning.This is very tricky profession.
(there will be exceptions -but still only moderately sucesful).
True Jones. Our brains are wired to fail at trading. All these years we have been into believing that we are right and ought to be right at all the decisions we make. In trading we are wrong atleast in 50% of the decisions we make.
An untrained trader cannot handle those wrong decisions because he is wired to believe he is right and ought to be right in his decisions and in the process he tries to prove he is right even in those wrong decisions by holding loosing trades for long or averaging a loosing trade. Mentor helps in rewiring your thinking process at faster rate.
 

hmp

Well-Known Member
#8
Suri ji rely very useful information.Suppose we want to day trade in the beginning with one lot of nifty future, so to start with beginner 1st level.how to begin with?means target,stop loss etc.or can you take any nifty share and give us example?
 

mastermind007

Well-Known Member
#9
Without a doubt, the hardest thing about Day Trading is just getting through the personal learning curve before crashing and burning. A "learning curve“ is the time and effort required by an individual to acquire and become proficient in a new skill. Day trading is definitely a complex skill and is not easy. It requires a lot of work, dedication and continuous exposure to the market before you can develop the self-control necessary to be profitable on a regular basis. Remember, most day traders go broke or quit within the first year.

The knowledge of day trading does not come overnight. You wouldn't expect to become a chess master after playing a few games with a friend. It might take a hundred matches for the complexity of the game to finally start to sink in and several hundred games to truly master the strategies. Day Trading is game of chess that you play with the market, only the stakes are higher, you are using money to play the game! There is a lot to Day Trading. You must master complex analysis & strategies that help you time your entries and exits and the mechanics of order placement. You must develop consistency, patience, self-control, and an analytical mind, so that you can learn and improve from your failed trades and mistakes in money management. You have to overcome boredom, laziness and sloppiness.

As you expose yourself to the day trading process day after day, week after week, you will develop a calmer mind and learn how to control the emotions of fear and greed which very often take control of our mind which react to the market in ways we normally wouldn't and in ways we know we shouldn't. Your first goal is to be able to play the game and NOT LOSE money. At the end of the week you want to have a profit or at the very least be at break-even. Once you achieve this level of trading proficiency you can
go onto strive for higher and higher profits in your trading. But it has to be done is a strict and controlled manner or it can quickly lead to disaster.

If you really want to become a profitable day trader and not just another trader that gets kicked by the market then you will have to adopt the following trading plan.

Get through the day trading learning curve without going broke first!



How This Plan Works

The plan is designed to walk you along in baby steps and protect you from the number one threat to your day trading career…yourself! Everyone should start at Beginning Day Trader Level 1. It doesn't matter if you have a 40,00,000 account to trade, you will still want to start out at square one and EARN your way, step by step to Expert Day Trader Status.

Advancement Rules

2 consecutive weeks reaching Min. Weekly Profit Target Advances you to the next level.

2 consecutive weeks with a net loss for the week, gets you Demoted back to the previous level.


Max Daily Position Size: This is the maximum amount that you can have in 1 or more trades at the same time intra-day. For example, at Level 1, you can trade more than 10,000 cumulatively throughout the day over a series of trades but never more than 10,000 at any one given time. This max position size will keep your losses on any one trade that moves against you to minimum and easier to deal with.


Daily Loss Limit: This is the maximum amount that you can lose during a given trading day. If you hit your Daily loss limit at any time during the day you MUST QUIT trading with real money. You can watch the market and paper-trade all you want, but no more live trading! If you lose your daily loss limit on one or several trades, then things are not going in your favor that day. The Daily loss level will keep you from turning into a “get even -vengeance trader” for the remainder of the day which can easily triple and quadruple your initial smaller losses adding insult to injury.

Minimum Weekly Target: This is the minimum profit goal that you must achieve two weeks running to advance to the next level. It is a relatively conservative profit goal, as a good day trader could easily make the entire weekly target in a single trading day using the restrictions of the Max. Daily Position Size at that level. The idea is to get yourself finishing the week without big losses and with an acceptable profit -consistently before becoming more Aggressive.

Courtesy : www.swing-trading-club.com
It is beautifully laid out.. There is only one thing that I feel that I need to object to.

Concept of advancement being tied to fixed term is dangerous. Two weeks of +ve gain means nothing; It should be at least 4-5 months (roughly one season) at end of which trader must self-evaluate whether he has genuinely advanced. Of things to measure is confidence/trust and level of fear factor.

Stock market does not offer A.T.K.T; :lol: :lol:
 

suri112000

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#10
It is beautifully laid out.. There is only one thing that I feel that I need to object to.

Concept of advancement being tied to fixed term is dangerous. Two weeks of +ve gain means nothing; It should be at least 4-5 months (roughly one season) at end of which trader must self-evaluate whether he has genuinely advanced. Of things to measure is confidence/trust and level of fear factor.

Stock market does not offer A.T.K.T; :lol: :lol:
Beginner level consists of three stages each of two weeks duration. If one adheres to position size and daily loss limit, it should be a difficult process to get promoted to intermediate level. Even if we consider fluke trades of meeting weekly targets, getting fluke hits consecutively for six weeks is a difficult proposition. Recollect that there is a demotion also if one fails to achieve positive balance at any stage. Reaching expert level eight in sixteen weeks within laid rules is deliberately kept difficult keeping in mind changing rhythms and cycles of markets.
 

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