Learning Curve in Day Trading

suri112000

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The Key to Day Trading Success

Predetermined Stops

The first thing to learn is to take losses at predetermined levels if the trade goes wrong. It is already covered in earlier posts.

Break-Even

This is the second thing to learn. If you successfully master this you will have developed the edge required to make day trading successful.

This is a trade that has moved in your favor and has given you sufficient wiggle room to slide your stop to the B/E status. This means that if the stock trades back to your entry price you are out of the trade without suffering a loss. Some trades you will be able to move to B/E within minutes, with others it may take more time. The B/E move typically does not include your commission costs however if a stock has made a sizable move in your favor then you can include them.
 

suri112000

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#12
The Key to Day Trading Success

The key to day trading is to permit yourself only one of four possible outcomes for every trade you take.

4 allowable Trading Outcomes.

1. Small Loss
2. Breakeven
3. Small Gain
4. Large Gain

NEVER ALLOW A BIG LOSS

First and Second outcomes are already covered in earlier posts. Let us discuss about third and fourth outcomes.

Small Gain

A small gain on a trade may be a quick scalp of ½ percent or more when a stock makes a sudden move in your favor or may be the result of taking profits on a trade that just isn’t going anywhere and you are closing it out before the end of the session.


Large Gain

When you take a precision entry and end up catching a substantial intra-day price move you can experience a large gain on a trade. Stocks make long range moves about 1out of every 5 days and if you get on the right side of these they can be profitable.

The precision day trader should always strive to achieve more winning trades than losing trades. While this seems like an obvious concept, there are many trading books out there that try to convince you that you can make big money even if you win only 20-30% of the time as long as you win big. While this may be true in investing and even in Swing Trading it is not so true in day trading. The problem is our time horizon of seven hours to achieve profits while the market is open. Our gains on trades intra-day can only be so big. Therefore we must attempt to win more than we lose and this is accomplished by the accuracy of our entries and the timeliness of our profit taking.

If we use strict ½percent stop loss rules on all of our trading then we want the bulk of our winning trades to be 1% or greater. Remember the average stock moves 2.5% to 3.0% per day and if you catch a long range day it can be double or even triple that. If we get stopped out with a 0.5% loss twice,
stopped out at B/E with no loss twice and catch a 3% run on a stock experiencing a long range move, then our net profit for the day after 5 trades is positive. This is a win.


Many Day Traders are not sure when then should take profits on a trade that moves in their favor. We have probably all experienced the trade where we take profits on a trade much too early and the stock goes on tomove 3 times the distance from our entry. We feel cheated and short-changed. Lets say you went long 100 shares on a stock and quickly experienced a 1% gain on the trade in the big run up bar. You should take profits on half the position and keep the other half protected at B/E. A bit later in the trade when you notice the stock consolidating and respecting an upward sloping trendline you can slide your stop under that level. As the stock climbs the trend line, you can move your stop. You take your 2ndprofit on a trend line break with an extra 1% gain.

With only a 0.4% daily profit on your initial trading balance you will double your account within one year. Multiplying 0.4% against your available trading capital helps you determine your Daily Profit target in terms rupees. This will give you weekly and monthly targets as well.

The Daily profit target is important as it gives you a defined objective to work towards each day. At the end of the day you will have either met this objective or not and this framework will help you stay focused. Having a realistic target to aim towards each day will also give you a sense of achievement each time that you attain your trading goal and will also help you to become a more careful trader. How? You will quickly learn that getting sloppy, swinging for the fences and taking a big loss on atrade is just going to be a gamble that can set you back on your plan.
 

suri112000

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suri112000

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I really feel pity for the new traders who loose their money in their quest to make it big. I have tried to give a detailed plan how to achieve success through this thread about 3 and half years back. This plan is not a simple to read and leave stuff. This requires to be implemented to the spirit.

I have decided to run all the stages step by step for the new traders so that they derive the benefit of some fruitment learning.

I have selected two scrips for day trading on timeframe 5 minutes. In the first post at Beginners stage Ist level the amount is Rs.10000 and daily loss limit is Rs.50 and weekly profit target is Rs.100.

Chart settings 5 min
Indicator with ATR trailing stop with settings Multiplier 2 and Period 21
plot type squarewave
Highlow to be ticked.

I have selected two scrips viz SBIN and VEDL for the purpose.

Today's trades.

SBIN
short 292.25 qty 1
cover 292.70
Loss 0.45 ps

Buy 292.70 qty 2
sell 297.15
Profit 4.45 x 2 = 8.90

short 297.15 Qty 1
cover 298.55
loss 1.40

total = -0.45 + 8.90 - 1.40 = 7.00

VEDL
short 321.45 qty 1
cover 318.55
profit 2.90

Buy 318.55 Qty 1
sell 328.05
profit 9.50

short 328.05 Qty 1
cover 328
profit 0.05

Buy 328 Qty 1
Square off 329.30
profit 1.30

total = 2.90 + 9.50 + 0.05 + 1.30 = 13.75

Total profit = 20.75 deduct brokerage.
 
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Chart settings 5 min
Indicator with ATR trailing stop with settings Multiplier 2 and Period 21
plot type squarewave
Highlow to be ticked.
For those not familiar with the terminology, "ATR Trailing Stops" is a study available in Zerodha's Kite, shown in the SBIN 5 min chart below.

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Good stuff, Suri, keep it up.
 

suri112000

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SBIN
286.25 BUY 1 QTY
289 SELL
+ 2.75

289 SHORT 1 QTY
289.35 COVER
-0.35

BUY 289.35 2 QTY
SELL 285.25
-8.20

SHORT 285.25 3 QTY
COVER 287.75
-7.50

BUY 287.75 QTY 5
SELL 289.05
+ 6.50

SHORT 289.05 QTY 1
COVER 292
-2.95

BUY 292 QTY 2
SELL 294.05
+4.10

SHORT 294.05 QTY 1
SQUARE OFF 292.65
+1.40
TOTAL = -4.25

VEDL
BUY 313.70 QTY 1
SELL 316.95
+3.25

SHORT 316.95 QTY 1
COVER 317.50
-0.55

BUY 317.50 QTY 2
SELL 312.30
-10.40

SHORT 312.30 QTY 3
COVER 316.15
-11.55

BUY 316.15 QTY 5
SELL 325.15
+45

SHORT 325.15 QTY 1
SQUARE OFF 321.30
+3.85
TOTAL = 29.60
COMBINED TOTAL = + 25.35 BROKERAGE TO BE DEDUCTED.
 

suri112000

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SBIN
LONG 297 QTY 1
EXIT 293.90
-3.10

SHORT 293.30 QTY 2
EXIT 292.80
+1

LONG 292.80 QTY 1
EXIT 293.60
+0.80

SHORT 293.60 QTY 1
EXIT 294.30
-0.70

LONG 294.30 QTY 2
SQUARE OFF 291.75
-5.10

TOTAL = -7.10

VEDL

LONG 330.65 QTY 1
EXIT 327
-3.65

SHORT 327 QTY 2
EXIT 316.95
+14.10

LONG 316.95 QTY 1
SQUARE OFF 315.20
-1.75
TOTAL = 8.70

COMBINED TOTAL = +1.60 BROKERAGE TO BE ADJUSTED.
 

suri112000

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#20
Nice stuffs.. But what is the exact entry and exit condition ? Is it ATR trailing stops ?
The chart settings.
Chart settings 5 min
Indicator with ATR trailing stop with settings Multiplier 2 and Period 21
plot type squarewave
Highlow to be ticked. (Avoid this as it is giving lot of noise)

When 1st 5 min candle closes see the colour of indicator
if it is green, buy
if it is red, short.
and carry out the trades sequentially

If earlier trade is in loss, increase the quantity as follows.
1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 10.......

While implementing this sequene, if any earlier trade results in a profit, we start over again with qty 1. The profit need not to recover earlier losses.
Though this looks like martigale, this is not. You need to see through it.:)
Good luck
 
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