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Old 27th May 2007, 03:24 PM
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Anyways......whats ur opinion.....how difficult is it to become COMPLETELY robotic? Is it possible? after all when big money is involved, emotions are allways trying to creep in...

I have observed that instead of ignoring my fear, I find it better to accept that I am feeling afraid, accept the fact that I may be wrong, let the feelings pass, as I have accepted the eventuality, and take the trade.

most times the most difficult to execute trades are the best trades, and slowly setting up picture perfect rades often fail, at least for me.

Opinions invited.

ps....I often think of employing a pretty young thing to execute my trades

terrified of the distraction during market hours though

I have never really felt the need to be robotic in trading. I much prefer to remain a human with both my left-brain (analytic) & right-brain (intuitive) functions intact & active.

My methods aren't entirely mechanical either. You could say it's part mechanical & part discretionary. I use the mech part for a first level screening followed by the discr inputs. So a robot wouldn't know what what to trade in the first place.

I am very fastidious of an entry (wouldn't go for anything doubtful) but once everything points to a 'buy', i am generally eager to buy. The only times i feel frustated is when i'm fully invested and as such have to forego a nice buying opportunity. (So would be very happy with a larger trading acct. Would also aid risk-mgmt by helpin me to diversify better)

Not so comfy about shorting though; but that's because i haven't done a great deal of short-selling and am also not very sure-footed yet about Options (my shorting instrument). So i'm all tense & hanky-panky after a short. Hope this'll improve with time.

And yes, i used to be very hesitant about SLs, but have since developed a SL scheme with which i'm fairly comfortable (one thing i try to do is avoid the very obvious 'crowded' lvls that can be easily taken out by market makers & other 'conspirators').

A little bit of fear (as long as it doesn't paralyse you) can be good actually. Like with longs i sometimes get a bit complacent, go without SLs for a day or 2 when the momentum is there, but not so with shorts. With Options i'm always on my toes - keeping an eye on the TV ticker, refreshing the screen faster than it would refresh, everready to square -off should something go awry - all because of the fear.

As for the PYT - well, you'll know better. I'd prefer a PYA (pretty young android) so that there's no chance of 'her' getting distracted even if i was. Another option could be to get married (if you aren't already) and train your wife to execute the trades. Couples with a high degree of familiarity don't generally distract each other. But the downside is that she might actually be more mindful of your money (& hence more tense) than you are.

One reason for you stress could lie in your inherently stressful 'bet-till-you-win' method of martingales. But since you are successful with it, it's better left to your judgment as to whether you'd consider switching to something less stressful.

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Kalyan.
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Old 27th May 2007, 03:28 PM
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look whos talking GARBAGE OF THIS FORUM
stay away from my way big mouth

huh boring dead ppl
I have no interest whatsoever in how big a mouth one has, I am more interested in the mind. That is why interacting with great minds here is a big source of learning & ideas for me. Off course, having witnessed the 'quality' of your posts here & your plebeian notion of 'humour', i don't expect you to understand what i mean.

If you find the posts in this thread 'dead & boring' Fine. In that case
it would be pertinent to assume that henceforth you'd prefer to 'keep away' from it and spare us your 'livening up'.

Thanking you in advance for the same.

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That's fine BAV, but in the article posted by Asish the trader already had a SL in place; but since the trend was still up (& assuming his system hadn't yet given a sell signal) he was simply riding the trend while locking in his targeted profit with a SL

Now something unprecedented happened overnight which caused the mkt to open below his stop lvl the next day & the poor bloke presumably suffered a loss.

The author has on the above premise blamed the trader for not sticking to his profit targets; but the point here is that the unprecedented can happen any time. What if it happened before his profit target had been reached? What would you blame him of in that case?

That is why i think the logic isn't right here for establishing what the author has supposedly established.

It would however been perfectly alright if he had cited this case to establish the benefits of daytrading (not carrying trades overnight = no overnight risk) or say to establish the limitations of SL as a risk-mitigation measure (i.e. arguing in favour of better hedging methods).

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You are absolutely right. In trading or in any aspect of life unprecedented can happen anytime. Now as a trader one has to decide what one wants and his method/system. If you work on strict R/R then when your Reward is hit, get out. If you work on the premise of profit maximization, stay in. so what if one trade has gone against you? the % that you make over your target by letting profit run in all trades will be far more than the loss that happened in one of these trades. If thats not the case you (i.e. a trader) is reading the market volatility wrongly or has poorly designed money management. As CV says most authors talk crap and can't trade their way out of a paper bag. In hindsight we can say everything. BTW is the author a professor?
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kkseal...

You want meto let my wife know how much I make everyday? Then whats the use of trading! She will spend all of it !

And what if she executes a wrong trade I cant even scold her Dont wanna go without dinner
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kkseal...

You want meto let my wife know how much I make everyday? Then whats the use of trading! She will spend all of it !

And what if she executes a wrong trade I cant even scold her Dont wanna go without dinner

Nice Logic ,enjoyed it.
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kkseal...

You want meto let my wife know how much I make everyday? Then whats the use of trading! She will spend all of it !

And what if she executes a wrong trade I cant even scold her Dont wanna go without dinner
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Dear Saint,

I am on the way to being completely mechanical....almost there

And u are right a buy is a buy....and I like the " there is no u there "

Thats what I am working towards.....

Hopefully, such missed trades will be a thing of the past
All the best,Ratan

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Thank god am not married as of now
enjoying bachelor life with few gals would be better option
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hey noworries

How much have u learned in these last few days?

spend time going through imp threads.......try making a career out of trading , dont let it remain a time pass by wasting time

spend 3 years.... trading intraday.....then u will have time to leisurely cruise through forums
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hey noworries

How much have u learned in these last few days?

spend time going through imp threads.......try making a career out of trading , dont let it remain a time pass by wasting time

spend 3 years.... trading intraday.....then u will have time to leisurely cruise through forums
ok this is serious u got me bad
yeah am doing that sir was reading all chart and fundamental thing
its tough as of now i am daily trading with 60k app
my head just got stuck blank was reading charts and all pivot etc
i will keep ur advice thanks sir and dont mind my stupid jokes
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