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Liked RULE 10 of Ratan's post. Never seen this anywhere before. Technicians generally deplore Fundamentals. It's as if the two are mutually exclusive, but i've always found them to be complimentary.

Also i think logic (if it's right) always works, but sometimes it takes time and most traders neither have the patience nor can they afford to wait.

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Stick With The Plan
This may seem like a common sense statement, but the reality of market timing is that the majority of timers "think" they can stick to a timing strategy, however when the market moves against them, as it always does as some point, they are swayed by financial news stories, the desire to be "with" the crowd, and their own emotions, often exiting the strategy at exactly the wrong time.

Think about it. Let's use a fictional market timer named Mark for this example.

Mark has a strategy he knows has, over many years, outperformed the stock market. Mark knows going in there will be times when the strategy will lose. He sees this in the historical trades. He accepts this or at least he thinks he does.

But then, the market turns against Mark's first buy or sell signal and he is down 2%, then 4%. Mark is counting the dollars. He wakes up during the night with feelings of dread. Maybe "this" time it is different.

The next day, Mark exits the strategy and immediately feels better. He starts searching the internet for a better timing service. They are easy to find. We have personally seen some that "guarantee" 800% and 1000% returns. Much better than that 4% loss.

Of course the day after Mark exits the strategy, the market reverses and within a few more days, the strategy is now back in positive territory. Mark cannot enter, because he has lost 4% and knows it is not wise to enter mid-trade.

Mark is now feeling upset again. The initial feelings of relief when he exited the trade are gone. Mark is starting to feel he is missing out all over again.

After watching the market continue to advance, Mark finally makes a decision and re-enters the position after it has a nice 10% gain. Mark is feeling good again as the market has obviously turned and he is back on board.

Immediately the market takes back 4-5% of those gains and Mark now has a loss, that never should have occurred, of 8% to 9%.

Those who stayed with the strategy from the initial buy or sell signal are in positive territory and have a nice gain. Mark, however, exits again, with double his original loss, and quits market timing for good.

None of this need happen. When you start following a strategy, plan to stick with it for several years. That is how the smart money makes profits. They do not let emotions rule their marketing decisions. They stick with the plan!

The Trend Is Your Friend - Trade With The Trend
Personally, all of my strategies are based on trend trading. I know that the financial markets are usually in a trend, either up or down. So i enter the markets "after" I've identified a trend.

It is great to catch a reversal. It is also very difficult. Let me rephrase that.... it is almost impossible. I read stories of those who have perfectly caught a reversal, but they are news stories "because" it is so uncommon.

It is much easier to wait for a trend to begin, and then jump on board. If the trend fails, and some do, a well managed timing strategy will exit to cash, or reverse position, with only a small loss (or even a small gain). When the trend keeps going, that same well managed timing strategy rides the trend as far as the trend goes. This is where the power of trend trading is seen. By never missing a trend, and staying with the trend, trend following market timers make huge profits over time.
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Finally, one of the most dangerous trading methods is to take a contrary position and pray for a reversal. Such trades rarely work out. But many, many traders try them. And... many, many traders lose a lot of money.

Let Your Profits Run - Cut Your Losses Short
The second part of this rule (cut your losses short) is the toughest one.

It involves admitting that you were wrong. But in market timing, as in "all" trading, it is a rare moment indeed where you will eventually be proven right after first being proven wrong.

All strategies should be designed with strict risk management right from the start. NEVER let losses grow. If your strategy gives a buy or sell signal, and the indicators then go into reverse: reverse your position (or go to cash) immediately. If you look at our various strategy trade histories you will see that we rarely take a loss of more than a few percent. Never be afraid to change from a bull to a bear, or vice versa.

There is a reason for this. It is easy to make back a small loss. But large losses are not only hard to make up, but the psychological pain you experience from them could cause you to quite the strategy. And quitting with a loss not only guarantees that you will lock in the loss, but it is likely to have a detrimental effect on your buy and sell decisions for a long time.

The opposite of course is "letting your profits run." I never set a profit target. As far as I'm concerned, when we have a profitable trend going, the sky is the limit. We will stay with that trend as long as it is profitable. 20%, 50% 100%. We "never" limit profits.

This is why small losses do not concern us. We know that when we have our next profitable trend, we will ride it to the end.

Never Make Timing Decisions Based On Tips
A tip is rarely more than opinion, and frequently a bad one at that.

Even if the tip comes from a friend, don't take it. If you have a hard time with this, go back to "The Trend Is Your Friend."

Burn this into your head! Unfortunately, in market timing, a "friend" is not always a friend.

Remember this: - There is "always" a reason to doubt a trade. There is always someone who knows, absolutely, that the trade is wrong. In fact, they are often willing to go into great detail why you are making a bad trade.

Why would they do this? Simple, it is to prove to themselves that their trade is the more correct one.

Again, this is all emotions. And allowing emotions to have any say in your market timing (or any trading) decisions, guarantees that you you will have even more emotions to deal with. The emotions caused by losses.

Stick to the trading plan. Trade with the trend, cut your losses short and let your profits ride, and never, but never, listen to others. Successfully following and profiting from a trading strategy can be accomplished only by you, and you alone.


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i can only say a single word for this post, & that is "excellent".
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Ratan,
It is known ,we all collect from Net.Infact these will benifit our members.
Incidentally is it coincidental that Suman is not been seen after Swagat vouched for a permanent animosity.
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ASISH,

BY THIS POST YOU PROVE THAT YOU ARE ALSO IN FIGHTER GROUP (OR PLAYING A ROLE OF MR. NARAD). YOU ALWAYS TELL EVERYONE THAT NOT TO FIGHT. THEN WHY YOU ARE GOING TO POSTMORTEM ABOUT SWAGAT & SUMANS "LAFRABAZI". WHEN RATANS CONTRIBUTIONS ARE REALLY FAIR & GOOD IN THIS THREAD. STOP BEHAVING LIKE THIS.

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How come Swagat Suman's adversity effects you but not anyone else.
Ok biyasc will try to heed your advise in future.
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As the saying goes "Kaane ko sari duniya tedhi dikhti hai". Roughly translated a squint eyed man thinks the world is crooked.
i dont know who is squint eyed, but i can see whose logic is flawed.

1. if u r not RJ's same door neighbor, u would be happy to receive entire links to read more stuff and be knowledgeable. even if u despise more knowledge and dont want to read anything else that comes from other than RJ, you shouldn't be so upset, should you?

2. u wont have told me that i was taking cudgels on CV's behalf when u r doing the same on RJs (shall i say your) behalf.

why would u be upset if CV posts more links hearing my request. Hmmm...
so play it more intelligently next time.

btw, if u r not him, his alter ego or his same door neighbor, then pls leave him alone. he is doing a good job of posting here. (if you are him, then the advice is the same as a cure for split personality)

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Beginner, I read u post 3 times over, and am confused.

Are u implying that I am rajsingh and posting in favor of myself?

A clarification would really help me understand the context of your post...
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Beginner, I read u post 3 times over, and am confused.

Are u implying that I am rajsingh and posting in favor of myself?

A clarification would really help me understand the context of your post...
just ignore that and carry on with your good work
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Thanks,

matter clarified

A request, please no fighting in this thread...if u people want, I will open up another thread for that but let me just post here...

I am doing this because I want to give back something

I have learnt a lot from this forum.

In fact just today in the chat room seniors like Simplestuff and Oxusmorous have pointed me towards what I consider to be a very important component of my trading.

So, its just my way of giving back
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this thread deserve a star treatment...helpful to all amateurs
bravo rj!!
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i dont know who is squint eyed, but i can see whose logic is flawed.

1. if u r not RJ's same door neighbor, u would be happy to receive entire links to read more stuff and be knowledgeable. even if u despise more knowledge and dont want to read anything else that comes from other than RJ, you shouldn't be so upset, should you?

2. u wont have told me that i was taking cudgels on CV's behalf when u r doing the same on RJs (shall i say your) behalf.

why would u be upset if CV posts more links hearing my request. Hmmm...
so play it more intelligently next time.

btw, if u r not him, his alter ego or his same door neighbor, then pls leave him alone. he is doing a good job of posting here. (if you are him, then the advice is the same as a cure for split personality)
Look who is talking about intelligence.

I am certainly not RJ.

It would be a great service to this forum if you practice what you preach.
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