Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex

Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

Discuss Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources at the Trading Psychology within the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex; good resources ratan....


Go Back   Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex > METHODS & STRATEGIES > Trading Psychology

Notices

Trading Psychology Discuss the psychological aspects of trading such as fear, greed and discipline.


Advertise Here

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Sponsored Links
  #81  
Old 1st October 2007, 01:15 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: India, West Bengal, Kolkata
Posts: 990
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 44
Thanked 39 Times in 22 Posts
Appreciation: 100
biyasc will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

good resources ratan.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 1st October 2007, 01:28 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,078
Thanks: 112
Thanked 145 Times in 73 Posts
Appreciation: 204
rkkarnani has a spectacular aura aboutrkkarnani has a spectacular aura aboutrkkarnani has a spectacular aura about
Default Re: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

Came across this thread only today. Shall require time to go through the entire thread.A glimse says its an EXTRAORDINARY THREAD FOR LEARNING!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 1st October 2007, 08:15 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 895
Thanks: 2
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Appreciation: 31
ratan jain is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

How to Regain Your Trading Consistency

Brett N. Steenbarger, Ph.D.

I was a successful consistent trader who always hit singles and doubles ($1000-$3000 a day) for 48 months in a row without having a losing month (1999-2003).Then one day I struck out. I lost $38,000 in one stock and had my first losing month as a trader ever. Since then I have not had two consecutive winning months and in fact have only had a handful of profitable months since then. I am still looking for the road back to consistency. No matter how close I get I always find a way to screw it up even if it is on the last day of the month. Or I give back the month with just some silly unimportant trade that turns into a disaster. It is like I subconsciously look for these situations just so I can mess up.

This is not such an unusual scenario. One large loss can trigger a cascade of attempts to make back the money, further mistakes, and expanding losses. The key is breaking this cycle of losing money, attempting to make the money back with aggressive trades, and continuing to lose.

The first thing I'd have our trader look at is where he is placing stops and targets for his trades. Note that his successful period was 1999-2003. That was a period of much higher price volatility than we've seen since then. What constitutes "singles and doubles" in a high volatility environment is a home run trade in a slow, low-volatility market. It is entirely conceivable that our trader is placing targets too far from his entries, allowing small gains to reverse on him. Similarly, he may be letting trades get too far away from him simply because he is calibrated to a higher level of volatility.

A good way to test these hypotheses would be to study trades over the last several months. If losing trades are larger than winners on average, and if many losers start out as winners, that would suggest that our trader needs to adjust to the post 2003 environment.

To break the cycle mentioned above, the first step is to drastically reduce trading size. I would cut size to 1/4 the average at the most. The goal is to keep a little skin in the game, but take P/L (and the push to make back money) off the table temporarily. The initial objective is not to make money, but to regain a trading rhythm by getting back to singles and doubles.

The next step is to identify those singles and doubles. That means deconstructing the account statement and identifying which trades are making money and which aren't. I would break the data down into time of day, stock/index being traded, long/short, and size. I would also look to see if there are large outlier trades to the downside that are pulling down P/L, and if there are some trades that are making money consistently.

Once our trader has identified what's working, the idea is to keep position size fixed and *only* trade those setups that have been working. This is the foundation to build upon. These setups can be written down and mentally rehearsed ahead of the trading day to build consistency. The idea is to not increase size *and* not trade other patterns until consistency is achieved with smaller size and the most successful setups.

There is only one cure for trauma, and that is repeated experiences of control and safety. We want trading to be routine, not highly emotionally charged.

Finally, I would encourage our trader to take a look at how he is viewing his situation. Note above that he talks of the $38,000 loss and the silly trade that "turns into a disaster" as if these are things happening to him, not things that he is actively doing. A simple strategy would be to have the trader write down the four things he is responsible for prior to each trade:

* The Entry
* The Target(s)
* The Stop
* The Position Size

We can't control whether any individual trade will be a winner, but we can control how much we are willing to bet on each trade. Outsized losses don't happen to a trader; they are actively caused. It is harder to allow those things to occur if you're talking aloud those four trade parameters and have them written in front of you.

So there it is in a nutshell. My advice is to get small, get selective, and take responsibility for what can be controlled.
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 2nd October 2007, 12:46 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 86
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Appreciation: 20
rakamath is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

fantastic posts ratan. pl keep it up
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 19th December 2007, 11:12 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 129
Thanks: 11
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Appreciation: 20
drpsiva is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources

wonderful thread.pl continue it ratanji.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links


Reply

Bookmarks


Advertise Here


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads for: Ratan Jain's Collections from Various Resources
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Limited Resources shreyadr Technical Analysis 2 4th June 2007 01:13 PM
Reliance Natural Resources Ltd nd81 Equities 4 22nd March 2006 12:53 AM
TA--Datas--Collections---Interpretations joy_mitali Technical Analysis 12 8th March 2006 08:02 PM


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 11:11 AM.

Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice:
• By visiting Traderji.com you indicate your acceptance of our Forum Rules Disclaimer & Disclosure and indemnify Traderji.com, its associates and related parties of all claims howsoever resulting from the usage of the forum.
Disclaimer: Trading or investing in stocks & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility. Traderji.com will not be liable for any, direct or indirect, consequential or incidental damages or loss arising out of the use of this information.
Disclosure: The information in this forum is neither an offer to sell nor solicitation to buy any of the securities mentioned herein. The writers may or may not be trading in the securities mentioned.
• All names or products mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
General Content Disclaimer Notice:
In light of our policy of encouraging candid, open exchanges of views and the rapid distribution of information originating from many sources, Traderji.com cannot determine the accuracy of information that may be uploaded to the forum. Opinions, advice and all other information expressed by participants in discussions are those of the author. You rely on such information at your own risk. You are urged to seek professional advice for specific, individual situations and not rely solely on advice or opinions given in the discussions. Since Traderji.com is an open and free discussion forum, any comments made by members of this forum in their posts reflect their own views and not of the owner or administrator of Traderji.com. Thus the owner/administrator indemnify themselves of all claims whatsoever and will not be liable or responsible for any members comments/views in this forum Traderji.com. If you find any objectionable or offensive posts made by members of this forum which you would like to bring to our notice for removal then please Contact Us.
 


Copyright © 2001 - 2008, Traderji.com All Rights Reserved.

Recommended Websites - www.TradersEdgeIndia.com - www.TradingPicks.com - www.MasterOfTrading.com