Trading for a Living.

#1
Hello

In just 2 days, a New Year is coming up and as many of us have resolutions for making a new beginning or starting new projects. I am taking this opportunity for a fresh beginning in trying to trade for a Living. Obviously was not successful with many of the previous attempts, so what is the difference now, that I feel will help me?

This time around I am not having too much of expectations, its no more a do or die for me, as by now I already know that it possible to fail as a trader and have accepted that outcome before I start this new innings. What is in my hands, is the action that I have to take, the outcome or the results is beyond my control, so I will accept anything that happens, as it comes. This time around I want to completely Focus on Actions and not at all on results.

It is said that only x % of traders will succeed and 100-x % will fail, it does not matter to me if this x is 5% or 99.5% what matters is only what happens to me. If am I able to do it or not? But either way it should be OK :) I will be happy for trying to do it with Discipline. I intent not to take any pressure regarding the success or failure of this endeavor, just focus on what i need to do.

My current problem is that I am not comfortable in trading on faster time for intraday trades and also I feel for swing trading the stops seems to be very huge for my comfort, they just scare me off. Knowing myself i have to come up with some compromise on that front . . . To start with I will not look at Stock Futures, just focus on the two indices, I plan to track either Nifty or Bank Nifty. I will create and hold a swing position with 1 lot based on the current trend and then next day onward I will try to trade 1 lot for intraday in the same direction (of the swing position) with a small stop, all the while keeping the swing position intact with its own stop. For knowing the trend, I may use MA-30 Band of High & Low but I will not trade the cross or close of price above below this band but let the price settle.


Maybe I will get some guidance from the seniors for the following . . .

I have not finalized is should I start with NF or BNF. The moves on BNF look more tempting where as NF seems to be more stable.


My starting capital is 1L, I intend to increase it gradually but will not bring in extra capital on account of loss or margin call. If that happens in the initial stages then this 1L is all what i have committed for trading. If the account sees good profits then I intend to increase the corpus gradually. So the question is what can be defined as good profits, as i already mentioned I am not looking for any specific returns, but my MM plan says, no funding for loss or margin calls (reduce/cut the position instead), and increase it by 50% when the realized gains go above 20-25%. Again will be nice to get some advice / help from seniors on this aspect.


Thanks for reading . . .

Happy Trading
 
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Taiki

Well-Known Member
#3
Good luck bro,

Regards
Taiki
 
#4
Hello

A very narrow range day, with no movement on either side . . .

Meanwhile I have finalized that I will be trading BNF using 10 Minutes TF.


Today also no trade as the stop loss order for shorting BNF below LoD did not trigger


For BNF the Mode remains short, for me the trend reversal point will be 11480


Thanks for reading.
 
#5
Hello

The narrowing of intraday range continues today also, the opening range remains intact.

So again a disappointing day on personal front, no trades,
but there is no value in starting off with random trade due to itchy fingers . . .

Thanks for reading
 
#6
Hello

Missed the Breakout on BNF at opening and then just kept watching it fly, was not sure how to get in on the trade as did not get any retracement

It is very frustrating to wait for the breakout to happen for 2 days and then miss it when it actually happens :(

This must be getting to be the most boring dairy to read :)

Anyway, thanks for reading.
 

gmt900

Well-Known Member
#7
Good Luck !
I would only like to caution that intra day trading is quite dicy . While there may be traders who are successful in day trading I think for a person who wants to trade for living it will be better to keep away from day trading.
Wish you all the best.
 
#8
Hello

In just 2 days, a New Year is coming up and as many of us have resolutions for making a new beginning or starting new projects. I am taking this opportunity for a fresh beginning in trying to trade for a Living. Obviously was not successful with many of the previous attempts, so what is the difference now, that I feel will help me?

This time around I am not having too much of expectations, its no more a do or die for me, as by now I already know that it possible to fail as a trader and have accepted that outcome before I start this new innings. What is in my hands, is the action that I have to take, the outcome or the results is beyond my control, so I will accept anything that happens, as it comes. This time around I want to completely Focus on Actions and not at all on results.

It is said that only x % of traders will succeed and 100-x % will fail, it does not matter to me if this x is 5% or 99.5% what matters is only what happens to me. If am I able to do it or not? But either way it should be OK :) I will be happy for trying to do it with Discipline. I intent not to take any pressure regarding the success or failure of this endeavor, just focus on what i need to do.

My current problem is that I am not comfortable in trading on faster time for intraday trades and also I feel for swing trading the stops seems to be very huge for my comfort, they just scare me off. Knowing myself i have to come up with some compromise on that front . . . To start with I will not look at Stock Futures, just focus on the two indices, I plan to track either Nifty or Bank Nifty. I will create and hold a swing position with 1 lot based on the current trend and then next day onward I will try to trade 1 lot for intraday in the same direction (of the swing position) with a small stop, all the while keeping the swing position intact with its own stop. For knowing the trend, I may use MA-30 Band of High & Low but I will not trade the cross or close of price above below this band but let the price settle.


Maybe I will get some guidance from the seniors for the following . . .

I have not finalized is should I start with NF or BNF. The moves on BNF look more tempting where as NF seems to be more stable.


My starting capital is 1L, I intend to increase it gradually but will not bring in extra capital on account of loss or margin call. If that happens in the initial stages then this 1L is all what i have committed for trading. If the account sees good profits then I intend to increase the corpus gradually. So the question is what can be defined as good profits, as i already mentioned I am not looking for any specific returns, but my MM plan says, no funding for loss or margin calls (reduce/cut the position instead), and increase it by 50% when the realized gains go above 20-25%. Again will be nice to get some advice / help from seniors on this aspect.


Thanks for reading . . .

Happy Trading
first of all all the best to you. with 1 lakh you can do good in positional trading with 1 lot in nifty futures or a better thing to do is trade one lot of crudeoil .
because dont try to trade commodities intraday and dont try to trade nifty on a positional basis. thats my experience.

follow a breakout/ breakdown system.
 
#9
Hello

I need some help in understanding the performance of a trading system.

I have got a performance report from someone, and I need to decide if this trading system is good or not.

Although I tried to use internet and google I do not understand much about the terms used in it.

Actually worried about the winners seem very less i.e. less than even 40%,
also the report show 8 continuous losing trades one after other :(

Hopefully will get some good help from experienced traders on this forum



Thanks for reading

Happy Trading

Some more things that are not given in the report

1. This report is for trading with BNF initial one lot (25) and maximum 10 lots (250) depending money in account.
2. The starting with money is 1L, and the margin that will be kept with the broker is taken as 20%
3. Also 10 points is taken from every trade for brokerage and taxes etc, etc which is not included in profit


Thanks
 
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#10
Hello

I need some help in understanding the performance of a trading system.

I have got a performance report from someone, and I need to decide if this trading system is good or not.

Although I tried to use internet and google I do not understand much about the terms used in it.

Actually worried about the winners seem very less i.e. less than even 40%,
also the report show 8 continuous losing trades one after other :(

Hopefully will get some good help from experienced traders on this forum



Thanks for reading

Happy Trading

Some more things that are not given in the report

1. This report is for trading with BNF initial one lot (25) and maximum 10 lots (250) depending money in account.
2. The starting with money is 1L, and the margin that will be kept with the broker is taken as 20%
3. Also 10 points is taken from every trade for brokerage and taxes etc, etc which is not included in profit


Thanks

i bet you know much more than what you have written in the above post.
the rule of thumb is , any positional or even a swing system will have a profit trades of 40-50% only, because the risk : reward of such time frames is greater than 2.

if you are trying to do intraday trading, you should have a more than 60% or 70% winners because the risk:reward usually is not greater than 1.

if you dont know your choice , no one can tell u also.

trading on a daily time frame in copper ( you can say sort of swing ) i personally got 16 conscecutive losers, but at at the end of year , the ledger is positive in copper for me. means, it doesnt matter about the number of consecutive losses...shwit ( omit the w) happens....very often especially in trading....

it all finally depends on you, not on the system or any statistical information.

all the very best.
 

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