Can One ForeSee WhipSaws...?

CASPER

Well-Known Member
#1
I am looking at some Assistance from Traders on Whipsaws...,

With All your experience as Traders can you please Guide/Suggest "Is It Possible to ForeSee Whipsaws Arriving Like Tsunami.....? "

Please Note I am NOT looking at " How to Handle Whipsaws ? "

Knowledge to Foresee Whipsaws Can Be of Great Help to a Trader Isn't it ?

I did bring this Up to Couple of Seniors when we had the Chat room...., Blame My Memory cannot recollect the discussions ...:(

If Some of you are able to ForeSee/Predict Whipsaws..., Could you Kindly Explain how this is done ..This can be of Great Help/Assistance to Me and Other Traders from Making Good Profits OR Getting Saved from Huge Losses.

Thanks In Advance to All who would Post here with Suggestions On How to Foresee Whipsaws ...,

 

CASPER

Well-Known Member
#3
Try fade and fake. Anyways I suggest Trade range bars, either volume based or price based to filter noise in the market
Malhotra...,

Thank You for your post ..., Could you please elaborate on " What You meant By Try fade and fake "

Also If possible could you please post a chart for your explanation " Anyways I suggest Trade range bars, either volume based or price based to filter noise in the market"

It will definitely give a much clearer Picture.

Thanks,
NB
 
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I am looking at some Assistance from Traders on Whipsaws...,

With All your experience as Traders can you please Guide/Suggest "Is It Possible to ForeSee Whipsaws Arriving Like Tsunami.....? "

Please Note I am NOT looking at " How to Handle Whipsaws ? "

Knowledge to Foresee Whipsaws Can Be of Great Help to a Trader Isn't it ?

I did bring this Up to Couple of Seniors when we had the Chat room...., Blame My Memory cannot recollect the discussions ...:(

If Some of you are able to ForeSee/Predict Whipsaws..., Could you Kindly Explain how this is done ..This can be of Great Help/Assistance to Me and Other Traders from Making Good Profits OR Getting Saved from Huge Losses.

Thanks In Advance to All who would Post here with Suggestions On How to Foresee Whipsaws ...,

Good Question.

After crunching data for 141 years starting from 1870 cotton prices, here is my conclusion:

You can not predict whipsaws. Infact there is nothing called prediction in the market. It follows a fixed 'major' psychological pattern.

The major pattern is fixed like the current downtrend in nifty but how it travels down in a downtrend is variable which we say volatility. The road map is fixed but how it travels differs.

In a major downtrend market, i prefer to play short. In whipsaws, the mark to market stats in my account is changing..thats all. But i am not in deep loss or in deep gain in whipsaws. Simply the numbers in my account are changing.

Why traders loose in whipsaws?

The number 1 reason is they want to take very trade. This is possible if you can time the market 'perfectly' but it is impossible to time the market perfectly. If traders learn to go after 'quality points', they will be highly profitable.

Over a period of time with practice, they can even pile on leverage to trade quality points. 'Quality points' is very important, not the quantity of points.

So you can not predict whipsaws. You have to absorb them, not to trade them. Absorb them while you are playing in the favour of major trend. Sooner or later, the market will travel in the major trend.

Practice, Practice, Practice. The brain rewire itself after lots of practice and a trader gets very comfortable with whipsaws or drawdowns just like doctor gets comfortable with blood. I personally believe 1000 hours of repeated practice can make anyone a great profitable trader.

How can one predict what is is going to happen the next moment? It is impossible. No one can do it. The cricket batsmen is 'reactive'. You bowl at him and within milliseconds, the neocortex and cerebellum in his brain scan patterns and sends signals through spine cord to play a short.

Chess grandmasters are 'reactive'. They have memorized 1 lakh patterns in their long term memory through years of repeated practice. Within milliseconds, the brain scans the patterns and give them a possible move. They are not predicting what the next move of opponent will be.

This is the greatest transformation i did of myself as a trader through lots of practice. I went from prediction to reaction. In a major downtrend, i have learned and still learning to be able to recognize whipsaws and temporary bounce back but not to trade them.
 

jlmalhotra

Active Member
#6
Fake When the volume is moving down and MFI also moves down. This means market is making a progressive move without the real push. This is where floor traders come into picture and trigger stoplosses


Fade This tells a big move about to happen. do not have much idea apart from again falling volumes and fallinig MFI what goes in making of a fade.

These bars are supposed read in combination with indicators like AO and AC. also use slow stoch and rsi.

Moreover 1 needs to get data in tick format to read these signals.

Range Bars

Price based

Pkots a bar when a trading range gets completed. For example if you use Rs 3 as your trading range , it will complete a bar only when difference between High and low is Rs 3.00

in a day if a stock A has a trading range of say Rs 20.00 (diff between Hi and Lo) maximum bars you will get in a day is 10 depending upon volatility.
Price range bars ensures small losses. say Rs 4.5 -Rs 5 on a Rs 3 range bar

Price range bars can also help you trade the bottoms and the highs using MFI


Volume based Range bars

A bar gets completed aonly after a specific amount of shares atre traded. For example if the range is set to 20000 shares . , the bar will be completed only when 20000 shares has been traded in the market. This helps you see the block trades in the market . a lot of 300000 of 10 lac shares will also show in the chart . Volume based charts eliminate whipsaes ans and show clear support and resistance levels in a chart


Personally i prefer to trade volume based range bars



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