Understanding Markets - Beyond TA

If enough people are interested we can look at truly profitable TA ideas. Examples of this being anticipating increases in IV and congestion breakout failures which will continue to work in the foreseeable future.

Guys, a question to get the brain cells ticking.

For scalpers : when you see an opportunity for quick entry on short TF charts, who do you think is quicker. You or a multi million dollar HFT colocated at the exchange?

Well, nothing smells ( at least therotically) of profits as much as stat arb. How many human arbitrageurs do you think make a comfortable living these days?

All I am saying in this thread is that the market structure and participants have changed so much that classical TA may not really help you. Its no use trying to trade a market the way it looked 10 years ago.

If enough people are interested we can look at truly profitable ideas based on TA like concepts (Price and volume). Examples of this being anticpating increases in IV and congestion breakout failures which will continue to work in the foreseeable future. The reason behind both of these still working is ..... Ka ching ! Thats right , if a large number of liquidity consuming HFTs start playing then ...... Yummy, tons of money if you understand this concept. BTW, HFTs dont give a fc*k about your S&R or MAs but they do love.... well thats for another time. BTW, you should really try understanding these new trading idiot boxes since they constitue over 50% of volume in many markets.

BTW, for people who love TA please do yourselves a favor and go visit the nearest trading floor. You will see why classical TA wont cut it for the most part.

Food for thought - very few large trading firms lose money these days - wonder why

Yes.........please revive this thread.

Yes.........please revive this thread.

Guys, a question to get the brain cells ticking.

For scalpers : when you see an opportunity for quick entry on short TF charts, who do you think is quicker. You or a multi million dollar HFT colocated at the exchange?

Well, nothing smells ( at least therotically) of profits as much as stat arb. How many human arbitrageurs do you think make a comfortable living these days?

All I am saying in this thread is that the market structure and participants have changed so much that classical TA may not really help you. Its no use trying to trade a market the way it looked 10 years ago.

If enough people are interested we can look at truly profitable ideas based on TA like concepts (Price and volume). Examples of this being anticpating increases in IV and congestion breakout failures which will continue to work in the foreseeable future. The reason behind both of these still working is ..... Ka ching ! Thats right , if a large number of liquidity consuming HFTs start playing then ...... Yummy, tons of money if you understand this concept. BTW, HFTs dont give a fc*k about your S&R or MAs but they do love.... well thats for another time. BTW, you should really try understanding these new trading idiot boxes since they constitue over 50% of volume in many markets.

BTW, for people who love TA please do yourselves a favor and go visit the nearest trading floor. You will see why classical TA wont cut it for the most part.

Food for thought - very few large trading firms lose money these days - wonder why

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Since some interest is there & some complex questions r asked in this thread i try to answer using my observation.
1] Always other side is superior.
2] Stat arbitrage can always make money
3] classical TA never makes money, nor yesterday nor 10yr back.
we use TA to understand biases of strong money, personal bias(confidence to take a trade instead of random entry)MA to utilise TREND.
Smart BIG money can do whatever they like, unless against another similar big size fund playing in opp direction.
Individual loses because of this ,and should not play against them.
At normal resistance ,when collectively individual as a mob , creating more greed driven money with bigger strength can win over normal mutual funds,
So a trader must join to potential winning side-as aim is make money.
4] Any normal trader will lose , if stay in market when no opportunity exists.
All modern HFT/stat arb. normally make money ,due to less emotion,and best available brain planned it it Past condition.That does not mean they work in new futuristic condition.Its not infallible,-but workable and adaptable ,because some best brains plan it.
But if its medeocre , then its worst than av successful trader.
(if a normal researcher/trade entry player/quant get them/decipher it for personal benefit its ok( we know famous theft case)- but selling must be by a suitedbooted snake oil vendor.
Thats all