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Old 17th August 2005, 11:58 PM
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Volume is an important Factor in Breakouts. Just to refesh....

Generally, volume follows trend, that is in a rising trend volume should expand on rallies and contract on declines. In falling trends volume should expand on declines and contract on rallies.

When volume contracts after an extended rally, or expands sharply after an extended decline a dramatic reversal will normally transpire.

Volume and volatility contract in consolidation patterns because investors cannot reach consensus, they are undecided.

Volume should expand significantly for upside breakouts. If volume does not expand the breakout is considered illegitimate.

Volume may not expand for a downside breakout because falling share prices cause demoralization and inactivity among stockholders. During such circumstances, fewer shares are required to drive prices lower

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do we need to change the forumla for Consolidation Breakout Downside too?
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do we need to change the forumla for Consolidation Breakout Downside too?
Yes...do change the formula for downside breakout also. Changed Formula given below for ready reference.

Consolidation Breakout Downside
If(Ref(Fml("Congestion Index"),-5),<,15{%},
{and} If(Fml("Congestion Index"),>=,15{%},
{and} If(CLOSE,<,Ref(LLV(C,40),-5),
{and} If(Mov(V,5,S),>=,1.5*(Ref(Mov(V,40,S),-5)),+1,0),0),0),0)

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when you say Volume should expand significantly for upside breakouts, how much increase in volume is significant?
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when you say Volume should expand significantly for upside breakouts, how much increase in volume is significant?
Very good question !! Unfortunately there is no proper answers to it.

It depends of the stock, market and your own experience

Normally 50% increase above 60 day moving average is considered good enough for breakout on the upside. However the larger the voulme expansion the stronger the breakout. The formula considers 50% increase above the 40 day MOV of the volume. Try playing with the figures in the formula...I always do that....It gives many new insights..

Also check out the OBV Indicator along with the Breakout indicator. During breakout the OBV should also expand...

Happy Experimenting


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what do you mean by "OBV should also expand..." ?
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what do you mean by "OBV should also expand..." ?
I mean that the OBV indicator will also show marked increase. I am enclosing the same D-LINK chart including the OBV indicator. Note the sharp increase in volume and the OBV indicator.


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Did you notice the latest breakout - BASF. Volume jumped from an average of 20000 to 150000. Let us see if it holds. Chart enclosed.

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looks like OBV indicator is the same as the stock price right?
ie. when stock price move up OBV move up if stock price move down OBV move down.
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looks like OBV indicator is the same as the stock price right?
ie. when stock price move up OBV move up if stock price move down OBV move down.
But the OBV Indicator has the volume also factored into it. The idea behind the OBV indicator is that the volume precedes price. Changes in the OBV precedes price changes.

OBV is calculated by adding the day's volume to a running cumulative total when the security's price closes up, and subtracts the volume when it closes down

Rising OBV indicates smart money flowing into the stock. Then when the public also follow suit the price increases further.
A rising OBV line along with rising prices indicate strong uptrend. So the OBV line can used for confirmation of a Trend.

At the same time if the volumes drops and the prices moving up indicates weakness in the trend. So divergence between the price and OBV will indicate weakness of the trend.

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