Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex

Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Discuss Thomas DeMark Sequential System at the Technical Analysis within the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex; Originally Posted by Apurv7164 Here is one more method I found in one of the ...


Go Back   Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex > METHODS & STRATEGIES > Technical Analysis


Technical Analysis Discussion of all the principles involved in technical analysis.


Advertise Here

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #101  
Old 17th August 2008, 12:36 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Tirunelveli
Posts: 433
Thanks: 204
Thanked 128 Times in 87 Posts
sikandar will become famous soon enoughsikandar will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System


Quote:
Originally Posted by Apurv7164 View Post
Here is one more method I found in one of the article from TA magazine..... Your thoghts please???

DeMark variation (The TRADING Systems Lab):

Rules:
1. Prepare to go long today if
a. the true high from four days ago is higher than the high from either two, three or five days ago, and
b. yesterday’s close is lower than the close two days ago, and
c. today’s open is lower than the high four days ago.

2. Prepare to go short today if
a. the true low from four days ago is lower than the low from either two, three or five days ago, and
b. yesterday’s close is higher than the close two days ago, and
c. today’s open is higher than the low four days ago

3. Go long today with a stop order at the true high of four days ago, plus 0.1 percent.

4. Go short today with a stop order at the true low of four days ago, minus 0.1 percent.

5. Risk 2 percent of available equity per trade.

6. Exit all trades with a loss if the market moves against the position by 4 percent or more.

7. Exit all trades with a profit if the market moves in favor of the position by 12 percent or more.

8. Exit all trades after five days, counting the day for the entry as day one, and no matter how late in the day the trade was made (i.e., a trade executed at 2:50 p.m. on Monday would be exited Friday the same week).
Looks interesting ,Can it be coded
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #102  
Old 17th August 2008, 01:18 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 228
Thanks: 89
Thanked 176 Times in 85 Posts
joy.edakad has a spectacular aura aboutjoy.edakad has a spectacular aura about
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apurv7164 View Post
Here is one more method I found in one of the article from TA magazine..... Your thoghts please???

DeMark variation (The TRADING Systems Lab):

Rules:
1. Prepare to go long today if
a. the true high from four days ago is higher than the high from either two, .......
Hi,

Can someone tell me what is "true high"

Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 17th August 2008, 02:32 PM
Smart_trade's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the internet
Posts: 2,854
Thanks: 1,131
Thanked 7,322 Times in 1,929 Posts
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by joy.edakad View Post
Hi,

Can someone tell me what is "true high"

Thanks
True high is a high of the bar or the close of earlier bar whichever is higher and true low is low of the bar or the close earlier bar whichever is lower.

Smart _trade
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Smart_trade For This Useful Post:
joy.edakad (17th August 2008)
  #104  
Old 17th August 2008, 03:32 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 633
Thanks: 115
Thanked 453 Times in 153 Posts
kenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of light
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

_SECTION_BEGIN("DeMark variation");
SetChartBkGradientFill( ParamColor("BgTop", colorLavender),ParamColor("BgBottom", colorBlack));
/*DeMark variation (The TRADING Systems Lab):

Buy set UP for tomorrow
*/
_SECTION_BEGIN("Price");
SetChartBkGradientFill( ParamColor("BgTop", colorLavender),ParamColor("BgBottom", colorBlack));
SetChartOptions(0,chartShowArrows|chartShowDates);
Title = Name() +" "+" (" + StrLeft(FullName(), 10) +")"+ " "+ EncodeColor(colorBlue) + " DeMark Variation " + " "+Interval( format = 2 ) + Date()
+ "\n" + " Price: " + C + " O: " + O + " H: " + H + " L: " + L + "\Vol: " +WriteVal( V, 1.0 ) + EncodeColor( colorRed ) + " " + EncodeColor( colorBrown ) +" Change"+ WriteVal(ROC( Close, 1) ) + "%"
;

_SECTION_END();
Buy =Ref(H,-4) > (Ref(H,-2) AND Ref(H,-3) AND Ref(H,-5))AND Ref(C,-1)<Ref(C,-2) AND O<Ref(H,-4 );
//Sell set UP for tomorrow

Sell= Ref(L,-4)<(Ref(L,-2) AND Ref(L,-3) AND Ref(L,-5))AND Ref(C,-1)>Ref(C,-2) AND O>Ref(L,-4 );
_SECTION_BEGIN("4daybreakouts");
Filter=Buy OR Sell;
//AddTextColumn(FullName(), "Company Name");
AddColumn(C, "Close", 1.3,IIf(C > BBandTop( C, 20, 2 ), colorRed, colorGreen)); ;
AddColumn(Buy, "Buy setup", 1);
AddColumn(HHV(H,4)+HHV(H,4)*.001,"Buyabove");
//AddColumn(Sell, "sell", 1);
//AddColumn(LLV(L,4)-LLV(L,4)*.01, "SellBelow", 1);
AddColumn(HHV(H,4)+HHV(H,4)*.13,"Profit target");
AddColumn(V,"Vol",1, IIf(V > Ref(V,-1), colorGreen, colorRed));
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to kenneth For This Useful Post:
Apurv7164 (17th August 2008), chintan786 (17th August 2008), HBBHVN (6th September 2008), joy.edakad (17th August 2008)
  #105  
Old 17th August 2008, 08:55 PM
Smart_trade's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the internet
Posts: 2,854
Thanks: 1,131
Thanked 7,322 Times in 1,929 Posts
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apurv7164 View Post
Thanks Smart_trade! I don't mind posting other discussion points here..... I have no interest in starting new thread.... I was just wondering what would be better from maintainability point of view... Anyways, so here are couple of points from Sir TD's articles....

1.
Absolute retracements - this is the derivative in use of Fib. As per TD, we should use Fib ratio percent directly to current or relative price rather than move...

How most of us use it:
for a market that rallied from 40 to 60, the 38.2-percent retracement level would be calculated by multiplying the price move (20 points) times the ratio (.382) and subtracting the result (7.64) from the high (60 - 7.64 = 52.36).

TD's method for it:
Multiplying a high close of 60 by the 61.8 percent downside ratio would result in a support target of 37.08. This “absolute” approach removes the subjectivity normally associated with selecting price moves and applying Fibonacci ratios.

2.
Break out qualifiers:
First, in terms of upside breakouts, there should be a down close the day before the breakout. TD has also experimented with a close less than the open.

The second qualifier is an open above the trend line and above the previous day’s close, because in a situation where you might have a very steep down trend line the market could open above the trend line, but not above the previous day’s close, and trade one or two ticks higher. The move above the previous day’s close confirms the move. Also, for these confirmations, the open can never be the high — for an upside breakout.

3.
Moving Averages from TD's point of View:
TD uses the concept of moving averages. For example, He’ll start the process when there’s a high lower than the prior 12 highs — that’s when we knows the market is in a downtrend; the opposite would be true for an uptrend. At that point, we’ll begin calculating a five-day moving average of the highs. If the market closes above the moving average and opens above that close the next day, that constitutes an upside breakout. But the moving average is only active four days, unless the market makes another high that’s lower than the prior 12 highs. Basically, the market has to provide evidence it’s in a trend — a high lower than the prior 12 highs or a low higher than the prior 12 lows — before I’ll apply the moving average. And when that prerequisite is no longer in effect, the moving average is cancelled.

Has anyone tried all these derivatives of basic technical analysis on Indian market and stocks???? I tried to do some research on Absolute Retracement but could not find any convincing results....

I have used DeMarks trendline research,qualifiers and the target calculation in my own trading with very good results.I have also used sequential,Combo and the Oscillator research with good success.The things I could not get proper handle on are retracement,daily range projection,and small systems like TD carrie,TD trap,TD Mehan etc they did not work in very precise manner.

TD Point reversal,TD Double TD Point,TD Camoflage etc work pretty well in our mkts.

Trade well,

Smart_trade

Last edited by Smart_trade; 17th August 2008 at 09:17 PM. Reason: Typo error
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Smart_trade For This Useful Post:
joy.edakad (17th August 2008)
  #106  
Old 17th August 2008, 09:50 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Macon, Georgia, USA
Posts: 198
Thanks: 208
Thanked 233 Times in 105 Posts
Apurv7164 is a jewel in the roughApurv7164 is a jewel in the roughApurv7164 is a jewel in the rough
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
_SECTION_BEGIN("DeMark variation");
SetChartBkGradientFill( ParamColor("BgTop", colorLavender),ParamColor("BgBottom", colorBlack));
/*DeMark variation (The TRADING Systems Lab):

Buy set UP for tomorrow
*/
_SECTION_BEGIN("Price");
SetChartBkGradientFill( ParamColor("BgTop", colorLavender),ParamColor("BgBottom", colorBlack));
SetChartOptions(0,chartShowArrows|chartShowDates);
Title = Name() +" "+" (" + StrLeft(FullName(), 10) +")"+ " "+ EncodeColor(colorBlue) + " DeMark Variation " + " "+Interval( format = 2 ) + Date()
+ "\n" + " Price: " + C + " O: " + O + " H: " + H + " L: " + L + "\Vol: " +WriteVal( V, 1.0 ) + EncodeColor( colorRed ) + " " + EncodeColor( colorBrown ) +" Change"+ WriteVal(ROC( Close, 1) ) + "%"
;

_SECTION_END();
Buy =Ref(H,-4) > (Ref(H,-2) AND Ref(H,-3) AND Ref(H,-5))AND Ref(C,-1)<Ref(C,-2) AND O<Ref(H,-4 );
//Sell set UP for tomorrow

Sell= Ref(L,-4)<(Ref(L,-2) AND Ref(L,-3) AND Ref(L,-5))AND Ref(C,-1)>Ref(C,-2) AND O>Ref(L,-4 );
_SECTION_BEGIN("4daybreakouts");
Filter=Buy OR Sell;
//AddTextColumn(FullName(), "Company Name");
AddColumn(C, "Close", 1.3,IIf(C > BBandTop( C, 20, 2 ), colorRed, colorGreen)); ;
AddColumn(Buy, "Buy setup", 1);
AddColumn(HHV(H,4)+HHV(H,4)*.001,"Buyabove");
//AddColumn(Sell, "sell", 1);
//AddColumn(LLV(L,4)-LLV(L,4)*.01, "SellBelow", 1);
AddColumn(HHV(H,4)+HHV(H,4)*.13,"Profit target");
AddColumn(V,"Vol",1, IIf(V > Ref(V,-1), colorGreen, colorRed));
Thanks a ton! Ken,
You are true asset to the group. Last night I posted this before going to bed and what I'm seeing in the morning is ready AFL.... This was really something like angel for me

I have just ran scan on this.... not sure what we gonna get (I mean if we gonna get any trading oppertunity, please don't take it as I doubt on ur AFL..)... I'll update you guys if I come accross something interesting....
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 17th August 2008, 10:51 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 228
Thanks: 89
Thanked 176 Times in 85 Posts
joy.edakad has a spectacular aura aboutjoy.edakad has a spectacular aura about
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smart_trade View Post
I have used DeMarks trendline research,qualifiers and the target calculation in my own trading with very good results.I have also used sequential,Combo and the Oscillator research with good success.The things I could not get proper handle on are retracement,daily range projection,and small systems like TD carrie,TD trap,TD Mehan etc they did not work in very precise manner.

TD Point reversal,TD Double TD Point,TD Camoflage etc work pretty well in our mkts.

Trade well,

Smart_trade
Hi, Smart Trade,

I came across Demark's book "The New Science of Technical Analysis" recently and back tested TD trend line method manually. (of course with charting software, but not with programing.) Sure, it is promising but not used in real trading. I have to research more before I start trading with TD trend lines. I am glad to know u used it successfully with good results. Thanks a lot for sharing ur views and results.

Regards
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 17th August 2008, 11:01 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 633
Thanks: 115
Thanked 453 Times in 153 Posts
kenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of lightkenneth is a glorious beacon of light
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Hi Apurv,

I am not an expert. Hope the ALF as per the conditions on your post. May be you add the following for exploration and see the percentage loss for the last three days.

AddColumn(ROC( Close, 3),"3 days Change%");

Regards
Ken
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 17th August 2008, 11:15 PM
Smart_trade's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the internet
Posts: 2,854
Thanks: 1,131
Thanked 7,322 Times in 1,929 Posts
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by joy.edakad View Post
Hi, Smart Trade,

I came across Demark's book "The New Science of Technical Analysis" recently and back tested TD trend line method manually. (of course with charting software, but not with programing.) Sure, it is promising but not used in real trading. I have to research more before I start trading with TD trend lines. I am glad to know u used it successfully with good results. Thanks a lot for sharing ur views and results.

Regards
Hi Joy,

DeMark's second book "New Commodities Timing Methods " give much better coverage on his systems like Sequential,Combo,Oscillators Etc.This is the best book of the three he has written so far.

Trade Well,Best Wishes,

Smart_trade
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Smart_trade For This Useful Post:
joy.edakad (17th August 2008)
  #110  
Old 17th August 2008, 11:20 PM
Smart_trade's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the internet
Posts: 2,854
Thanks: 1,131
Thanked 7,322 Times in 1,929 Posts
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Smart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond reputeSmart_trade has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Thomas DeMark Sequential System

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenneth View Post
Hi Apurv,

I am not an expert. Hope the ALF as per the conditions on your post. May be you add the following for exploration and see the percentage loss for the last three days.

AddColumn(ROC( Close, 3),"3 days Change%");

Regards
Ken
Great work Keneth,

I do not understand the coding or programming at all but I am sure your AFL will help traders who have inclination and understanding for computerised trading systems.Keep it up !!!

Regards,Trade Well !!!

Smart _Trade


Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Advertise Here


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 03:52 AM.

Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice:
• By visiting Traderji.com you automatically indicate that you agree to our Forum Rules, Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice and General Content Disclaimer Notice and indemnify Traderji.com, its associates and related parties of all claims howsoever resulting from the usage of the forum/site.
Disclaimer: Trading or investing in stocks & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility. You are recommended to make appropriate enquiries and seek appropriate advise before sending money, incurring any expenses, acting on recommendations or entering into any commitment in relation to any advertisement published here. Traderji.com does not vouch for any claims made by the advertisers of products and services. Traderji.com will not be held liable for any consequences in the event such claims are not honoured by the advertisers. Traderji.com will not be liable for any, direct or indirect, consequential or incidental damages or loss arising out of the use of any information by anybody mentioned anywhere on this site.
Disclosure: The information in this forum is neither an offer to sell nor solicitation to buy any of the securities mentioned herein. The writers may or may not be trading in the securities mentioned.
• All names or products mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
General Content Disclaimer Notice:
In light of our policy of encouraging candid, open exchanges of views and the rapid distribution of information originating from many sources, Traderji.com cannot determine the accuracy of information that may be uploaded to the forum. Opinions, advice and all other information expressed by participants in discussions are those of the author. You rely on such information at your own risk. You are urged to seek professional advice for specific, individual situations and not rely solely on advice or opinions given in the discussions. Since Traderji.com is an open and free discussion forum, any comments made by members of this forum in their posts reflect their own views and not of the owner or administrator of Traderji.com. Thus the owner/administrator indemnify themselves of all claims whatsoever and will not be liable or responsible for any members comments/views in this forum Traderji.com. If you find any objectionable or offensive posts made by members of this forum which you would like to bring to our notice for removal then please Contact Us.
 


Copyright © 2001 - 2010, Traderji.com All Rights Reserved.

Recommended Websites - www.TradersEdgeIndia.com - www.TradingPicks.com - www.MasterOfTrading.com