Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex

Trade SMART

Discuss Trade SMART at the Technical Analysis within the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex; Originally Posted by SMART_Trader SMART(Significant Move Analysis Related Trades) is an absolute strength based system. ...


Go Back   Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex > METHODS & STRATEGIES > Technical Analysis

Notices

Technical Analysis Discussion of all the principles involved in technical analysis.


Advertise Here

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Sponsored Links
  #171  
Old 24th May 2008, 10:40 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts
nick721156 is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 25
Default Re: Trade SMART

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMART_Trader View Post
SMART(Significant Move Analysis Related Trades) is an absolute strength based system. Stocks that have moved significantly over the past one year only is considered for trade. Stocks appreciated more than 100% during the past one year makes the trading universe.

The trick is to enter these stocks on a 4% plus breakout after a consolidation. if the entry is successful, we can catch the start of a new uptrend.So we are looking for yearly growth of 100% plus , 10 to 20 day weakness or consolidation, and a 4% plus high volume breakout.


Position sizing: use 10 % of the capital on a single trade and never lose more than 10% inclusive of brokerage on any trade. Never Lose more than 1% of your capital on any trade

Stops: Initial stop is pre breakout days low .Time stop of 5 days.( If the price is not going up above the entry price within 5 days , just get out).if Price appreciates more than 10% trail with 2 days low stop.

If you find too many stocks in breakout list use these to short list.

A) Prefer a smooth chart.
B) Closeness to year high is good
C) Prefer the one with high volume
D) Absence of recent 4% downward breakout is good
E) Preference for first breakout after consolidation
F) Small capital base
G) Institutional holding
H) Sector with high relative strength
I) Clear catalysts like

" Result announcement
" Bonus/Split announcement
* Sales Acceleration
* New Orders
* New Product
* Regulatory Policy Change etc.

Trading is all about probabilities, never certainties.If you are familiar with some patterns or other indicators which can turn the odds in your favor , use it. I will be posting the breakout list regularly.short list and trade at your own risk.
Dear friend,

I am not an expert in trading nor do I know alot about TA. I am trying to learn from knowledgeable people like you. Fortunately, today only I have discovered your thread and gone through some pages. But at the beginning itself one thing is not clear to me.

You have said, "Stocks that have moved significantly over the past one year only is considered for trade. Stocks appreciated more than 100% during the past one year makes the trading universe.
The trick is to enter these stocks on a 4% plus breakout after a consolidation. if the entry is successful, we can catch the start of a new uptrend.So we are looking for yearly growth of 100% plus , 10 to 20 day weakness or consolidation, and a 4% plus high volume breakout."

I have checked with one of the charts, "Bluebird" that you have indicated in the break out list. What I can't understand is that on 25/05/07, its closing was 70.45 and after 01 year i.e. on 23/05/08, its closing is 45.75. It shows that the stock has not moved up in last 01 year. Even during the year, its highest closing was 89.05. Of course, on 23.05.08, it had moved more than 4% break out with high volume.

Therefore, if we go by your trading system, "Bluebird" does not qualify to be considered in the break out list.

Please clarify my understanding of your system.

With regards,

Nick
Reply With Quote
  #172  
Old 24th May 2008, 11:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Dear Nick
You are correct.Blue bird has not gone up 100 % in one year.
After the crash , very few shares qualify in the original scan which I call "Momentum Plus"
I have modified the scans to accommodate shares that are bouncing back. These are 65 and 135 day momentum trades called "Early Birds".More information can be find on my blog.

Scans are not at all important. Concept is. We are entering a high momentum stock on a breakout after a minor consolidation or weakness,hoping the stock will continue the up trend .Longer term momentum is preferred as short term momentum can mean revert.
Reply With Quote
  #173  
Old 25th May 2008, 10:36 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts
nick721156 is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 25
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMART_Trader View Post
Dear Nick
You are correct. Blue bird has not gone up 100 % in one year.
After the crash , very few shares qualify in the original scan which I call "Momentum Plus"
I have modified the scans to accommodate shares that are bouncing back. These are 65 and 135 day momentum trades called "Early Birds".More information can be find on my blog.

Scans are not at all important. Concept is. We are entering a high momentum stock on a breakout after a minor consolidation or weakness,hoping the stock will continue the up trend .Longer term momentum is preferred as short term momentum can mean revert.

dear friend,

thanks for your prompt reply. i could find 65 & 135 day early birds in the XL sheet. is there any reason for choosing 65 and 135 days for scanning? again, once we recognise a breakout, when to enter it - i mean at the closing price on that day or at the current price the moment breakout is identified?

regards,

nick

Last edited by nick721156; 25th May 2008 at 10:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #174  
Old 25th May 2008, 10:59 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick721156 View Post
dear friend,

thanks for your prompt reply. i could find 65 & 135 day early birds in the XL sheet. is there any reason for choosing 65 and 135 days for scanning?

regards,

nick
No special relevance to 135 and 65 days.Calendar half year is approximately 135 trading days and a quarter around 65 trading days.Brought down the momentum time frame from year to half year and quarter.select the ones with higher price appreciation in the time frames.

Please note that the appreciation is calculated from the lowest low price of the time frame period
Dont worry much about the exact scans . Logical concept is more important.need not perfect the system to the 10th degree of perfection and sophistication.Trade the concept
Reply With Quote
  #175  
Old 25th May 2008, 11:29 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Nick

Most of the shares consolidates and starts moving sideways after going up 20-25 % from breakout days low.If you can watch the market during trading hours enter on the day of the breakout.Otherwise enter next day open.Get out if there is no follow through within a reasonable time say 5-10 days. sells if it falls to the breakout days low. Stock selection is the key.
Look for trending stocks . let it consolidate and show a minor weakness. Enter on the next high volume significant up move .If this is the beginning of a new up leg you will make money , otherwise cut your loss short and move to the next trade.Purely a probability game.Trade the concept. you can use different tools and tactics.
Reply With Quote
  #176  
Old 26th May 2008, 08:32 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Breakout 26/05/2008

EICHERMOT

More Breakouts

Further Deterioration in broad market conditions.Stay out.
FII net selling at Rs 500.50 Crores.
Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 27th May 2008, 08:48 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Breakout 27/05/2008

ABAN

More Breakouts

Broad market worsened.Stay out
FII net sellers at Rs 1115 Crores.
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 27th May 2008, 09:27 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts
nick721156 is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 25
Default Re: Trade SMART

Quote:
Originally Posted by SMART_Trader View Post
Nick

Most of the shares consolidates and starts moving sideways after going up 20-25 % from breakout days low.If you can watch the market during trading hours enter on the day of the breakout.Otherwise enter next day open.Get out if there is no follow through within a reasonable time say 5-10 days. sells if it falls to the breakout days low. Stock selection is the key.
Look for trending stocks . let it consolidate and show a minor weakness. Enter on the next high volume significant up move .If this is the beginning of a new up leg you will make money , otherwise cut your loss short and move to the next trade.Purely a probability game.Trade the concept. you can use different tools and tactics.

thanks friend for your simple explanation. will try to follow the concept as suggested.

regards,

nick
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 28th May 2008, 08:38 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Breakouts 28/05/2008

TATASTEEL

GESHIP

More Breakouts.

Market condition not favourable.
FII net selling Rs 354.20 Crores.
Reply With Quote
  #180  
Old 29th May 2008, 07:57 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trichur,Kerala
Posts: 165
Thanks: 4
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
SMART_Trader is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 24
Default Re: Trade SMART

Breakouts 29/05/2008

LUPIN

IFCI

More Breakouts

Stay out. Further deterioration in market condition
Net FII selling at Rs 733.90 Crores
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Reply

Bookmarks


Advertise Here


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 12:20 PM.

Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice:
• By visiting Traderji.com you indicate your acceptance of our Forum Rules Disclaimer & Disclosure and indemnify Traderji.com, its associates and related parties of all claims howsoever resulting from the usage of the forum.
Disclaimer: Trading or investing in stocks & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility. Traderji.com will not be liable for any, direct or indirect, consequential or incidental damages or loss arising out of the use of this information.
Disclosure: The information in this forum is neither an offer to sell nor solicitation to buy any of the securities mentioned herein. The writers may or may not be trading in the securities mentioned.
• All names or products mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
General Content Disclaimer Notice:
In light of our policy of encouraging candid, open exchanges of views and the rapid distribution of information originating from many sources, Traderji.com cannot determine the accuracy of information that may be uploaded to the forum. Opinions, advice and all other information expressed by participants in discussions are those of the author. You rely on such information at your own risk. You are urged to seek professional advice for specific, individual situations and not rely solely on advice or opinions given in the discussions. Since Traderji.com is an open and free discussion forum, any comments made by members of this forum in their posts reflect their own views and not of the owner or administrator of Traderji.com. Thus the owner/administrator indemnify themselves of all claims whatsoever and will not be liable or responsible for any members comments/views in this forum Traderji.com. If you find any objectionable or offensive posts made by members of this forum which you would like to bring to our notice for removal then please Contact Us.
 


Copyright © 2001 - 2008, Traderji.com All Rights Reserved.

Recommended Websites - www.TradersEdgeIndia.com - www.TradingPicks.com - www.MasterOfTrading.com