The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Discuss The ADX(Average Directional movement index) at the Technical Analysis within the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex; This portion is from stockcharts:- J. Welles Wilder developed the Average Directional Index (ADX) in ...


Go Back   Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex > METHODS & STRATEGIES > Technical Analysis
Register Blogs FAQ Chat Room [2] Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Technical Analysis Discussion of all the principles involved in technical analysis.


Welcome to the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features.

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please read the FAQ.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Sponsored Links
  #1  
Old 30th January 2005, 12:01 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 742
sh50 is on a distinguished road
Default The ADX(Average Directional movement index)



This portion is from stockcharts:-

J. Welles Wilder developed the Average Directional Index (ADX) in order to evaluate the strength of the current trend, be it up or down. It's important to detemine whether the market is trending or trading (moving sideways), because certain indicators give more useful results depending on the market doing one or the other.
ADX is an oscillator that fluctuates between 0 and 100. Even though the scale is from 0 to 100, readings above 60 are relatively rare. Low readings, below 20, indicate a weak trend and high readings, above 40, indicate a strong trend. The indicator does not grade the trend as bullish or bearish, but merely assesses the strength of the current trend. A reading above 40 can indicate a strong downtrend as well as a strong uptrend.
ADX can also be used to identify potential changes in a market from trending to non-trending. When ADX begins to strengthen from below 20 and/or moves above 20, it is a sign that the trading range is ending and a trend could be developing

ADX is derived from two other indicators, also developed by Wilder, called the Positive Directional Indicator (sometimes written +DI) and the Negative Directional Indicator (-DI).
When the ADX Indicator is selected, SharpCharts plots the Positive Directional Indicator (+DI), Negative Directional Indicator (-DI) and Average Directional Index (ADX). With the Red, White and Green color scheme on SharpCharts, ADX is the thick black line with less fluctuation, +DI is green and -DI is red. +DI measures the force of the up moves and -DI measures the force of the down moves over a set period. The default setting is 14 periods, but users are encouraged to modify these settings according to their personal preferences.
In its most basic form, buy and sell signals can be generated by +DI/-DI crosses. A buy signal occurs when +DI moves above -DI and a sell signal when -DI moves above the +DI. Be careful, though; when a security is in a trading range, this system may produce many whipsaws. As with most technical indicators, +DI/-DI crosses should be used in conjunction with other aspects of technical analysis.
ADX combines +DI with -DI and then smooths the data with a moving average to provide a measurement of trend strength. Because it uses both +DI and -DI, ADX does not offer any indication of trend direction, just strength. Generally, readings above 40 indicate a strong trend and readings below 20 a weak trend. To catch a trend in its early stages, you might look for stocks with ADX that advances above 20. Conversely, an ADX decline from above 40 might signal that the current trend is weakening and a trading range may develop.

In my view, ADX is well explained in Alexander Elder’s book “Trading for a living”

The latest book by Ashwini Gujral("How to make money trading derivatives) also has a comprehensive table on what all to do when ADX < 20, ADX 15-25,ADX > 30, ADX>=45 and ADX declining below 30. I have not seen Adx explained so specifically anywhere else.
This is also interesting by some other author

The Extreme Point Rule
Identify a trigger point at the extreme price on the bar the lines cross. If it's a bullish crossing (+DI cross above -DI), you would wait for the price to rise above this extreme price (the high price on the day the lines crossed) on a subsequent bar. If it's a bearish crossing (+DI crosses below -DI), the extreme point is defined as the low price on the bar the lines cross. You would then wait for price to break below this extreme price on a subsequent bar before entering into a short position.

Since trending and oscilatting is all what we track, I would request traderji or other senior member to cover indicators like Aroon, CMO, CCI etcetc. Some books give the impression that they are mere substitutes. If they are for specific situations, kindly let us know.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 30th January 2005, 12:34 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 584
jaideep is on a distinguished road
Thumbs up Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sh50
This portion is from stockcharts:-

J. Welles Wilder developed the Average Directional Index (ADX) in order to evaluate the strength of the current trend, be it up or down. It's important to detemine whether the market is trending or trading (moving sideways), because certain indicators ......
AWESOME !!!!! this post. You know; I like both facets, the poet & the T/A in you. Pretty rare combo I should say. Usually Traders & T/As are boringly serious guys. You are a refreshing deviant from the norm sh50. Pat yourself on the back. You deserve it.


Last edited by jaideep : 30th January 2005 at 12:42 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 30th January 2005, 04:00 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 40
viveanan is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

As per ADX what is your view over current up trend, is it strong or weak ?
Vivek

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30th January 2005, 07:51 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 742
sh50 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

The adx has slid and is horizontal for both nifty and sensex. On the nifty the value is 41 and sensex 37. Nifty closed on 27/1 at around 1955 and on 28/1 at 2008.30. The experts were of the view that above 1950-60, nifty would be bullish. In both the charts the macd also looks as if it is going to crossover. So the signs look good for onset of new rally. If one wants to be cautious one can wait till macd does the central line crossover. (I have mentioned MACD because when the market is trending one has to look at trending indicators)

ADX around 45 is supposed to be mkt in a strong trend with consolidation expected anytime according to Mr Gujral. One should start booking profits if ADX tops or flattens out.

Since you asked my views, I have given them but I am far from a pro. Maybe some real pro would like to comment.


Jaideep,thanks for calling me a combo
You make me feel so proud that I feel like a jumbo
Unfortunately with TA, I always feel at limbo
If not a dumbo
Trading is like guerilla warfare, one has to be prepared like Rambo
Ignorance can prove as menacing as Mr India’s Mugambo
Half or incomplete knowledge can have a tsunami like effect near Colombo

Poets can get very interesting people so all that you said goes for you too(more so because my poetry is like prose in poetry). I like reading management, spiritual and philosophical books. That makes me kind of boring but I try to spice it up with our "versy versatility."


Last edited by sh50 : 31st January 2005 at 07:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 4th February 2005, 04:45 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 771
amarnath is on a distinguished road
Wink Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sh50
This portion is from stockcharts:-

J. Welles Wilder developed the Average Directional Index (ADX) in order to evaluate the strength of the current trend, be it up or down. It's important to detemine whether the market is trending or trading (moving sideways), because certain indicators give more useful results depending on the market doing one or the other.
ADX is an oscillator that fluctuates between 0 and 100. Even though the scale is from 0 to 100, readings above 60 are relatively rare. Low readings, below 20, indicate a weak trend and high readings, above 40, indicate a strong trend. The indicator does not grade the trend as bullish or bearish, but merely assesses the strength of the current trend. A reading above 40 can indicate a strong downtrend as well as a strong uptrend.
ADX can also be used to identify potential changes in a market from trending to non-trending. When ADX begins to strengthen from below 20 and/or moves above 20, it is a sign that the trading range is ending and a trend could be developing

ADX is derived from two other indicators, also developed by Wilder, called the Positive Directional Indicator (sometimes written +DI) and the Negative Directional Indicator (-DI).
When the ADX Indicator is selected, SharpCharts plots the Positive Directional Indicator (+DI), Negative Directional Indicator (-DI) and Average Directional Index (ADX). With the Red, White and Green color scheme on SharpCharts, ADX is the thick black line with less fluctuation, +DI is green and -DI is red. +DI measures the force of the up moves and -DI measures the force of the down moves over a set period. The default setting is 14 periods, but users are encouraged to modify these settings according to their personal preferences.
In its most basic form, buy and sell signals can be generated by +DI/-DI crosses. A buy signal occurs when +DI moves above -DI and a sell signal when -DI moves above the +DI. Be careful, though; when a security is in a trading range, this system may produce many whipsaws. As with most technical indicators, +DI/-DI crosses should be used in conjunction with other aspects of technical analysis.
ADX combines +DI with -DI and then smooths the data with a moving average to provide a measurement of trend strength. Because it uses both +DI and -DI, ADX does not offer any indication of trend direction, just strength. Generally, readings above 40 indicate a strong trend and readings below 20 a weak trend. To catch a trend in its early stages, you might look for stocks with ADX that advances above 20. Conversely, an ADX decline from above 40 might signal that the current trend is weakening and a trading range may develop.

In my view, ADX is well explained in Alexander Elder’s book “Trading for a living”

The latest book by Ashwini Gujral("How to make money trading derivatives) also has a comprehensive table on what all to do when ADX < 20, ADX 15-25,ADX > 30, ADX>=45 and ADX declining below 30. I have not seen Adx explained so specifically anywhere else.
This is also interesting by some other author

The Extreme Point Rule
Identify a trigger point at the extreme price on the bar the lines cross. If it's a bullish crossing (+DI cross above -DI), you would wait for the price to rise above this extreme price (the high price on the day the lines crossed) on a subsequent bar. If it's a bearish crossing (+DI crosses below -DI), the extreme point is defined as the low price on the bar the lines cross. You would then wait for price to break below this extreme price on a subsequent bar before entering into a short position.

Since trending and oscilatting is all what we track, I would request traderji or other senior member to cover indicators like Aroon, CMO, CCI etcetc. Some books give the impression that they are mere substitutes. If they are for specific situations, kindly let us know.


Multi collinearity indicators doesnt improve one's trading strategy /system
And funcky indicators doesn't mean they are more prefect to trader tool . Simply there is no holy grail

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 4th February 2005, 05:00 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 742
sh50 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

I did not post this to discover a holy grail. In one ot the articles on www.stockcharts.com, it is given that one should ideally have an oscillator(RSI, stochastics, CCI), a trend indicator(MACD, Moving average,ADx), a relative strength comparative and a volume based indicator.

I was just wandering whether CCI and CMO are mere substitutes since they are not generally mentioned in TA books.

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 4th February 2005, 06:09 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 771
amarnath is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Hi Sh50,

Don't get me wrong at this point . Actually i refered to Multi collinearity Indicators like using Stoc , Rsi , stocrsi , cci doesnt help to make a trading strategy better .

I mean using two OB/OS ind does not improve a system /strategy like rsi and stoc or cci .

Ok we will discuss this issue later as market now waiting for a big event < Non farm pay roll and Alan green span speech >

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 7th January 2007, 01:44 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 70
wcnw is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Are there any other indicators to find whether market is trending or trading. ADX is mentioned in "How to make Money Trading Derivatives" by Ashwani Gujral

However, I do not see ADX on http://charting.bseindia.com/charting/help/page11.asp

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 8th January 2007, 12:36 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 59
ash.investor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

IMHO, ADX is a lagging indicator and indicates the trend quite late.
Consider the below Buy and Sell Signals-
(a) Buy Signal: +DI/-DI crossover +DI moving upward and rising ADX > 20
(b) Sell Signal: +DI/-DI crossover -DI moving upward.

But most of the time I find that when + DI crosses -DI and but ADX is either declining or ADX is below 20. This makes it difficult to develop a Mechanical Trading System based on ADX.

I have trading system consisting of Movinf Average Crossover, MACD and CMO but I am in search of an trend indicator that gives early indication in sync with my other indicators.

Expert Traders please advise.

Regards,
a$h.investor

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 8th January 2007, 02:48 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,240
kkseal is on a distinguished road
Default Re: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ash.investor View Post
IMHO, ADX is a lagging indicator and indicates the trend quite late.
Consider the below Buy and Sell Signals-
(a) Buy Signal: +DI/-DI crossover +DI moving upward and rising ADX > 20
(b) Sell Signal: +DI/-DI crossover -DI moving upward.

But most of the time I find that when + DI crosses -DI and but ADX is either declining or ADX is below 20. This makes it difficult to develop a Mechanical Trading System based on ADX.

I have trading system consisting of Movinf Average Crossover, MACD and CMO but I am in search of an trend indicator that gives early indication in sync with my other indicators.

Expert Traders please advise.

Regards,
a$h.investor
Yes it's too damn lagging.

A better way to use it would be to use a pair - one for the short term & another one for the longer term, like say a 10d & a 30d ADX. So if the short term ADX is below 30 while the longer term is above it (with off course +DI above -DI), what we get is a short term pullback in a longer term uptrend that is still intact and may actually be a buying opportunity. Another way would be to have one on the weekly & another one on the daily and enter on pullbacks on the daily while the weekly trend is still intact.

Alexander Elder has also devised an interesting indicator called the FORCE INDEX. This one factors in both price & vol movements & can be pretty useful particularly for short term trading; but many TA s/w's do not have this indicator.

Regards,
Kalyan.

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links


Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads for: The ADX(Average Directional movement index)
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rules and Guidelines for Elliott wave CreditViolet Technical Analysis 42 27th April 2008 09:08 AM
Data for Arms Index sbn021 Software 7 14th April 2005 02:52 PM
Relative Strength Index (RSI) MasterTrader Technical Analysis 0 5th March 2005 10:45 AM
Sensitivity index for stock selection sh50 Technical Analysis 0 29th September 2004 02:11 PM



All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 10:00 PM.

Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice:
• By visiting Traderji.com you indicate your acceptance of our Forum Rules Disclaimer & Disclosure and indemnify Traderji.com, its associates and related parties of all claims howsoever resulting from the usage of the forum.
Disclaimer: Trading or investing in stocks & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility. Traderji.com will not be liable for any, direct or indirect, consequential or incidental damages or loss arising out of the use of this information.
Disclosure: The information in this forum is neither an offer to sell nor solicitation to buy any of the securities mentioned herein. The writers may or may not be trading in the securities mentioned.
• All names or products mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
General Content Disclaimer Notice:
In light of our policy of encouraging candid, open exchanges of views and the rapid distribution of information originating from many sources, Traderji.com cannot determine the accuracy of information that may be uploaded to the forum. Opinions, advice and all other information expressed by participants in discussions are those of the author. You rely on such information at your own risk. You are urged to seek professional advice for specific, individual situations and not rely solely on advice or opinions given in the discussions. Since Traderji.com is an open and free discussion forum, any comments made by members of this forum in their posts reflect their own views and not of the owner or administrator of Traderji.com. Thus the owner/administrator indemnify themselves of all claims whatsoever and will not be liable or responsible for any members comments/views in this forum Traderji.com. If you find any objectionable or offensive posts made by members of this forum which you would like to bring to our notice for removal then please Contact Us.
 


Copyright © 2001 - 2008, Traderji.com All Rights Reserved.

Recommended Websites - www.TradersEdgeIndia.com - www.TradingPicks.com - www.HiFiVision.com - www.MasterOfTrading.com - www.NotebookTalk.com