Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex

KISS like McGrath

Discuss KISS like McGrath at the Technical Analysis within the Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex; Dear darsh, eagerly waiting.... all the best Originally Posted by darsh_goswami Will post conditions for ...


Go Back   Traderji.com - Discussion forum for Stocks Commodities & Forex > METHODS & STRATEGIES > Technical Analysis

Notices

Technical Analysis Discussion of all the principles involved in technical analysis.


Advertise Here

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Sponsored Links
  #421  
Old 19th July 2008, 10:48 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mangalore/bangalore
Posts: 612
Thanks: 775
Thanked 134 Times in 84 Posts
learn2trade08 will become famous soon enoughlearn2trade08 will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 144
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Dear darsh,
eagerly waiting....
all the best

Quote:
Originally Posted by darsh_goswami View Post
Will post conditions for ABCD Setups tomorrow.

Darsh
Reply With Quote
  #422  
Old 19th July 2008, 12:18 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gujarat
Posts: 590
Thanks: 14
Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts
darsh_goswami will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 84
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

AB=CD Pattern – Keeping it Simple
By Larry Pesavento

History of the AB=CD Pattern

In 1935 a book was published for sale to investors at an incredible price of $1500. That book was Profits in the Stock Market by H.M. Gartley. On page 249 Gartley describes a chart pattern, “Practical Use of Trend Lines,” which we now call the AB=CD Pattern.

Gartley’s description of the AB=CD pattern illustrated how the market would rally in an uptrend and then retrace. It would then rally to another uptrend then make another retracement forming an up sloping parallel channel. It was from this description that the AB=CD pattern achieved its nickname as the “Lightning Bolt”.



Gartley spent several pages referring to these trend lines and parallel lines as excellent signals when used in conjunction with other working tools. He also applied these lines to price ratios. He used mainly ratios of one third and half retracements.

AB=CD Pattern Structure


The AB=CD pattern is found in all markets and on all time frames. The pattern is a measured move where the second leg is “equal” to the first leg. It should be noted that the C-D leg can extend and will not always be exactly “equal.”



There are three legs that form this pattern. The first leg of the pattern is labeled A-B. After the completion of the first leg, retracement or correction will occur that will usually find support or resistance at one of these Fibonacci levels; .382, .50, .618 or .786. This correction or retracement is labeled BC and is the second leg of the pattern. (Note: Strongly trending markets will usually see only a retracement to the .382.)

Once price resumes in the same direction of the A-B leg the C-D leg then begins to form. Once we identify the CD leg forming we can project the potential pattern completion and form a trading strategy. As the CD leg forms and completes we will monitor the final leg for any warning signs that would alert us to a change in market conditions that may signal us to possibly pass on the trade or wait for further confirmation before entering the trade. Warning signs would include:

• Wide range bars

• Gaps near completion in the CD leg

• Tail closes in opposite direction of trade

When studying this pattern it is important to know what invalidates the pattern. Here are three items that would invalidate the AB=CD pattern:

1. C cannot exceed A. Meaning the retracement of AB cannot exceed 1.00

2. C can be a 1.00 retracement of the AB leg, this is a rare pattern and a double top or bottom, but it is a valid pattern.

3. D must exceed B in order for the pattern to complete at D and be a valid AB=CD.



Important Characteristics of the AB=CD Pattern
The AB=CD pattern will be perfectly symmetrical, meaning AB equals CD about 40% of the time. The other 60% of the time variations of the pattern will be present. What this means is that after the AB leg is formed and the retracement leg, BC, has completed, the CD leg will be entirely different than the AB leg. The two legs may or may not be perfectly symmetrical.

Some of the ways the CD leg can vary from the AB leg are:

• CD leg is an extension of AB of anywhere from 1.27 to 2.00 or greater.

• CD leg has a slope or angle steeper or wider than AB. (See Figure 4)



At first glance this would make the trader think the pattern is not tradable. The key lies in identifying the BC leg. The most important thing is to watch the price action coming after point C has formed. The C leg determines the relationship to the AB leg.

Variations

These C leg phenomena can be described in 3 ways:

• First; if after point C has occurred and a gap exists in the direction of point D, this will usually indicate that the CD leg will be much greater than the AB leg. It indicates a 1.27 or 1.618 of AB).

• Second; a wide range bar (twice normal size) at point C is also another indication that the CD leg is going to be extended.

• Third; ideally AB=CD moves are symmetrical in price and time. For example; if the AB leg is 6 bars up then the CD leg will be 6 bars up. (See Figure 5)

FIGURE 5

This next sentence is very important, if the CD leg is made in just a few bars that will strongly indicate that the CD leg is going to be an expansion of the AB leg. You can imagine as an example of this thrust principle – if you had 2 Ferrari automobiles on the racetrack, one with diesel fuel the other with high tech gasoline, it would be easy to understand the high tech gasoline powered Ferrari getting to the finish line first. Watch the C leg, because if it starts fast, that is the faster Ferrari going further, faster.

Slope and Time Frames
The slope or time frame of the BC move can also be helpful in determining the pattern. BC legs usually will correct to one of the ratios; .382, .50, .618 or .786. The slope of this BC leg is usually a good indication of what the next CD leg will be. For example; assume that the AB leg was 15 trading bars to point B and now the BC leg has taken 8 bars and has only retraced .382% of the AB leg. This is a sign of the market absorbing a lot of selling at a high price, it is a shallow retracement and was not able to retrace to .50, .618 or .786%. (See Figure 4) We would assume that prices would go much higher and possibly quite rapidly once the selling slows. However, if the market retraces to a .618 or .786 retracement, the CD will most probably be a normal move equaling AB=CD. (See Figure 3)

To figure the extension of the CD leg use the difference of the AB leg and multiply by 1.27 or 1.618 then add that figure to the high of low of C. The example in Figure 4 would be figured like this:

(A = 1256 - B = 1274 = 18 points)
18 x 1.618 in this chart example = 22.86
add this to C: 1266.25 + 22.86 = 1285.37
which is the projection price at D for the 1.618 extension.

If figuring the 1.27 or other extension numbers simply use that number in place of the 1.618.

Time Bars in the AB=CD pattern will usually be a range from 5 to 8 bars. When the CD leg is extending beyond 8 bars in an up or down move the probability is for a price extension where CD will be 1.27 or 1.618 of the AB swing. (See Figure 5)

The reader should keep in mind that these patterns are only probabilities, they are not certainties and trying to use these patterns without a solid understanding of them, and a sound money management strategy is equivalent to trading suicide.

CHEERS,..

DARSH
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to darsh_goswami For This Useful Post:
Tapaswi.S (12th August 2008)
  #423  
Old 19th July 2008, 05:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mangalore/bangalore
Posts: 612
Thanks: 775
Thanked 134 Times in 84 Posts
learn2trade08 will become famous soon enoughlearn2trade08 will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 144
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

dear darsh,
Thanks a lot for posting...also,is there any specific approach for stop loss..Plz find the attached chart,i have a feeling this can be treated as ex for ab=cd...plz confirm the same
thanks in advance
P.S:the attached chart that of reliance on hourly


Quote:
Originally Posted by darsh_goswami View Post
AB=CD Pattern – Keeping it Simple
By Larry Pesavento

History of the AB=CD Pattern

In 1935 a book was published for sale to investors at an incredible price of $1500. That book was Profits in the Stock Market by H.M. Gartley. On page 249 Gartley describes a chart pattern, “Practical Use of Trend Lines,” which we now call the AB=CD Pattern.

Gartley’s description of the AB=CD pattern illustrated how the market would rally in an uptrend and then retrace. It would then rally to another uptrend then make another retracement forming an up sloping parallel channel. It was from this description that the AB=CD pattern achieved its nickname as the “Lightning Bolt”.



Gartley spent several pages referring to these trend lines and parallel lines as excellent signals when used in conjunction with other working tools. He also applied these lines to price ratios. He used mainly ratios of one third and half retracements.

AB=CD Pattern Structure


The AB=CD pattern is found in all markets and on all time frames. The pattern is a measured move where the second leg is “equal” to the first leg. It should be noted that the C-D leg can extend and will not always be exactly “equal.”



There are three legs that form this pattern. The first leg of the pattern is labeled A-B. After the completion of the first leg, retracement or correction will occur that will usually find support or resistance at one of these Fibonacci levels; .382, .50, .618 or .786. This correction or retracement is labeled BC and is the second leg of the pattern. (Note: Strongly trending markets will usually see only a retracement to the .382.)

Once price resumes in the same direction of the A-B leg the C-D leg then begins to form. Once we identify the CD leg forming we can project the potential pattern completion and form a trading strategy. As the CD leg forms and completes we will monitor the final leg for any warning signs that would alert us to a change in market conditions that may signal us to possibly pass on the trade or wait for further confirmation before entering the trade. Warning signs would include:

• Wide range bars

• Gaps near completion in the CD leg

• Tail closes in opposite direction of trade

When studying this pattern it is important to know what invalidates the pattern. Here are three items that would invalidate the AB=CD pattern:

1. C cannot exceed A. Meaning the retracement of AB cannot exceed 1.00

2. C can be a 1.00 retracement of the AB leg, this is a rare pattern and a double top or bottom, but it is a valid pattern.

3. D must exceed B in order for the pattern to complete at D and be a valid AB=CD.



Important Characteristics of the AB=CD Pattern
The AB=CD pattern will be perfectly symmetrical, meaning AB equals CD about 40% of the time. The other 60% of the time variations of the pattern will be present. What this means is that after the AB leg is formed and the retracement leg, BC, has completed, the CD leg will be entirely different than the AB leg. The two legs may or may not be perfectly symmetrical.

Some of the ways the CD leg can vary from the AB leg are:

• CD leg is an extension of AB of anywhere from 1.27 to 2.00 or greater.

• CD leg has a slope or angle steeper or wider than AB. (See Figure 4)



At first glance this would make the trader think the pattern is not tradable. The key lies in identifying the BC leg. The most important thing is to watch the price action coming after point C has formed. The C leg determines the relationship to the AB leg.

Variations

These C leg phenomena can be described in 3 ways:

• First; if after point C has occurred and a gap exists in the direction of point D, this will usually indicate that the CD leg will be much greater than the AB leg. It indicates a 1.27 or 1.618 of AB).

• Second; a wide range bar (twice normal size) at point C is also another indication that the CD leg is going to be extended.

• Third; ideally AB=CD moves are symmetrical in price and time. For example; if the AB leg is 6 bars up then the CD leg will be 6 bars up. (See Figure 5)

FIGURE 5

This next sentence is very important, if the CD leg is made in just a few bars that will strongly indicate that the CD leg is going to be an expansion of the AB leg. You can imagine as an example of this thrust principle – if you had 2 Ferrari automobiles on the racetrack, one with diesel fuel the other with high tech gasoline, it would be easy to understand the high tech gasoline powered Ferrari getting to the finish line first. Watch the C leg, because if it starts fast, that is the faster Ferrari going further, faster.

Slope and Time Frames
The slope or time frame of the BC move can also be helpful in determining the pattern. BC legs usually will correct to one of the ratios; .382, .50, .618 or .786. The slope of this BC leg is usually a good indication of what the next CD leg will be. For example; assume that the AB leg was 15 trading bars to point B and now the BC leg has taken 8 bars and has only retraced .382% of the AB leg. This is a sign of the market absorbing a lot of selling at a high price, it is a shallow retracement and was not able to retrace to .50, .618 or .786%. (See Figure 4) We would assume that prices would go much higher and possibly quite rapidly once the selling slows. However, if the market retraces to a .618 or .786 retracement, the CD will most probably be a normal move equaling AB=CD. (See Figure 3)

To figure the extension of the CD leg use the difference of the AB leg and multiply by 1.27 or 1.618 then add that figure to the high of low of C. The example in Figure 4 would be figured like this:

(A = 1256 - B = 1274 = 18 points)
18 x 1.618 in this chart example = 22.86
add this to C: 1266.25 + 22.86 = 1285.37
which is the projection price at D for the 1.618 extension.

If figuring the 1.27 or other extension numbers simply use that number in place of the 1.618.

Time Bars in the AB=CD pattern will usually be a range from 5 to 8 bars. When the CD leg is extending beyond 8 bars in an up or down move the probability is for a price extension where CD will be 1.27 or 1.618 of the AB swing. (See Figure 5)

The reader should keep in mind that these patterns are only probabilities, they are not certainties and trying to use these patterns without a solid understanding of them, and a sound money management strategy is equivalent to trading suicide.

CHEERS,..

DARSH

Last edited by learn2trade08; 14th August 2008 at 11:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #424  
Old 21st July 2008, 03:53 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gujarat
Posts: 590
Thanks: 14
Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts
darsh_goswami will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 84
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Quote:
Originally Posted by learn2trade08 View Post
dear darsh,
Thanks a lot for posting...also,is there any specific approach for stop loss..Plz find the attached chart,i have a feeling this can be treated as ex for ab=cd...plz confirm the same
thanks in advance
P.S:the attached chart that of reliance on hourly
Dear Learn2Trade,..

Yes , stop can be below D point. so as theorotiacally entry point is D too. Well , while trading in volatile market , u must need to wait for the higher pivot to enter the long and vice versa for short side. One can use some stoploss indicators for it, but i would prefer to take positions only when u find complete sign of reversal. Use candlesticks to find reversals.

Next about ur chart on Reliance industry. , if u can notice the point C should be either 50%,61.8% or maximum upto 78.6%. But it seems very high then that, yeah, it doesnt mean that reliance dont have any chance of reversal. Coz in normal way to ,.. here is another way to utilize fibonacci ratios to improve ur trading technique.

NOW , HERE IF U SEE CD WAVE IS ABIT HIGHER, SO THE POTENTIAL REVERSAL ZONE FOR RELIANCE COULD BE , 127% TO 161.8% EXTENTION OF WAVE CD. If price is hovering around such levels , one can think its temporary bottom.

This is something what i have noticed in all these years of my experience in reading the charts. I'm not an indicator trader, i just trade patterns. But there are so many people over here who might have developped some indicators to bottom fish the market. U can use their logic along with patterns and benifite( as i m dumb in indicators , i cant use them ,or in otherwords i m biased to patterns.)

Thanx , hope it will be helpful.

Regards,..
Darsh
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to darsh_goswami For This Useful Post:
learn2trade08 (14th August 2008)
  #425  
Old 25th July 2008, 05:48 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gujarat
Posts: 590
Thanks: 14
Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts
darsh_goswami will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 84
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Here is the update for Canara bank future ,..!! hitting 2 targets in just 4 session.



Darsh
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to darsh_goswami For This Useful Post:
learn2trade08 (14th August 2008)
  #426  
Old 12th August 2008, 07:09 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 114
Thanks: 4
Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts
robin_malihan is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 36
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

wolfe wave target achived for GOLD .

Many methods must have given that price of gold is likelly to fall but wolfe wave give entry right at the top for the new trend of price action and what else can be done use saints method to maximize your profit .






Robin.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to robin_malihan For This Useful Post:
darsh_goswami (13th August 2008), learn2trade08 (12th August 2008), Tapaswi.S (12th August 2008)
  #427  
Old 12th August 2008, 10:56 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 66
Thanks: 76
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Tapaswi.S is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 11
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Great Going Robin, Keep it up

Tapaswi.S
Reply With Quote
  #428  
Old 13th August 2008, 12:57 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Gujarat
Posts: 590
Thanks: 14
Thanked 40 Times in 30 Posts
darsh_goswami will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 84
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Waiting for some more wolves from u @ Robin ,..!!

Good job ,.. keep it up..

Regards,.
Darsh
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to darsh_goswami For This Useful Post:
learn2trade08 (14th August 2008)
  #429  
Old 13th August 2008, 09:47 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 114
Thanks: 4
Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts
robin_malihan is on a distinguished road
Reputation: 36
Default Re: KISS like McGrath

Here is another bearish wolfe wave for my frnd traders , though target seems to be irrational but u never know with wolfe wave it can be achived just like that

hope everyone will make most out of this INDUSIND BANK.







Robin
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to robin_malihan For This Useful Post:
avijit_das (14th August 2008), learn2trade08 (14th August 2008)
  #430  
Old 14th August 2008, 01:04 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: mangalore/bangalore
Posts: 612
Thanks: 775
Thanked 134 Times in 84 Posts
learn2trade08 will become famous soon enoughlearn2trade08 will become famous soon enough
Reputation: 144
Smile Re: KISS like McGrath

dear robin,darsh.
please take a look at crompton greaves,i cant figure out if its bullish or bearish,charts are very tricky(atleast for me),but there is a certain wolfe...Your views will be sincerely appreciated.
thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by robin_malihan View Post
Here is another bearish wolfe wave for my frnd traders , though target seems to be irrational but u never know with wolfe wave it can be achived just like that

hope everyone will make most out of this INDUSIND BANK.







Robin
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Reply

Bookmarks


Advertise Here


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 02:11 PM.

Indemnity, Disclaimer & Disclosure Notice:
• By visiting Traderji.com you indicate your acceptance of our Forum Rules Disclaimer & Disclosure and indemnify Traderji.com, its associates and related parties of all claims howsoever resulting from the usage of the forum.
Disclaimer: Trading or investing in stocks & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility. Traderji.com will not be liable for any, direct or indirect, consequential or incidental damages or loss arising out of the use of this information.
Disclosure: The information in this forum is neither an offer to sell nor solicitation to buy any of the securities mentioned herein. The writers may or may not be trading in the securities mentioned.
• All names or products mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
General Content Disclaimer Notice:
In light of our policy of encouraging candid, open exchanges of views and the rapid distribution of information originating from many sources, Traderji.com cannot determine the accuracy of information that may be uploaded to the forum. Opinions, advice and all other information expressed by participants in discussions are those of the author. You rely on such information at your own risk. You are urged to seek professional advice for specific, individual situations and not rely solely on advice or opinions given in the discussions. Since Traderji.com is an open and free discussion forum, any comments made by members of this forum in their posts reflect their own views and not of the owner or administrator of Traderji.com. Thus the owner/administrator indemnify themselves of all claims whatsoever and will not be liable or responsible for any members comments/views in this forum Traderji.com. If you find any objectionable or offensive posts made by members of this forum which you would like to bring to our notice for removal then please Contact Us.
 


Copyright © 2001 - 2008, Traderji.com All Rights Reserved.

Recommended Websites - www.TradersEdgeIndia.com - www.TradingPicks.com - www.MasterOfTrading.com