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During the day I had been referring to 'phases of a breakout' for the various scrips. I am bringing up a piece I had posted recently, in case it has been missed by any one as explanation:
Breakouts almost always occur at points of discord and divergence: levels of support and resistance. On either side of these levels, a lot of price action is generated, but no one is quite sure just how much force is required to carry price into a sustainable trend. Any position one takes near a breakout level comes with a fair deal of risk, regardless of how perfect a pattern may appear.
Price action responds in different ways to a breakout. First, it may carry through successfully to higher levels. Second, it may generate whipsaws (volatile and choppy price swings through support or resistance levels), resulting in losses on both sides of the market. Third, it may trap buyers in a false move and start a trend in the opposite direction.
It is believed by some technical analysts that a successful breakout occurs in three phases.
It begins when price breaks through resistance on increased volume. This is called the Action Phase. Price increases by a few points, and then reverses as soon as buying interest fades.
From here begins the Reaction Phase. The market will sell off, and propagate the first pullback, where fresh buyers see a chance to get in close to the breakout price. If everything goes well, a second rally kicks in and raises the price above the initial breakout high.
This marks the Resolution Phase where the price creates new highs.
For the three phases of a breakout to succeed, much depends on certain volume action:
Aptly written.. some examples which i observed..

Dlink after months of consolidation gave a breakout at 128 levels went till 156 levels with avg of 8 lakh volumes.. - action Phase
then there was a pull back to 146 levels at volumes close to 1lakh - ReactionPhase
then the final resolution phase with huge volumes of 20 lakhs is taking it upto 170+ levels..

Excellent post Amit, These "Gyan" sessions help us understand the logic behind the game.. I feel we juniors should concentrate more on learning the tricks than going only after tips..

Also from ur article.. i was guessing how to calculate the support levels..
Pls. correct me if i am wrong..
In the reaction Phase, if the price drops from the levels of the breakout price.. we should quit the trade... effectively making the point of the breakout a stopLoss.. or does it become a support ?( then where do we put the S/L?)

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Hi Amit Nice explanation of the breakout's.
Keeping all these points in mind how many points you will give to the breakout that occured in Ajant pharm on 1st sep. After that it pulled back on low volumes. Today was it's first up(not a big one) after the pullback.
Can it be entered here???regards Neeraj
Hi Neeraj...the significant breakout in Ajanta Pharma in recent times happened in end April where it took off at 56 to 81 (86 intraday high) in a short time, followed by another spurt from 72 to 96 soon after. Following a double top at 96 levels around mid June, slipped to 86 a few days later, then up again to 96, and down again to 86 in July where a double bottom happened (at 86).
It's in an intermidiate uptrend for now and having reacted at 108 early this month, dipped to 96 (support now as against resistance earlier) and has bounced back up to 97 off today.
There is no direct relationship to a breakout currently, and I walked it through the past few months to point out the importance of certain key levels, an awareness of which is so vital to trading.
Regards.
PS Sorry missed part of your query...104 then 108 stand in the way for now for an upstde from current levels.

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REI Agro is making a new breakout after several months of consolidation.
High Tech Gears can be a dark horse. 185 can be sticky so a little caution here.
REI is good and will make steady gains.
Good spurts in UCAL and Cen Enka are possible.
UCAL Fuel Systems CMP 270.75
CENTURY ENKA CMP 249.05
REI Agro Ltd CMP 188.60
High Tech Gears CMP 173.55

From the above calls this morning, REI closed 196.75, intra high 200.
CenEnka ended 254.90 intra high 258.
UCAL ended 279.95, intra high 282.
High Tech ended 182, intraday high 185.

During the day I had been referring to 'phases of a breakout' for the various scrips. I am bringing up a piece I had posted recently, in case it has been missed by any one as explanation:
Breakouts almost always occur at points of discord and divergence: levels of support and resistance. On either side of these levels, a lot of price action is generated, but no one is quite sure just how much force is required to carry price into a sustainable trend. Any position one takes near a breakout level comes with a fair deal of risk, regardless of how perfect a pattern may appear.
Price action responds in different ways to a breakout. First, it may carry through successfully to higher levels. Second, it may generate whipsaws (volatile and choppy price swings through support or resistance levels), resulting in losses on both sides of the market. Third, it may trap buyers in a false move and start a trend in the opposite direction.
It is believed by some technical analysts that a successful breakout occurs in three phases.
It begins when price breaks through resistance on increased volume. This is called the Action Phase. Price increases by a few points, and then reverses as soon as buying interest fades.
From here begins the Reaction Phase. The market will sell off, and propagate the first pullback, where fresh buyers see a chance to get in close to the breakout price. If everything goes well, a second rally kicks in and raises the price above the initial breakout high.
This marks the Resolution Phase where the price creates new highs.
For the three phases of a breakout to succeed, much depends on certain volume action:
Demand must exceed supply during the initial breakout. Volume should drop sharply during the pullback of the Reaction Phase. And finally, fresh buyers should come in to successfully trigger the Resolution Phase.

A false breakouts occurs when these forces fall out of balance.
Whipsaws will prevail when a breakout can't generate an efficient reaction phase. This failure need not necessarily trigger any major reversal, though the pullback will purge out weak hands and push the price back into resistance.

If there is a good number of buyers in the scrip throughout the choppy price action, they will repeatedly support the price, and as soon as the whipsaw fades out, the price stablises resulting in a loss of volatility.
A voluminous sideways movement in a tight price-band will then come into play, which itself acts as a trigger for a buy signal for the experienced traders. This would then start a bounce up in price to carry it beyond the last high.

Mainly then, once the first lot of buyers enter at the initial breakout point, much depends on the behaviour of the successive hoards of buyers.
A false breakout occurs when this second crowd fails to appear for any reason, whether it’s a failure to spot the breakout, or a disagreement with the price pattern. Without the support of fresh buyers, the scrip gets stranded in an overbought zone and falls from its own weight.
To extend this further, every new low will trigger s/l points, building momentum to the down, drawing with it new short-sell traders as more key supports are broken. Here a sharp reversal is now under way.
Hi Amit,

Thanks for that education.........always look forward to these pearls of wisdom in your posts and Saint's.Thank you so much.......was a super explanation!!

Regds,
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Hi Neeraj...the significant breakout in Ajanta Pharma in recent times happened in end April where it took off at 56 to 81 (86 intraday high) in a short time, followed by another spurt from 72 to 96 soon after. Following a double top at 96 levels around mid June, slipped to 86 a few days later, then up again to 96, and down again to 86 in July where a double bottom happened (at 86).
It's in an intermidiate uptrend for now and having reacted at 108 early this month, dipped to 96 (support now as against resistance earlier) and has bounced back up to 97 off today.
There is no direct relationship to a breakout currently, and I walked it through the past few months to point out the importance of certain key levels, an awareness of which is so vital to trading.
Regards.
Thanx Amit for explaining the things. It's really great to have seniors like you to guide us.

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Hi Amit, Thanks for that education.........always look forward to these pearls of wisdom in your posts and Saint's.Thank you so much.......was a super explanation!! Regds, Avinash
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Thanx Amit for explaining the things. It's really great to have seniors like you to guide us. regards Neeraj
Thanks Avinash and Neeraj...my one big desire is to see all of you taking on the lead in this great forum...sooner than later.
Looking forward to it!
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Aptly written.. some examples which i observed..
Dlink after months of consolidation gave a breakout at 128 levels went till 156 levels with avg of 8 lakh volumes.. - action Phase
then there was a pull back to 146 levels at volumes close to 1lakh - ReactionPhase
then the final resolution phase with huge volumes of 20 lakhs is taking it upto 170+ levels..
Excellent post Amit, These "Gyan" sessions help us understand the logic behind the game.. I feel we juniors should concentrate more on learning the tricks than going only after tips..
Also from ur article.. i was guessing how to calculate the support levels..
Pls. correct me if i am wrong..
In the reaction Phase, if the price drops from the levels of the breakout price.. we should quit the trade... effectively making the point of the breakout a stopLoss.. or does it become a support ?( then where do we put the S/L?) Nagzu
Hi Nagzu..thanks for the kind words...now it's your turn to come in and take charge of things here soon!
When we speak of a breakout here, we are concerned with the dynamic processes that play out at the verge of the breakout itself.
In your example of D-Link, this action would have taken place at 128 where the consolidation and breakout occured. Later in the new uptrend, 142-145 are points of short term divergance, as there is a double bottom here. Similarly 155 too is a divergance level as twice there the price moved down, including forming a double top here. The current price action is the continuation of the intermediate uptrend that started at 128.
The point of the breakout is not necessarily a stop loss should the breakout seem to be failing. The previous weekly high or low would act as immediate supports in most conditions.
Also, a key level at times is not a singular exact point. It can often be a bit of an orb on either side of the point. Say, if 128 is a long term resistance, during critical price action this could stretch to 125-128-130.
Hope I was clear? Do comment.
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hey AMIT

do you have calls in F&O for tommorow.

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hi amit.. can u advise me on Petronet LNG. Does it have a good upside in medium term. Can I enter this stock now...
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Hi Amit

Talking about Breakout, Please allow me bring here a post of mine posted in the thread “breakout” after your illuminating post on the same subject. This is just to provide more examples on breakout phases you talked about


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Hi

After all the knowledge we have gained about BREAKOUT, It would be quite interesting to monitor some the recent breakout candidates and see it they turnout to real breakout or false breakouts. We will see in which phase of breakout these stock are presently.

1. Ajantha Pharma. It broke through the resistance of 98 with a volume 0f 300K (not really Impressive) on the 1st and closed at 104.8 next day. Then the Reaction phase started . The stock has dropped to 99.9. Volume has also dropped. It will be interesting to see whether it will drop through the support of 98 or it will go to the resolution phase.

2. Mahindra Ugine – Shotup nicely from 105 to 126 in two session breaking the earlier resistance of 120. Then reacted now at 119. False Breakout?...not yet..I think so...

3. KCP – Still in Action phase. Dropped a tad in between , don’t know if we can consider it as a reaction.

4.IVP – broke through the resistance 0f 66. But since then it dropped trough the support of 66. False breakout ??.... Looks like one...

5. Eicher – Gapped up nicely from 110 to 124. In the reaction phase. Let us see if it takes the historical support at 121

It would be interesting to see how theory relates to practice. I will try to post more/Better examples later. Your comments please..

Best regards

karthik
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1.Ajantha Pharma – Amit has thrown enough light on this.

2.Mahindra Ugine – Still in the reaction phase. After reacting to 116.250 (support) rose up marginally today. But the required rise in volumes was lacking.

3.KCP – In the reaction phase. Presently at the support level of 125. Rose a tad today. But again the volume was lacking

4.IVP – Reaction phase ? Dropped through the immediate support level of 66 and to the next support level of 61. Today it opened smartly at 66, but dropped to 62.7, 1.4 point above the previous close. Volume was also low.

5.Eicher-In the reaction phase – Today’s Low went below the previous support at 110. However closed at 122. Volume was very low.

It would be interesting to watch these in the coming days. Amit do comment on these if you get time.

reagrds

karthik
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